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Post by kezypanther on Jul 21, 2019 12:44:15 GMT
With 27 days to go until our first pre season game are we leaving it late for the last few signings? We have never been great at getting all the players here for the first game of pre season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 12:51:21 GMT
Forget pre season Panthers will still be short when they play the CC back to back games
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Post by Pies on Jul 21, 2019 13:38:36 GMT
With 27 days to go until our first pre season game are we leaving it late for the last few signings? We have never been great at getting all the players here for the first game of pre season. Belfast only have 8 imports announced and Cardiff 10 and they’ve got CHL before we play CC. So either all the teams are sitting on announcements or there’s more to it.
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Post by iginla on Jul 21, 2019 13:42:47 GMT
With 27 days to go until our first pre season game are we leaving it late for the last few signings? We have never been great at getting all the players here for the first game of pre season. Belfast only have 8 imports announced and Cardiff 10 and they’ve got CHL before we play CC. So either all the teams are sitting on announcements or there’s more to it. They’ll just be playing the stupid games that teams play and sitting on them. It’s pretty pathetic really ! 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 13:54:37 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if Panthers announced around 3 players this week
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Post by iginla on Jul 21, 2019 13:59:15 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if Panthers announced around 3 players this week THREE !!! 😳 Crikey have the North American colleges all finished early.. 🤣🤣
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 14:23:39 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if Panthers announced around 3 players this week THREE !!! 😳 Crikey have the North American colleges all finished early.. 🤣🤣 Yup did u forget giants signed a player from there as well.. 😉 It wont matter to you since you wont he watching them hey 😉
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Post by cjones on Jul 21, 2019 16:47:56 GMT
With 27 days to go until our first pre season game are we leaving it late for the last few signings? We have never been great at getting all the players here for the first game of pre season. Belfast only have 8 imports announced and Cardiff 10 and they’ve got CHL before we play CC. So either all the teams are sitting on announcements or there’s more to it. Think we’re definitely sitting on announcements. Not sure about Giants as they had so many leave.
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Post by iginla on Jul 21, 2019 17:32:59 GMT
THREE !!! 😳 Crikey have the North American colleges all finished early.. 🤣🤣 Yup did u forget giants signed a player from there as well.. 😉 It wont matter to you since you wont he watching them hey 😉 Mmmm difference being theirs will probably play 3rd line and Panthers 2nd line. And their “kid” is 26 not 22.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 17:55:01 GMT
Yup did u forget giants signed a player from there as well.. 😉 It wont matter to you since you wont he watching them hey 😉 Mmmm difference being theirs will probably play 3rd line and Panthers 2nd line. And their “kid” is 26 not 22. Ifs and buts and maybes again.. hes 26 and still hasn't turned pro until now ummm ... so if Panthers brought in Bowen byram.. (who's yet to play pro hockey) who's 18 he wouldn't be as highly regarded as Forsberg (both d men)
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Post by iginla on Jul 21, 2019 18:31:36 GMT
Mmmm difference being theirs will probably play 3rd line and Panthers 2nd line. And their “kid” is 26 not 22. Ifs and buts and maybes again.. hes 26 and still hasn't turned pro until now ummm ... so if Panthers brought in Bowen byram.. (who's yet to play pro hockey) who's 18 he wouldn't be as highly regarded as Forsberg (both d men) I’ve no idea who Byram is Pidge and I don’t want to. But rather than signing college kids and average looking “wait and see” guys I’d rather they went out and spent some of the massive profits on some proven quality. Jeez with what we’ve got so far I reckon Wallace still thinks he’s recruiting for Milton Keynes !!!! 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 18:55:29 GMT
Ifs and buts and maybes again.. hes 26 and still hasn't turned pro until now ummm ... so if Panthers brought in Bowen byram.. (who's yet to play pro hockey) who's 18 he wouldn't be as highly regarded as Forsberg (both d men) I’ve no idea who Byram is Pidge and I don’t want to. But rather than signing college kids and average looking “wait and see” guys I’d rather they went out and spent some of the massive profits on some proven quality. Jeez with what we’ve got so far I reckon Wallace still thinks he’s recruiting for Milton Keynes !!!! 🙄 You dont know who these guys are who are signing.. just because a guy got 25 goals the previous year doesn't mean hes going to be scoring the same amount for Panthers for example. It's how they are coached and if they buy into the coaches system and the whole roster is on the same page..that results in success regardless of their previous CVs. TW/GD clearly have a plan for how they want to play and according to MK fans Wallace is well respected .
