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Post by pantherlee on Jun 12, 2019 7:45:25 GMT
What exactly has changed apart from adding another layer of management? Which from past experience means the panthers org TM is able to share around the blame if/when the fanbase get reckless and gives them more leeway to do sod all until its too late... Do you really want answers to all of those questions/points? Probably not... Fact:- As others have pointed out - a new coach. And one who was praised last season for engaging very professionally with his players and motivating a poor team to perform well above expectations. Speculation:- Seeing as Corey Neilson (unfairly?), Rich Chernomaz and Rick Strachan were all heavily criticised on the player interaction and team motivation fronts... this appears to have the possibility of being a fundamental upgrade. Fact:- 'Director of Hockey' - responsible for player recruitment. Speculation:- It has been widely touted - by those who appear to do little other than criticise - that their Most Unwanted person in the Panthers organisation, Gary Moran, has had control of this area for many years. With Calum having already taken over most/all of the media side of things, and with GM's recent medical issues having largely sidelined him for a while... maybe this is another step in reducing the amount of control he allegedly has? One would have thought there would be cheers and tears of joy in certain circles at even the remotest possibility of that happening... Ah, yes... the 'nothing ever changes' line. Which is little more than assumption based more on prejudice than actual logic and facts. And yes... the 'the Panthers don't give a damn as long as the money comes in' line. Because <sarcasm alert!> everyone within the Panthers organisation only ever does anything for money and is only out for themselves, as opposed to the dedicated and passionate fans who <bovine excrement alert!> only criticise out of the goodness of their hearts, providing 'tough love' and a 'realistic attitude'... As for what this will do for British players with the Panthers (including links with the juniors & Lions)... who knows? We can only guess. What could this do? - potentially one hell of a lot, although more in the medium to long term than anything else. Best post ever
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Post by Jord v4 on Jun 12, 2019 8:55:33 GMT
Why people are still peddling the line over GM being involved in player recruitment I really don't know. Far too many live in the past on here.
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Post by Joe on Jun 12, 2019 9:35:51 GMT
Why people are still peddling the line over GM being involved in player recruitment I really don't know. Far too many live in the past on here. for the amount of people who say NB is a good businessman, being successful is good business and letting a man who knows nothing about hockey have a say in player recruitment is a sure fire way to not be successful
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Post by jd on Jun 12, 2019 11:41:06 GMT
But Shaggy as you’re very very fond of pointing out to other people.....you’re guessing that things may change and you have no concrete proof anything will come good. They may not,the new coach may turn out to be a dud,the new DOH may not make one iota of difference and Moran may still be here meddling in five years time. Will Calum even be here ! Past experience with Panthers tells us all to either expect nowt or wait and see,it just depends how cynical we each are. So why don't we wait and see what happens eh.
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Post by texpef on Jun 12, 2019 16:28:11 GMT
What exactly has changed apart from adding another layer of management? Which from past experience means the panthers org TM is able to share around the blame if/when the fanbase get reckless and gives them more leeway to do sod all until its too late... Do you really want answers to all of those questions/points? Probably not... Fact:- As others have pointed out - a new coach. And one who was praised last season for engaging very professionally with his players and motivating a poor team to perform well above expectations. Speculation:- Seeing as Corey Neilson (unfairly?), Rich Chernomaz and Rick Strachan were all heavily criticised on the player interaction and team motivation fronts... this appears to have the possibility of being a fundamental upgrade. Fact:- 'Director of Hockey' - responsible for player recruitment. Speculation:- It has been widely touted - by those who appear to do little other than criticise - that their Most Unwanted person in the Panthers organisation, Gary Moran, has had control of this area for many years. With Calum having already taken over most/all of the media side of things, and with GM's recent medical issues having largely sidelined him for a while... maybe this is another step in reducing the amount of control he allegedly has? One would have thought there would be cheers and tears of joy in certain circles at even the remotest possibility of that happening... Ah, yes... the 'nothing ever changes' line. Which is little more than assumption based more on prejudice than actual logic and facts. And yes... the 'the Panthers don't give a damn as long as the money comes in' line. Because <sarcasm alert!> everyone within the Panthers organisation only ever does anything for money and is only out for themselves, as opposed to the dedicated and passionate fans who <bovine excrement alert!