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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jul 3, 2019 9:19:02 GMT
Looks like a number of people on here have had their wish come true, asking for us to get rid of these 'poor' Brits. Now Lee, Farms and Gospel (2 of which were GB Internationals) have gone, lets see which better ones are available to replace them. The only Brit that most people wanted rid of was Lachowicz. Lee got a bad rap but the majority understood that Brit defencemen were very hard to come by. Losing Lee and Farmer makes me even angrier that we didn’t just scrap the lot bar Perlini. Seeing those two elsewhere and Lachowicz in a Panthers shirt really does rub salt in the wounds.
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Post by iginla on Jul 3, 2019 10:06:24 GMT
I’ll put my hand up to being one of those who have had the temerity to ‘slag off’ and want rid of our lame Brits. I will absolve the ‘young Brits’ from this scenario as they are finding their feet and starting out on the game we all love. What I do take exception to is highlighted in the previous posts about (for example) how they (Lacho, Lee et al) try for GB & not for the Panthers. They should be ashamed of themselves! 😡 As professional sportsmen (sic) they should ‘bust a gut’, ‘grow some’, ‘man up’ - whatever analogy you care to use and play for the shirt. I’m fully aware we need Brits (cos them’s the rules), but there are Brits out there (Long, Davies etc) who are/were available IF Panthers could/can be bothered to make them offers they can’t refuse. Why do we have to put up with the same gang of lame Brits year on year? Quite simply the last few years none of them (in my opinion) warrant keeping. Let the ‘new broom continue to sweep’ most (not enough) of last seasons deadwood have been shipped out (shame about Uni deals!), it (the on ice product) can’t get any worse.............can it? Spot on good post that. 👍
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Post by Bagheera on Jul 3, 2019 10:20:54 GMT
We’ve spent a long time pumping money into Brits paying them a premium to be here. Now, perhaps it’s time to put money in a higher class of imports, use the brits lower down the order and let Wallace and Doucet try something new. A very good point that I hadn't really thought of. We've long had too end Brits and played them on top 2 lines. Then spent some budget on lesser imports to play roles further down the lines. Speculation and common sense would leave you to believe the budget for the team is just that, for the entire team regardless of how it's made up. So yes, why not load the top 6 with quality imports and go with some hard working, less obvious, cheaper Brits. Of course id still like to see Farmer back, but not against a new approach if our hand id forced.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Jul 3, 2019 10:22:50 GMT
Shift of focus, let’s stack the top two line with quality imports and get in Brits who are blue collar players like Ollie. End of the day your paying for output and you can get much better output from a higher end import than you can from a British player.
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Post by iginla on Jul 3, 2019 10:38:36 GMT
Shift of focus, let’s stack the top two line with quality imports and get in Brits who are blue collar players like Ollie. End of the day your paying for output and you can get much better output from a higher end import than you can from a British player. Been saying this for years. Hopefully the likes of Wallace,Doucet and Fox at Sheffield will look at what these Brits are getting paid and say sod this I’m not wasting a big chunk of my budget on these guys. I bet they were shocked when they found out what the Brits are earning,certainly seems that way with Fox’s comment about Stevie Lee.....”when I found out the price that was the end of that” ! Lol
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Post by jd on Jul 3, 2019 10:40:22 GMT
Out of interest, if you could have any of the Brits, who would you go for?
I'd have:
Dowd O'Connor Bowns
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Post by jd on Jul 3, 2019 10:41:30 GMT
Shift of focus, let’s stack the top two line with quality imports and get in Brits who are blue collar players like Ollie. End of the day your paying for output and you can get much better output from a higher end import than you can from a British player. Been saying this for years. Hopefully the likes of Wallace,Doucet and Fox at Sheffield will look at what these Brits are getting paid and say sod this I’m not wasting a big chunk of my budget on these guys. I bet they were shocked when they found out what the Brits are earning,certainly seems that way with Fox’s comment about Stevie Lee.....”when I found out the price that was the end of that” ! Lol Cant imagine that the Brits the steelers have are on cheap money though?