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Post by Shaggy on Jul 21, 2019 19:33:56 GMT
Ifs and buts and maybes again.. hes 26 and still hasn't turned pro until now ummm ... so if Panthers brought in Bowen byram.. (who's yet to play pro hockey) who's 18 he wouldn't be as highly regarded as Forsberg (both d men) I’ve no idea who Byram is Pidge and I don’t want to. But rather than signing college kids and average looking “wait and see” guys I’d rather they went out and spent some of the massive profits on some proven quality. Jeez with what we’ve got so far I reckon Wallace still thinks he’s recruiting for Milton Keynes !!!! 🙄 "Proven quality" - and the exact definition of that is...?
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Post by dp on Jul 21, 2019 19:37:00 GMT
Ifs and buts and maybes again.. hes 26 and still hasn't turned pro until now ummm ... so if Panthers brought in Bowen byram.. (who's yet to play pro hockey) who's 18 he wouldn't be as highly regarded as Forsberg (both d men) I’ve no idea who Byram is Pidge and I don’t want to. But rather than signing college kids and average looking “wait and see” guys I’d rather they went out and spent some of the massive profits on some proven quality. Jeez with what we’ve got so far I reckon Wallace still thinks he’s recruiting for Milton Keynes !!!! 🙄 As nice as it is to be all romantic about it and say "these kids could be brilliant", "we could've found a gem" etc etc the fact is that in the 20 years I've been watching you can always pick the top two league positions in late August based on the quality and experience of the roster - particularly the Brits. And the teams who win the league are ALWAYS the ones who have players who look like they will have been expensive. There's a very good reason why Fife, Caps, MK, Dundee etc never challenge for the league, even when the whole system was rigged to make it easier for them. Look at Sheffield last season - the more players they announced, the more everyone was thinking "They look understrength this season" - and so it proved. I've just got absolutely no idea where Panthers' money is going this season. I'd have thought the arena were paying for the scoreboard, so it can't be that. Where has the Lee money gone? Where has the Farmer money gone? Actually, even the Clarke money given he was never replaced. It's certainly not gone on expensive imports with impressive CVs. The cynical side of me thinks that Doucet has been told by Black that his job is to maximise profit - keep costs down as much as possible and revenue as high as possible. He knows that the quality of the team makes no impact on revenue, so just go cheap....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 20:01:45 GMT
I’ve no idea who Byram is Pidge and I don’t want to. But rather than signing college kids and average looking “wait and see” guys I’d rather they went out and spent some of the massive profits on some proven quality. Jeez with what we’ve got so far I reckon Wallace still thinks he’s recruiting for Milton Keynes !!!! 🙄 As nice as it is to be all romantic about it and say "these kids could be brilliant", "we could've found a gem" etc etc the fact is that in the 20 years I've been watching you can always pick the top two league positions in late August based on the quality and experience of the roster - particularly the Brits. And the teams who win the league are ALWAYS the ones who have players who look like they will have been expensive. There's a very good reason why Fife, Caps, MK, Dundee etc never challenge for the league, even when the whole system was rigged to make it easier for them. Look at Sheffield last season - the more players they announced, the more everyone was thinking "They look understrength this season" - and so it proved. I've just got absolutely no idea where Panthers' money is going this season. I'd have thought the arena were paying for the scoreboard, so it can't be that. Where has the Lee money gone? Where has the Farmer money gone? Actually, even the Clarke money given he was never replaced. It's certainly not gone on expensive imports with impressive CVs. The cynical side of me thinks that Doucet has been told by Black that his job is to maximise profit - keep costs down as much as possible and revenue as high as possible. He knows that the quality of the team makes no impact on revenue, so just go cheap.... That's because Black is a business man not a hockey man.. Devils owners are hockey people.. Steelers owner is a local man and hockey fan Giants owners are hockey people Panthers owner is a londoner based 150 miles away and his Aladdin management company brought Panthers as an investment It's no coincidence they have the smallest on ice success out of the arena teams.