> only criticise out of the goodness of their hearts, providing 'tough love' and a 'realistic attitude'... As for what this will do for British players with the Panthers (including links with the juniors & Lions)... who knows? We can only guess. What could this do? - potentially one hell of a lot, although more in the medium to long term than anything else. Nice hatchet job shaggy and a moderator to boot too... To address some of your points:- 1. Panthers sacked their previous coach post xmas, in other words 3 months BEFORE the season ended, waited till over a month when it finished then announced a replacement who was coach of a club who ended bottom of the league... AGAIN ALL FACTS. Yes to be fair there are mitigating circumstances, i.e. MK had no money but in football terms would Liverpool/ManU/Man city/ Arsenal etc sign a manager from a team that ended bottom of the premiership and I know the answer is NO. However from a panthers fans pov why has it taken over 4 months to replace (there the term used to employ an employee in a role that NEEDS to be filled) one of the alleged sort out positions in british hockey with a manager who really should be falling over himself to come here. It might be true he is well thought of but hey still didn't stop his team finishing DEAD BOTTOM, how is that finishing above expectations, fans thought he would come bottom and he did. We have no idea how his player interaction being panthers fans not MK fans but either way made no difference to their overall position, plus I think you will find all three coaches you mention had other problems associated with them than just player interaction. 2. GM... hot topic love him or hate him, apart from allegedly signing players in the past (I honestly have no idea how much involvement he has now), it is not controversial to say I believe he has no input in training etc so poor player performance must be down to players/coach. Therefore bringing GM into the argument is surely a red herring at this stage? Yes there are things I blame GM for but underachievement on the ice since the Grand slam is not one of them. 3. Past experience counts, and it is only gained by experiencing it. For example if I was a steelers fan (god forbid, need a mouthwash now) I truly would believe they would do everything they can to improve their poor situation as history shows they bring in ringers, strengthen their squads when they need etc as their ethos is to be the best they can ON THE ICE. The problem I have as a panthers fan is since moving to the new arena the emphasis IN MY OPINION has been to make as much money as they can rather than do what is best to win, - emphasising sponsorship, quiz nights, good seats available is important and I thoroughly agree with that but in my mind its at the expense of what is important in a PROFESSIONAL SPORTS CLUB and in my mind that should be to be the best in the particular field they are playing in. For example, sacking a coach and going with a temp, bringing in players way to late to challenge or not replacing players soon enough to challenge for league titles, all so depressingly very familiar as a panthers fan. As I know you like your facts, since winning the league we have gone 4th(32), 4th(9), 5th(10), 4th(23), 4th(14), 3rd(22) (in brackets score behind leaders), in a 3 horse race this is pretty poo poo isn't it and clearly shows a pattern of what is massive underachievement... 4. Different fans see things different (shocker alert shaggy not everyone thinks everything is rosy), when most articles from panthers are either selling stuff or blatent adverts for sponsors/season ticket sales/latest quix night etc and when panthers loose fans want to see articles saying how things are going to be put right and preferably then see an improvement what actually has happened is normally a good seats available article, you tell me what would that tell the average fan where the priority is? Fans criticise for all sorts of reasons and sometimes when the club don't deserve it but after another dismal effort personally its a way of venting as to be honest after all this time I don't EXPECT any thing to change. 5. Brits... I guess there are two approaches to this, you can either develop your own or steel the best off other clubs such as steelers (hand, chinn lobby on same team etc) or Belfast pretty much since the EIHL. Personally, it was great to see nottm lads doing well and my fav player is still Simon Hunt BUT as one of the biggest clubs in the league (and some say the biggest) I don't feel its beyond panthers capability to bring in brits who could improve the squad and move on those who are getting on (clarky) or past it (lacko) but as has been the case in the past this still seems to be something either the club aren't able to do or cant be bothered to do i.e. take the route of least resistance or in other words the easy way out. Again evidence does seem to back up this thought.
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Post by iginla on Jun 12, 2019 16:50:02 GMT
But Shaggy as you’re very very fond of pointing out to other people.....you’re guessing that things may change and you have no concrete proof anything will come good. They may not,the new coach may turn out to be a dud,the new DOH may not make one iota of difference and Moran may still be here meddling in five years time. Will Calum even be here ! Past experience with Panthers tells us all to either expect nowt or wait and see,it just depends how cynical we each are. So why don't we wait and see what happens eh. We are waiting,I’m saying virtually nowt,but i don’t have much faith in them sorry.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Jun 13, 2019 9:40:57 GMT
So why don't we wait and see what happens eh. We are waiting,I’m saying virtually nowt,but i don’t have much faith in them sorry. Saying "Virtually nowt" - come on Iginla that's not like you, don't break a habit of a lifetime, what other gems of knowledge will we get if you don't give them !!!