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Post by bobness on Jul 3, 2019 10:55:38 GMT
Been saying this for years. Hopefully the likes of Wallace,Doucet and Fox at Sheffield will look at what these Brits are getting paid and say sod this I’m not wasting a big chunk of my budget on these guys. I bet they were shocked when they found out what the Brits are earning,certainly seems that way with Fox’s comment about Stevie Lee.....”when I found out the price that was the end of that” ! Lol Cant imagine that the Brits the steelers have are on cheap money though? I'd imagine Ben O'Connor is one of the best paid players in the league full stop.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jul 3, 2019 11:03:06 GMT
Got to say I agree and I think social media and forums such as this are part of the problem. Players get slagged off left right and centre - some players will take this “appreciation” into account when looking at others offers. It must do. But theres no smoke without fire. The amount of players who underperform for us is silly. Steve Lee is a great example, put him in a GB shirt and hes a different player. Im convinced theres a culture problem at the club. Its just too many players for it to just be them. 100% true in my opinion. The overall effort and quality of play that Lee, Lachowicz etc put in for team GB shows that there is a club problem for me. I think it is a simple culture thing. At team GB they went fully focused on making a name for themselves and pulling something (in short, they went to play). In Nottingham, it’s pub quiz night next week so forget about the result, just give the fans a wave at the end of the game and make sure tickets are sold for quiz night (again, in short, we’re ultimately ran by Brian Potter the GM). Even Farmer has taken a significant drop in his form/output recently. His first season was outstanding, but there was no incentive for him to stay at that level. Unfortunately then though, the fans pick up on lazy/lethargic performances (not just from Farmer) and slate the player - myself included, because he’s the underpreformer you see on the ice (the tip of the iceberg maybe).
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jul 3, 2019 11:06:10 GMT
If they are worth it, pay them. As it happens I do think Farmer was/is worth it. Some of the rest who are just there so that grinning, fidgeting "fans" can sit next to them at quiz nights, ship them on and replace them with Brits with effort and heart like OB and upgrade with FAR better imports at far less cost and get clapped off the ice every night by people other than the hero worshiping superfans.
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Post by wgray on Jul 3, 2019 11:20:17 GMT
We’ve always talked about the “culture of this club” and it’s toxicity. Maybe getting rid of everything about that and starting again is what we need. We can’t keep talking about wanting change, hate how the imports come here for a holiday etc and then act disappointed about that becoming reality. Our Brits drive that culture. They’re the ones in the dressing room who can tell them “this is my club, you come here and you’re not going to coast” Lacho, Perlini,Ollie and Tets have become the core now. And whilst to some, that might seem bad, maybe we need to put that on their shoulders now. Do or die. No more excuses. We’ve spent a long time pumping money into Brits paying them a premium to be here. Now, perhaps it’s time to put money in a higher class of imports, use the brits lower down the order and let Wallace and Doucet try something new. 100% agree. Ollie is a prime example of how you should play for our club and he should be a big part of making sure the team know this. We do still need to recruit some Brits to run four lines. Ideally now we try and sign Davies and Boxill, two hard working, bottom 6 forwards. If we only manage to sign one of them I’d play Kelsall on the fourth line. Kelsall will work hard and will want to prove a point. Considering we’ve still got 5 import forwards to sign, this must have been on the cards for a while with the Brits. I think we’re going to try and stack the top 6.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jul 3, 2019 11:26:09 GMT
We’ve always talked about the “culture of this club” and it’s toxicity. Maybe getting rid of everything about that and starting again is what we need. We can’t keep talking about wanting change, hate how the imports come here for a holiday etc and then act disappointed about that becoming reality. Our Brits drive that culture. They’re the ones in the dressing room who can tell them “this is my club, you come here and you’re not going to coast” Lacho, Perlini,Ollie and Tets have become the core now. And whilst to some, that might seem bad, maybe we need to put that on their shoulders now. Do or die. No more excuses. We’ve spent a long time pumping money into Brits paying them a premium to be here. Now, perhaps it’s time to put money in a higher class of imports, use the brits lower down the order and let Wallace and Doucet try something new. 100% agree. Ollie is a prime example of how you should play for our club and he should be a big part of making sure the team know this. We do still need to recruit some Brits to run four lines. Ideally now we try and sign Davies and Boxill, two hard working, bottom 6 forwards. If we only manage to sign one of them I’d play Kelsall on the fourth line. Kelsall will work hard and will want to prove a point. Considering we’ve still got 5 import forwards to sign, this must have been on the cards for a while with the Brits. I think we’re going to try and stack the top 6. I would be massively disappointed to sign Boxill unless it was as a cheap Brit 4th line grinder. Davis is incomparable to Boxill.
