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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 11:09:00 GMT
It doesn’t matter which players stay, which players go, who comes in and who the coaches are. Unless there is a shift in the culture and attitude of the whole organisation we will continue to get the same results.
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Post by Walitzer on Feb 18, 2019 11:12:59 GMT
"Keeps"? Import wise, Hughes and Guptill are absolute musts. Hurtubise would be "nice to have", as would Lepine. That's about it. Pither has been a bit of a disappointment this season, compared to what he showed the back end of last season. I'm not high on Olsen, either. Keep all the Brits, but I think Lacho might be lucky to get an extension. OOAA Keep all the brits? I wouldn't pay Lee and Lacho in bent washers. Both must go as a matter of urgency. So what there isn't many brit d men. Go and find some new ones! I'd even have swindlehurst back over Lee.. and it won't difficult replacing Lacho at all Should probably point out that Lee has double Swindlehurst's point production this year and amusingly a point more than Lachowicz to boot.
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Post by wgray on Feb 18, 2019 11:16:05 GMT
Keep all the Brits, but I think Lacho might be lucky to get an extension. Unless Lacho is on a cheap contract, if the Hull Pirate's choose to stay in the NIHL again next season, I'd be approaching Bobby Chamberlain or Lee Bonner.
Do we give Kelsall a chance?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 11:16:46 GMT
Keep all the brits? I wouldn't pay Lee and Lacho in bent washers. Both must go as a matter of urgency. So what there isn't many brit d men. Go and find some new ones! I'd even have swindlehurst back over Lee.. and it won't difficult replacing Lacho at all Should probably point out that Lee has double Swindlehurst's point production this year and amusingly a point more than Lachowicz to boot.
What about +/-?
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Post by wgray on Feb 18, 2019 11:19:12 GMT
It doesn’t matter which players stay, which players go, who comes in and who the coaches are. Unless there is a shift in the culture and attitude of the whole organisation we will continue to get the same results. There’s only one man which can change that Jono and this could quite possibly be the season where the penny drops. But there does need to be changes on the ice to go along with this.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 18, 2019 11:21:23 GMT
Hurtubise would be "nice to have", as would Lepine. Missing a "not" in amongst that
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Post by Walitzer on Feb 18, 2019 11:22:12 GMT
Unless Lacho is on a cheap contract, if the Hull Pirate's choose to stay in the NIHL again next season, I'd be approaching Bobby Chamberlain or Lee Bonner.
Do we give Kelsall a chance? Ask me last year and I would have said yes, however his year at Dundee has seen him prove largely ineffectual and overshadowed by the excellent performance of Jordan Cownie and for a short stint even Craig Garrigan.
I certainly don't see him as an improvment over Lachowicz and I'm uncertain of his potential.
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Post by wgray on Feb 18, 2019 11:29:23 GMT
Do we give Kelsall a chance? Ask me last year and I would have said yes, however his year at Dundee has seen him prove largely ineffectual and overshadowed by the excellent performance of Jordan Cownie and for a short stint even Craig Garrigan.
I certainly don't see him as an improvment over Lachowicz and I'm uncertain of his potential.
I agree with what you’re saying but Jordan is still very young, I think we need to bring him back in the summer, develop him and give him a chance to fight for his place. You mention Cownie, he’s a player we let go and has flourished, every time we’ve played Dundee I’ve been impressed with him. Could we tempt him back?
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Post by BigLad on Feb 18, 2019 12:35:46 GMT
Ask me last year and I would have said yes, however his year at Dundee has seen him prove largely ineffectual and overshadowed by the excellent performance of Jordan Cownie and for a short stint even Craig Garrigan. I certainly don't see him as an improvment over Lachowicz and I'm uncertain of his potential.
I agree with what you’re saying but Jordan is still very young, I think we need to bring him back in the summer, develop him and give him a chance to fight for his place. You mention Cownie, he’s a player we let go and has flourished, every time we’ve played Dundee I’ve been impressed with him. Could we tempt him back? Cownie bounced around a bit after his cover spell with us - attitude problems based on what was said at the time. He seems to have settled down in Dundee. Whether other teams would risk going for him now I'm not sure.