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Post by Bagheera on Jul 21, 2019 20:06:14 GMT
I’ve no idea who Byram is Pidge and I don’t want to. But rather than signing college kids and average looking “wait and see” guys I’d rather they went out and spent some of the massive profits on some proven quality. Jeez with what we’ve got so far I reckon Wallace still thinks he’s recruiting for Milton Keynes !!!! 🙄 As nice as it is to be all romantic about it and say "these kids could be brilliant", "we could've found a gem" etc etc the fact is that in the 20 years I've been watching you can always pick the top two league positions in late August based on the quality and experience of the roster - particularly the Brits. And the teams who win the league are ALWAYS the ones who have players who look like they will have been expensive. There's a very good reason why Fife, Caps, MK, Dundee etc never challenge for the league, even when the whole system was rigged to make it easier for them. Look at Sheffield last season - the more players they announced, the more everyone was thinking "They look understrength this season" - and so it proved. I've just got absolutely no idea where Panthers' money is going this season. I'd have thought the arena were paying for the scoreboard, so it can't be that. Where has the Lee money gone? Where has the Farmer money gone? Actually, even the Clarke money given he was never replaced. It's certainly not gone on expensive imports with impressive CVs. The cynical side of me thinks that Doucet has been told by Black that his job is to maximise profit - keep costs down as much as possible and revenue as high as possible. He knows that the quality of the team makes no impact on revenue, so just go cheap.... Spot on. The fact is, the teams with the biggest CVs on the roster tend to rise to the top. Certainly close together in the top 2 or 3. Every club has examples of big CV players failing but id bet the % of those that are percieved to fail at Panthers in far greater than those at Sheffield, Cardiff & Belfast. The amount of players that come here and under perform only points to one thing in my view, and thats the culture at the club. No way do so many players and teams fail here and it all be about them. Here's hoping the new structure changes that, but as you say, our roster looks behind others so far. I'll reserve total judgement until all players are announced though because you just never know. I also wont be writing the team off before we are a few months in at least. The fact is, it usually is fairly easy to see who will be at the top before a puck is dropped(aside Panthers).
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Post by Joe on Jul 21, 2019 20:17:11 GMT
As nice as it is to be all romantic about it and say "these kids could be brilliant", "we could've found a gem" etc etc the fact is that in the 20 years I've been watching you can always pick the top two league positions in late August based on the quality and experience of the roster - particularly the Brits. And the teams who win the league are ALWAYS the ones who have players who look like they will have been expensive. There's a very good reason why Fife, Caps, MK, Dundee etc never challenge for the league, even when the whole system was rigged to make it easier for them. Look at Sheffield last season - the more players they announced, the more everyone was thinking "They look understrength this season" - and so it proved. I've just got absolutely no idea where Panthers' money is going this season. I'd have thought the arena were paying for the scoreboard, so it can't be that. Where has the Lee money gone? Where has the Farmer money gone? Actually, even the Clarke money given he was never replaced. It's certainly not gone on expensive imports with impressive CVs. The cynical side of me thinks that Doucet has been told by Black that his job is to maximise profit - keep costs down as much as possible and revenue as high as possible. He knows that the quality of the team makes no impact on revenue, so just go cheap.... Spot on. The fact is, the teams with the biggest CVs on the roster tend to rise to the top. Certainly close together in the top 2 or 3. Every club has examples of big CV players failing but id bet the % of those that are percieved to fail at Panthers in far greater than those at Sheffield, Cardiff & Belfast. The amount of players that come here and under perform only points to one thing in my view, and thats the culture at the club. No way do so many players and teams fail here and it all be about them. Here's hoping the new structure changes that, but as you say, our roster looks behind others so far. I'll reserve total judgement until all players are announced though because you just never know. I also wont be writing the team off before we are a few months in at least. The fact is, it usually is fairly easy to see who will be at the top before a puck is dropped(aside Panthers). I agree you can generally tell who will be 1st and 2nd before a puck is even dropped but who realistically expects us to win the league first season after all the change we’ve had this off season. I personally hope to see a competitive team this season who still have a chance at winning the league come the end of the season and the only way you’ll be able to tell if we will is by seeing the team play first
