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Post by loupowell52 on Jun 25, 2019 5:29:03 GMT
What are the thoughts of "Cagesters" on what Panthers should do or the coming season as far as goaltending is concerned ? Do we go with one import and a British backup with the huge risk if loss of firm or injuries strike, or opt for two imports and, if so, rotate them or select a clear number one. Netminding is the single most important position and can make r break a team's hopes. If you have two imports it is so hard to keep them happy if not playing regularly. If you have a Brit as your backup just what level of ability can you find and how much will they improve gathering splinters in their backside all year long. The ideal was like the "good old days" with Trevor Robins backed up by Mike Zanier but such a scenario is simply not feasible nowadays. Thoughts please.
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Post by bobness on Jun 25, 2019 6:25:35 GMT
You mean the "good old one season" that Robins was backed up by an import who, as we can see these days, would've been greeted by a chorus of disapproval if we signed similar today, going by his stats (not one club season recorded at an over 90% save percentage). Still in the EIHL, teams can put a huge load on a goalie for the season and do well. That chump Beskorowany (no good before he played in Edinburgh) and Bowns being the prime examples. It's a big gamble if they get injured or mentally drained though. The question ought to be, how do you keep a goalie like Besko "fresh". And I guess the answer is have him see way less rubber. My guess would be that Besko/Bowns faced way less shots per game than other goalies last year? I think senior/junior imports is the right way to go, assuming you have the Brit pack to do that. I thought last season's goalie tandem was almost the ideal. Experienced pro #1, hungry, younger #2, who eventually usurped the "#1". Young Scandinavian back-up?
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Post by iginla on Jun 25, 2019 8:42:30 GMT
What are the thoughts of "Cagesters" on what Panthers should do or the coming season as far as goaltending is concerned ? Do we go with one import and a British backup with the huge risk if loss of firm or injuries strike, or opt for two imports and, if so, rotate them or select a clear number one. Netminding is the single most important position and can make r break a team's hopes. If you have two imports it is so hard to keep them happy if not playing regularly. If you have a Brit as your backup just what level of ability can you find and how much will they improve gathering splinters in their backside all year long. The ideal was like the "good old days" with Trevor Robins backed up by Mike Zanier but such a scenario is simply not feasible nowadays. Thoughts please. Apart from not being able to play them both together because of import limits it’s oerfectly feasible to have two quality goalies of equal ability. There is absolutely no reason why we could not have an equivalent pairing of any two Panthers goalies we’ve seen in the past.
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Post by Yotes on Jun 25, 2019 11:03:07 GMT
I'd personally go with the old fashioned import and Brit setup. Even more so if we could get one of the better Brit backups in the league - Belfast being able to pair Besko with Rebound Murphy was a pretty strong setup.
In the times we've had 2 imports, it seems to me to have caused the guy who was #1 to fall off, rather than raising his level. Plus any Brit in our system never sees the light of day, but still needs to be the game day backup more often than not.
Injuries are a risk, but they always are, you just need the club to react quickly when they need to and splash some of that sweet building society cash.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 11:12:31 GMT
Like they did when green played like 8 games on the bounce a few years ago.. nah with injuries/goalie running get 2 import netties of equal standard and neither on UNI DEALS!
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Post by iginla on Jun 25, 2019 11:16:20 GMT
I'd personally go with the old fashioned import and Brit setup. Even more so if we could get one of the better Brit backups in the league - Belfast being able to pair Besko with Rebound Murphy was a pretty strong setup. In the times we've had 2 imports, it seems to me to have caused the guy who was #1 to fall off, rather than raising his level. Plus any Brit in our system never sees the light of day, but still needs to be the game day backup more often than not. Injuries are a risk, but they always are, you just need the club to react quickly when they need to and splash some of that sweet building society cash. That’s why we should have two proper No1 quality goalies and not a Garnett/Munson situation. It’s not as if cost is an issue,we could easily afford it.