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Post by Joe on Feb 18, 2019 12:53:23 GMT
I’d keep: Munson Gospel Olsen Hazeldine Tetlow Lepine Lee Hughes Perlini Rheault Guptill Stewart Betteridge
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 18, 2019 13:06:39 GMT
"Keeps"? Import wise, Hughes and Guptill are absolute musts. Hurtubise would be "nice to have", as would Lepine. That's about it. Pither has been a bit of a disappointment this season, compared to what he showed the back end of last season. I'm not high on Olsen, either. Keep all the Brits, but I think Lacho might be lucky to get an extension. OOAA I'm quite shocked some dont have Hughes as nailed on. I think because he played some big hits early on and now not so much people are holding it against him. A Dman that barely gets a mention week in and week out is a good thing in my view.
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Post by Joe on Feb 18, 2019 13:13:13 GMT
"Keeps"? Import wise, Hughes and Guptill are absolute musts. Hurtubise would be "nice to have", as would Lepine. That's about it. Pither has been a bit of a disappointment this season, compared to what he showed the back end of last season. I'm not high on Olsen, either. Keep all the Brits, but I think Lacho might be lucky to get an extension. OOAA I'm quite shocked some dont have Hughes as nailed on. I think because he played some big hits early on and now not so much people are holding it against him. A Dman that barely gets a mention week in and week out is a good thing in my view. I’m shocked some are considering keeping Kovacs and Hurtubise as Guptill has been carrying them and the rest of our import forwards on his back for majority of the season
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Post by iginla on Feb 18, 2019 13:15:29 GMT
"Keeps"? Import wise, Hughes and Guptill are absolute musts. Hurtubise would be "nice to have", as would Lepine. That's about it. Pither has been a bit of a disappointment this season, compared to what he showed the back end of last season. I'm not high on Olsen, either. Keep all the Brits, but I think Lacho might be lucky to get an extension. OOAA I'm quite shocked some dont have Hughes as nailed on. I think because he played some big hits early on and now not so much people are holding it against him. A Dman that barely gets a mention week in and week out is a good thing in my view. Mmmm there’s probably a reason why his big hits have dried up a bit Wonder what it could be ! 🤔
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Post by Yotes on Feb 18, 2019 13:18:28 GMT
Garnett - Happy to keep, been good this year. Munson - Irrelevant, ten a penny. Gospel - Get rid, too old.
Hughes - Keep. Rissling - Get rid, will be a marked man for everyone's favourite department. Lepine - Sadly have to keep. Terrible. Olsen - Keep. Billingsley - Get rid. Lee - Will have to keep, passport. Tetlow - Keep, is heading in the right direction.
Lachowicz - Get rid, passport or not. Farmer - Keep, although he's not had a great year for me. Stewart - Get rid, expensive and coasting at half speed at best. Perlini - Keep, not as good as year one, but British. Henderson - Unless they do make him player coach, get rid. Guptill - Keep, league top goalscorer. Rheault - Stuck with him, crock. Would like to get rid though. Pither - Get rid, ludicrous amount of penalties. Kovacs - Get rid. Richard - Get rid. Betteridge - Keep, POTY. Bolduc - Get rid. Hurtubise - Get rid.
Nowhere near enough goals in our team.
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Post by iginla on Feb 18, 2019 13:20:27 GMT
It doesn’t matter which players stay, which players go, who comes in and who the coaches are. Unless there is a shift in the culture and attitude of the whole organisation we will continue to get the same results. Spot on Jono. It’s needs huge change in club ethos together with a passionate and motivational coach who stands no crap and is let loose to run his own ship,kick out the underperforming dead wood and change the whole club around into having a winning mentality.
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Post by Carnell on Feb 18, 2019 13:25:44 GMT
Sam Gospal – Keep, cheap and can reality is he’ll be backup. Mike Garnett – I like him, but think another season will be a season too far (Brad Moran?) Think we can get better. Patrick Munson – Keep, as a 2nd import NM, pushing a genuine No.1, could become a No.1 in a season if he continues to develop.