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Post by allingtonskates on Jul 21, 2019 20:27:45 GMT
Ifs and buts and maybes again.. hes 26 and still hasn't turned pro until now ummm ... so if Panthers brought in Bowen byram.. (who's yet to play pro hockey) who's 18 he wouldn't be as highly regarded as Forsberg (both d men) I’ve no idea who Byram is Pidge and I don’t want to. But rather than signing college kids and average looking “wait and see” guys I’d rather they went out and spent some of the massive profits on some proven quality. Jeez with what we’ve got so far I reckon Wallace still thinks he’s recruiting for Milton Keynes !!!! 🙄 If I’m correct he just got drafted 4th overall in the nhl draft.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 20:32:32 GMT
I’ve no idea who Byram is Pidge and I don’t want to. But rather than signing college kids and average looking “wait and see” guys I’d rather they went out and spent some of the massive profits on some proven quality. Jeez with what we’ve got so far I reckon Wallace still thinks he’s recruiting for Milton Keynes !!!! 🙄 If I’m correct he just got drafted 4th overall in the nhl draft. That's correct. Hes the son of former Ayr Scottish eagle Shawn Byram, a fine player also. The reason why its said the twang with the most experience and best CVs wins is because that's the ONLY method teams have ever signed players in this league.. the likes of Steelers and devils know no difference .. I'd like to know where a full NCAA team would finish in the EIHL.. I think the majority of you would be in for a shock
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Post by dp on Jul 21, 2019 20:32:40 GMT
As nice as it is to be all romantic about it and say "these kids could be brilliant", "we could've found a gem" etc etc the fact is that in the 20 years I've been watching you can always pick the top two league positions in late August based on the quality and experience of the roster - particularly the Brits. And the teams who win the league are ALWAYS the ones who have players who look like they will have been expensive. There's a very good reason why Fife, Caps, MK, Dundee etc never challenge for the league, even when the whole system was rigged to make it easier for them. Look at Sheffield last season - the more players they announced, the more everyone was thinking "They look understrength this season" - and so it proved. I've just got absolutely no idea where Panthers' money is going this season. I'd have thought the arena were paying for the scoreboard, so it can't be that. Where has the Lee money gone? Where has the Farmer money gone? Actually, even the Clarke money given he was never replaced. It's certainly not gone on expensive imports with impressive CVs. The cynical side of me thinks that Doucet has been told by Black that his job is to maximise profit - keep costs down as much as possible and revenue as high as possible. He knows that the quality of the team makes no impact on revenue, so just go cheap.... Spot on. The fact is, the teams with the biggest CVs on the roster tend to rise to the top. Certainly close together in the top 2 or 3. Every club has examples of big CV players failing but id bet the % of those that are percieved to fail at Panthers in far greater than those at Sheffield, Cardiff & Belfast. The amount of players that come here and under perform only points to one thing in my view, and thats the culture at the club. No way do so many players and teams fail here and it all be about them. Here's hoping the new structure changes that, but as you say, our roster looks behind others so far. I'll reserve total judgement until all players are announced though because you just never know. I also wont be writing the team off before we are a few months in at least. The fact is, it usually is fairly easy to see who will be at the top before a puck is dropped(aside Panthers). Completely agree. The thing with sport is that every professional is pretty decent. Every player ever signed in the Elite league is better and more talented than the average man on the street. But the difference which makes players able to play at a higher level is things like natural strength, athleticism, mentality etc. Yes the odd one will slip through and perform in the Elite league better than they'd be expected to but, taking it to extremes, if you signed 100 Messi and Ronaldo they'd be better than 100 Ameobi and Lolley - and that doesn't mean Lolley and Ameobi aren't very talented, it's just the best are that bit better...and that's what you have to pay for and that's what wins championships.