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Post by SteelerBlade on Jul 3, 2019 11:28:02 GMT
I'd take Farmer.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jul 3, 2019 11:44:53 GMT
I think just about every other team in the league would take him. On his day he is pretty much import quality and he is quite young too which is pretty rare.
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Post by iginla on Jul 3, 2019 12:17:21 GMT
Been saying this for years. Hopefully the likes of Wallace,Doucet and Fox at Sheffield will look at what these Brits are getting paid and say sod this I’m not wasting a big chunk of my budget on these guys. I bet they were shocked when they found out what the Brits are earning,certainly seems that way with Fox’s comment about Stevie Lee.....”when I found out the price that was the end of that” ! Lol Cant imagine that the Brits the steelers have are on cheap money though? Certainly O’Connor and Dowd aren’t,I was told by one of our Brits that they were making £1100 - £1200 a week each and that was two/three years ago. 😳 Fox probably can’t get rid yet though even if he wanted to because of multi year contracts. Next year or the following one might be a different story though.
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Post by cjones on Jul 3, 2019 12:18:32 GMT
I think just about every other team in the league would take him. On his day he is pretty much import quality and he is quite young too which is pretty rare. I’d take him Quick question regarding his fitness - I had a distinct feeling he wasn’t quite fully fit for the final few games at the Worlds? Seems to run out of energy quickly on his shifts?
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Post by iginla on Jul 3, 2019 12:18:48 GMT
Cant imagine that the Brits the steelers have are on cheap money though? I'd imagine Ben O'Connor is one of the best paid players in the league full stop. Undoubtedly so,bet he’s certainly in the top five. And Dowd close behind.
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Post by wgray on Jul 3, 2019 12:20:16 GMT
100% agree. Ollie is a prime example of how you should play for our club and he should be a big part of making sure the team know this. We do still need to recruit some Brits to run four lines. Ideally now we try and sign Davies and Boxill, two hard working, bottom 6 forwards. If we only manage to sign one of them I’d play Kelsall on the fourth line. Kelsall will work hard and will want to prove a point. Considering we’ve still got 5 import forwards to sign, this must have been on the cards for a while with the Brits. I think we’re going to try and stack the top 6. I would be massively disappointed to sign Boxill unless it was as a cheap Brit 4th line grinder. Davis is incomparable to Boxill. Thats exactly the role Boxill could play. A cheaper, 4th line centre to allow us to utilise money on the top 6. He filled that role pretty well for Belfast.
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Post by Higgy on Jul 3, 2019 12:29:43 GMT
I think just about every other team in the league would take him. On his day he is pretty much import quality and he is quite young too which is pretty rare. I’d take him Quick question regarding his fitness - I had a distinct feeling he wasn’t quite fully fit for the final few games at the Worlds? Seems to run out of energy quickly on his shifts? He got injured during the play offs so it actually surprised he made it to the worlds so probably wasnt 100%.
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Post by pantherlee on Jul 3, 2019 12:59:17 GMT
Now confirmed on Panthers twitter feed that he is looking to move abroad for this season. Although judging by that wording he may not have found a club yet
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Post by SteelerBlade on Jul 3, 2019 13:00:20 GMT
Now confirmed on Panthers twitter feed that he is looking to move abroad for this season. Although judging by that wording he may not have found a club yet Club don't sound too happy about it either.
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Post by pantherlee on Jul 3, 2019 13:01:30 GMT
Now confirmed on Panthers twitter feed that he is looking to move abroad for this season. Although judging by that wording he may not have found a club yet Club don't sound too happy about it either. Why do you say that?
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Post by SteelerBlade on Jul 3, 2019 13:02:45 GMT
Club don't sound too happy about it either. Why do you say that? Just the way they emphasise he is still under contract.
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Post by Bagheera on Jul 3, 2019 13:07:00 GMT
Just the way they emphasise he is still under contract. I agree. They usually add those bits in as a dig. That would at least lead me to believe even if he doesn't go abroad he cant sign in Elite League for another EIHL team. I know contracts mean little here but i'd imagine a multi year one has something extra about not going to another EIHL club.
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Post by pantherlee on Jul 3, 2019 13:13:05 GMT
I may be wrong but I read into it that if he doesn’t find a new club in abroad then he’s still under contact with us
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