Dylan Olsen – Keep, one of the premier dmen in the league Joseph Hazeldine – Keep, maybe loan out to MK/Dundee similar to Kelsall this season to get more ice time at a good level Josh Tetlow – Keep, can become a solid bottom pair dman Gui Lepine – Back on his second year, get him to play a bottom pair roll with reduced ice time Stephen Lee – Not had the best season, but bring back, he can still be useful as a Brit dman as a 2nd line guy Tommy Hughes – Keep, when he plays with more of an edge, he can be useful, mobile and can play on any line. Tim Billingsley – Release, he’s decent, but think we can improve, we need someone to play higher up the ranks. Jaynen Rissling – Keep, another top line dman, can skate well, chip in offensively and play the solid defensive role, can hit as we all know.
Rob Lachowicz – Release – I’d personally bring back Kelsall, I don’t see Lacho being as effective as he has been, a change could be good for all. Brett Perlini – Not had the best season, but he has the quality, needs to be moved back into the Centre to be more effective, 3rd line centre for me. Jordan Kelsall – Bring back, I’d imagine he will be cheaper than Lacho and will suit a 4th line role with speed. Justin Kovacs – Release – quietly gone about picking up points, but done nothing to shout about, this we can do better with our 2nd line guy. Robert Farmer – Keep, good Gritty role player, 4th line shut down line but can contribute offensively. Mark Hurtubise – On the Fence – Solid 2way forward, not set the league alight as expected, but responsible, I’d keep one of either Hurtubise or Pither as our 2nd line, Pither edges it because of age. Jon Rheault – On the Fence – Hampered by injury, shown signs of his ability at times, I’d take a hit on him again for next season if better isn’t out there. Alex Guptill – Keep, Leading goal scorer, appears lazy at times, but so was Ling, if he’s paired up with a work horse he can be. Alexandre Bolduc – On the Fence – Been a solid asset on the fourth line, but think he will command a good wage that could be spent further up the roster. Chris Stewart – Keep – Give him quality line mates and he should excel, he can make the plays, just need someone to be on the end that reads the game as well. Dylan Richard – Release – done nothing wrong, but hasn’t put up the numbers, can do better Ollie Betteridge – Keep, number one Brit for us this season, come on leaps and bounds, could be pushing for top 6 slot, just wish he was a few inches taller. Luke Pither – Keep – as mentioned above, as a 2nd line centre, he can contribute, not had the impact this season like before, but he can produce Kevin Henderson – Keep – doesn’t do much wrong, nothing flashy, but can play up and down the roster, as a forward or covering on D. Another shut down guy.
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Post by bobness on Feb 18, 2019 13:52:35 GMT
Hurtubise would be "nice to have", as would Lepine. Missing a "not" in amongst that Hurtubise works his tail off, IMHO, he's invariably first forward on the back check, and has a decent +/- as a result. I just don't know what happened to the bloke who scored 10 points in his first 6 league games. Lepine has largely made up for a poor start, for me. 11 Nov to 12 Jan (last game they both played together, apart from 2 Feb), Lepine is +13, Olsen is -3.
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Post by bobness on Feb 18, 2019 13:59:46 GMT
Should probably point out that Lee has double Swindlehurst's point production this year and amusingly a point more than Lachowicz to boot.
What about +/-? I have Lee at -2, EIHL site has Swindlehurst at +6. I'll bet he plays nowhere near the minutes Lee does, and when Belfast's GD is +66 while Panthers is -5, that's easily understandable. Panthers D has been weak this year, at least half of it needs a change. I'm amazed so many people seem to be all for only changing one or two. Every team needs a Hughes type, he's been nothing short of superb all year.