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Post by iginla on Jul 21, 2019 20:33:03 GMT
I’ve no idea who Byram is Pidge and I don’t want to. But rather than signing college kids and average looking “wait and see” guys I’d rather they went out and spent some of the massive profits on some proven quality. Jeez with what we’ve got so far I reckon Wallace still thinks he’s recruiting for Milton Keynes !!!! 🙄 As nice as it is to be all romantic about it and say "these kids could be brilliant", "we could've found a gem" etc etc the fact is that in the 20 years I've been watching you can always pick the top two league positions in late August based on the quality and experience of the roster - particularly the Brits. And the teams who win the league are ALWAYS the ones who have players who look like they will have been expensive. There's a very good reason why Fife, Caps, MK, Dundee etc never challenge for the league, even when the whole system was rigged to make it easier for them. Look at Sheffield last season - the more players they announced, the more everyone was thinking "They look understrength this season" - and so it proved. I've just got absolutely no idea where Panthers' money is going this season. I'd have thought the arena were paying for the scoreboard, so it can't be that. Where has the Lee money gone? Where has the Farmer money gone? Actually, even the Clarke money given he was never replaced. It's certainly not gone on expensive imports with impressive CVs. The cynical side of me thinks that Doucet has been told by Black that his job is to maximise profit - keep costs down as much as possible and revenue as high as possible. He knows that the quality of the team makes no impact on revenue, so just go cheap.... Spot on. That’s the best post I’ve read on here for donkeys years. 👍👍
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Post by allingtonskates on Jul 21, 2019 20:33:55 GMT
Spot on. The fact is, the teams with the biggest CVs on the roster tend to rise to the top. Certainly close together in the top 2 or 3. Every club has examples of big CV players failing but id bet the % of those that are percieved to fail at Panthers in far greater than those at Sheffield, Cardiff & Belfast. The amount of players that come here and under perform only points to one thing in my view, and thats the culture at the club. No way do so many players and teams fail here and it all be about them. Here's hoping the new structure changes that, but as you say, our roster looks behind others so far. I'll reserve total judgement until all players are announced though because you just never know. I also wont be writing the team off before we are a few months in at least. The fact is, it usually is fairly easy to see who will be at the top before a puck is dropped(aside Panthers). I agree you can generally tell who will be 1st and 2nd before a puck is even dropped but who realistically expects us to win the league first season after all the change we’ve had this off season. I personally hope to see a competitive team this season who still have a chance at winning the league come the end of the season and the only way you’ll be able to tell if we will is by seeing the team play first What we should be doing is looking to compete with the top teams this season, spend the full season competing and with high work ethic, I’d be happy if we finished 4th and then built on this seasons team keeping a core of players, like Cardiff did. If we are still in reaching distance off the Cardiff’s, Belfast’s and Sheffield’s then we can build on that for next season and hopefully win a championship or 2/3. You have to build a core, there is no point in signing a elite team and winning everything just to rebuild the next year.(the year we would the league for example)
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Post by allingtonskates on Jul 21, 2019 20:36:27 GMT
If I’m correct he just got drafted 4th overall in the nhl draft. That's correct. Hes the son of former Ayr Scottish eagle Shawn Byram, a fine player also. The reason why its said the twang with the most experience and best CVs wins is because that's the ONLY method teams have ever signed players in this league.. the likes of Steelers and devils know no difference .. I'd like to know where a full NCAA team would finish in the EIHL.. I think the majority of you would be in for a shock Yup, it’s a very high standard that most people don’t recognise.
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Post by Joe on Jul 21, 2019 20:50:36 GMT
That's correct. Hes the son of former Ayr Scottish eagle Shawn Byram, a fine player also. The reason why its said the twang with the most experience and best CVs wins is because that's the ONLY method teams have ever signed players in this league.. the likes of Steelers and devils know no difference .. I'd like to know where a full NCAA team would finish in the EIHL.. I think the majority of you would be in for a shock Yup, it’s a very high standard that most people don’t recognise. yep, it still baffles me how many people on here have such firm opinions on the quality of certain leagues despite having zero knowledge or experience of those leagues
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2019 20:50:47 GMT
That's correct. Hes the son of former Ayr Scottish eagle Shawn Byram, a fine player also. The reason why its said the twang with the most experience and best CVs wins is because that's the ONLY method teams have ever signed players in this league.. the likes of Steelers and devils know no difference .. I'd like to know where a full NCAA team would finish in the EIHL.. I think the majority of you would be in for a shock Yup, it’s a very high standard that most people don’t recognise. Exactly the reason why teams/coaches in this league dont sign and go down that route is they see it as a risk/gamble and ain't really clever enough in recognising a very good player. It's easier for someone like Aaron Fox to pick a player who's played in half decent leagues and think 'he must be half decent, he'll do'
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