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Post by Bagheera on Jun 25, 2019 11:16:49 GMT
I'd personally go with the old fashioned import and Brit setup. Even more so if we could get one of the better Brit backups in the league - Belfast being able to pair Besko with Rebound Murphy was a pretty strong setup. In the times we've had 2 imports, it seems to me to have caused the guy who was #1 to fall off, rather than raising his level. Plus any Brit in our system never sees the light of day, but still needs to be the game day backup more often than not. Injuries are a risk, but they always are, you just need the club to react quickly when they need to and splash some of that sweet building society cash. Im not completly against this, but if we were going to go this route id have thought we'd have kept Gospel. Asuming we could have got him to stay. Knowing he was 2nd in line with a real chance to play some games he may have.
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Post by Bagheera on Jun 25, 2019 11:20:10 GMT
Said it a few times on various threads.
2 import goalies. I'd go with a clear number 1 and a Munson type. Just because having a solid number 1 playing most games which appears to have worked for most league winners. Although im not dead against 2 of equal quality. Then an under 23 Brit for match night back up. Rarely going to see any important ice tine so shouldnt have a negative impact on results. Also allows the 5th over 23 Brit outskater and 13 import out skaters.
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Post by Yotes on Jun 25, 2019 12:08:55 GMT
Like they did when green played like 8 games on the bounce a few years ago.. nah with injuries/goalie running get 2 import netties of equal standard and neither on UNI DEALS! That would be covered by Blacky's inability to find his chequebook when required. Unless we've got more injuries - and I assume people would want the full quota of out skaters - the second import won't be there when Sheffield run our starter over anyway. And we didn't have to have Dan The Clipboard Man as backup. I'm not hugely against the idea, and I expect that's what we'll go with, but from our experience of it I've not really seen a situation where one of them doesn't suffer a dip in form.
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Post by BigLad on Jun 25, 2019 12:30:10 GMT
Guildford have been running with two #1 imports and a Brit backup, and will be doing the same this season too.
If the money is available I'd definitely do that. But not by wasting an import sitting on the bench.
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Post by Joe on Jun 25, 2019 12:30:50 GMT
2 import quality goalies and an U23 Brit back up, I think the 2nd import goalie will be similar to Munson, if not Munson. Also with Carr having plenty of experience in the ECHL, he’s also had plenty of experience with sharing duties pretty evenly across the season so I have no worries about whether he’d be able to handle it
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 25, 2019 13:36:25 GMT
Like they did when green played like 8 games on the bounce a few years ago.. nah with injuries/goalie running get 2 import netties of equal standard and neither on UNI DEALS! The thought of a talentless twonk like Green anywhere near the place fills me with dread.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 14:29:08 GMT
Like they did when green played like 8 games on the bounce a few years ago.. nah with injuries/goalie running get 2 import netties of equal standard and neither on UNI DEALS! The thought of a talentless twonk like Green anywhere near the place fills me with dread. The thought of having to watch half of last years team again fills me with dread!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 25, 2019 14:46:26 GMT
The thought of a talentless twonk like Green anywhere near the place fills me with dread. The thought of having to watch half of last years team again fills me with dread! I didn't want to sound too negative
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Post by iginla on Jun 25, 2019 14:49:19 GMT
Guildford have been running with two #1 imports and a Brit backup, and will be doing the same this season too. If the money is available I'd definitely do that. But not by wasting an import sitting on the bench. There’s no question about IF money is available,it certainly should be ! Think back to Superleague days when we had two good import goalies on fairly expensive rosters yet on crowds of only some 4000. If we could afford those two goalies back in those days then we certainly should be able to afford them now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2019 15:43:09 GMT
Yes but back in those days that's when hockey was hockey and on the ice things were half decent ... now teams are littered with roster fillers
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Post by loupowell52 on Jun 27, 2019 6:34:26 GMT
With hindsight we had about a dozen "roster fillers" last term. Hoping for a lot different under Tim Wallace this time around.
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