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Post by bobness on Feb 18, 2019 14:07:45 GMT
I'm quite shocked some dont have Hughes as nailed on. I think because he played some big hits early on and now not so much people are holding it against him. A Dman that barely gets a mention week in and week out is a good thing in my view. I’m shocked some are considering keeping Kovacs and Hurtubise as Guptill has been carrying them and the rest of our import forwards on his back for majority of the season Panthers would certainly lack goals without him but "Carrying them on his back"? Kane at Chicago is doing that, 87 points to the next best 58 (then 55), half as many again. But 51 to 41 and 40? I'm not high on Kovacs at all, but Hurtubise grafts and does a lot of things that don't get the recognition they deserve.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Feb 18, 2019 14:21:50 GMT
Garnett - Go, better should be out there Munson - Keep, can get better Gospel - don't mind either way.
Hughes - Either fairly unnoticed which is good for a Dman Rissling - Keep Lepine - GO, never mind on a uni, 2 year, or whatever. Olsen - Keep Billingsley - Go, get an upgrade Lee - GO, been here too long and knows he's on a cushy number. Tetlow - Keep, developing well
Lachowicz - GO, been going downhill and only gets a job because of being a brit Farmer - Not sure, points production disappointing, should be let off the leash. Stewart - GO, brings and does nothing. Been said that he plays to too high a standard for the rest of the team, but if after several weeks you still cant adapt to the team!! Perlini - Disappointing, would keep but needs to up effort, but if on a two year then next season he should be brilliant as he'll be playing for a job. Henderson - Keep, solid player Guptill - Keep, top scorer why wouldn't you. Rheault - Go, need more production Pither - I'd keep, lots of fore and back checking, needs to be the scorer. Kovacs - Go, disappointment Richard - Go, same as kovacs Betteridge - Must keep, simple Bolduc - Go, goes missing in games too often Hurtubise - Go, same as kovacs
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Post by Joe on Feb 18, 2019 14:26:17 GMT
I’m shocked some are considering keeping Kovacs and Hurtubise as Guptill has been carrying them and the rest of our import forwards on his back for majority of the season Panthers would certainly lack goals without him but "Carrying them on his back"? Kane at Chicago is doing that, 87 points to the next best 58 (then 55), half as many again. But 51 to 41 and 40? I'm not high on Kovacs at all, but Hurtubise grafts and does a lot of things that don't get the recognition they deserve. in my opinion if Guptill doesn’t turn up then his line doesn’t produce anything offensively, Hurtubise may contribute in other areas but he’s not doing what he was brought in to do and if all he’s doing is what is expected of a 3rd/4th liner then there are better out there.
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Post by ted logan on Feb 18, 2019 14:28:54 GMT
I’d keep... Henderson (player coach) Munson Olsen Hughes Rissling Guptill Bolduc Perlini Farmer Ollie The rest are either not of the quality we should have,just don’t produce or are stealing a wage because of their passport. Pretty much this. Unfortunately Uni deals make it unlikely and we’ll be stuck with 2 more that aren’t on that list. As others have said though, playing personnel are only a small part of the overall picture. The club is run as a business and not a sports team. The hierarchy is outdated and out of touch with the fans. The tweet on Saturday night was a prime example. Play poorly, get stuffed at home to our local rivals. Hail the night a success! The attitude towards the trust was laughable. The whole culture needs changing. Can only hope that one day the penny drops but until a major (overdue) overhaul is carried out, then we will just see season after season of mid table obscurity and a widening gulf in the relationship between club and fans/customers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 15:11:13 GMT
Keep:
Hughes Betteridge Guptill
Bin the rest of them. That includes ALL 'backroom' Staff/Management!
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Post by iginla on Feb 18, 2019 15:31:24 GMT
Keep: Hughes Betteridge Guptill Bin the rest of them. That includes ALL 'backroom' Staff/Management! Not a bad shout there. I almost went with that too,but keeping a semi core got the better of me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 15:40:49 GMT
Keep: Hughes Betteridge Guptill Bin the rest of them. That includes ALL 'backroom' Staff/Management! Not a bad shout there. I almost went with that too,but keeping a semi core got the better of me. They ain't worth keeping, bunch of losers. It amazes me how some folk on this thread want to keep the majority of the dross that have 'entertained' us (sic) this season. Unbelievable......Jeff.
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