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Post by cooperphil156 on Jun 14, 2019 17:25:24 GMT
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Post by kievthegreat on Jun 14, 2019 17:37:33 GMT
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Post by Jord v4 on Jun 14, 2019 17:51:39 GMT
Offered him a good deal as well, his choice to move on.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Jun 14, 2019 17:58:29 GMT
I thought he played well for GB - best of luck to him
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Post by dill1015 on Jun 14, 2019 18:12:55 GMT
A lot of people are probably quite happy about this. But he will be hard to replace.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 18:13:05 GMT
That's just it he does play well for GB.. the complete opposite to what hes like for his club!
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Post by PantherG on Jun 14, 2019 21:41:45 GMT
Offered him a good deal as well, his choice to move on. Any news on Farmer?
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Post by Jord v4 on Jun 14, 2019 22:30:26 GMT
Offered him a good deal as well, his choice to move on. Any news on Farmer? Heard very little on him, which bothers me a little. He's usually a formality extension wise.
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Post by BigLad on Jun 14, 2019 23:49:07 GMT
A lot of people are probably quite happy about this. But he will be hard to replace. I don't understand how any Panthers fan can be happy about this depending on his replacement. Lee is one of the top British d-men in the league, and he was better before his concussions too! He is a massive loss to Panthers and a massive plus to whoever signs him.
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Post by dill1015 on Jun 15, 2019 1:05:55 GMT
A lot of people are probably quite happy about this. But he will be hard to replace. I don't understand how any Panthers fan can be happy about this depending on his replacement. Lee is one of the top British d-men in the league, and he was better before his concussions too! He is a massive loss to Panthers and a massive plus to whoever signs him. I dont disagree with you. He wasnt the same after his concussion, but still a top level brit dman. I just hope it wasnt the likes of this forum that made him feel unwanted. He has been a huge asset to us over the years. Good luck Stevie.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jun 15, 2019 2:01:38 GMT
I don't understand how any Panthers fan can be happy about this depending on his replacement. Lee is one of the top British d-men in the league, and he was better before his concussions too! He is a massive loss to Panthers and a massive plus to whoever signs him. I dont disagree with you. He wasnt the same after his concussion, but still a top level brit dman. I just hope it wasnt the likes of this forum that made him feel unwanted. He has been a huge asset to us over the years. Good luck Stevie. If the rumours are true and he’s moved to Guildford then I can see why he turned us down. Whether it’s rightly or wrongly he’s come in for years of slagging off from our fanbase and it’d be naive to think he wouldn’t be aware of it. He moves to Guildford where he’s played previously and he knows they really look after their players. In comparison to their other Brit D in Lundin he’s practically Gretzky. The money will be top end, the fanbase expectation much lower and he knows he’ll essentially have a gig until he no longer wants it. Definitely not the Brit I wanted to see the back of.
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Post by wgray on Jun 15, 2019 12:42:56 GMT
Has anyone watched the Panthers TV bit with Lacho? I just can't bring myself to do it. With headlines like 'looking forward to getting going' and 'we need to get that winning mentality' I don't think I could stomach the hypocrisy of it all. A lot of us have been looking forward to Lacho 'getting going' for years, be it on the ice or to a different club. As for a 'winning mentality' this can largely be judged from the amount of effort put in on the ice. Maybe Lacho should look up the definition of effort before opening his mouth. I’m in the same boat as you and I’ve not watched it for the same reasons. It would be nice to hear some honesty from him and acknowledge that he’s not brought enough to the table in the last few seasons, then I might watch it.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jun 15, 2019 21:30:13 GMT
Heard very little on him, which bothers me a little. He's usually a formality extension wise. Forget this, Farmer is under contract still.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 21:40:38 GMT
So why no announcement?
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Post by wgray on Jun 19, 2019 20:30:14 GMT
After the news of Lee joining Guildford today does anybody think that the chances of signing Ben Davies are now greater? If we did have a swap, should we be happy with that?
Also, if we do happen to sign Davies, I think it may be a case of bad news first as I can’t see Farms being here next season now I’m afraid.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Jun 19, 2019 21:10:37 GMT
Heard very little on him, which bothers me a little. He's usually a formality extension wise. Forget this, Farmer is under contract still. So why does he not appear on this seasons roster?
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Post by Jord v4 on Jun 19, 2019 21:18:23 GMT
Forget this, Farmer is under contract still. So why does he not appear on this seasons roster? Fair question. Dunno.
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