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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 10:37:11 GMT
2 words. Marty. Dallman. A magician. Only Ling has ever come close, for me. That's awfully close to me agreeing with Pidge, isn't it? On D, I have a soft spot for Jim Mathieson, an old school, tough-as-nails D man, but only fought when needed. Like beating the snot out of Mike Ware and not even getting a penalty for it. He's the guy who's beating the living daylights out of one Steeler, gets jumped by Ware, then beats the living daylights out of him, too. Not a single penalty did Mathieson receive for this passage of "play". EIHL era, that's trickier. Probably Ling. No penalties on some of that = The good old days eh. The modern fan would be having kittens watching this
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Post by Yotes on Feb 9, 2019 11:19:01 GMT
The modern fan seems to enjoy the rough stuff as much as old codgers like you Pidge.
It's the game that's changed, not the fans.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Feb 9, 2019 14:07:17 GMT
Nothing like old school hockey. Sadly these days the officials think they’re above the game and DOPS made it so that players who play the game like Barry Neickar, Dody Wood, Jason Clarke, Alex Penner just haven’t got a place in modern hockey. If they can’t put up 30+ points as well as fight and keep their discipline (for the most part) it’s getting harder for them to get a job outside the LNAH.
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Post by iginla on Feb 9, 2019 15:09:06 GMT
Nothing like old school hockey. Sadly these days the officials think they’re above the game and DOPS made it so that players who play the game like Barry Neickar, Dody Wood, Jason Clarke, Alex Penner just haven’t got a place in modern hockey. If they can’t put up 30+ points as well as fight and keep their discipline (for the most part) it’s getting harder for them to get a job outside the LNAH. Indeed very true. It’s funny, all the shenanigans these days about bad hits etc,but I don’t seem to recall Neickar,Wood,Clarke,Penner, Vial or Allison badly injuring anybody and ending their career ? Game’s gone soft,it’s totally bland now and nowhere near the exciting game it used to be.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 9, 2019 15:37:34 GMT
Blaming DOPS for the path hockey (the game in its entirety) has taken? That's a stretch, not sure they have much pull with the NHL & IIHF.
Fact is we know much more now about the long term effects of repeated brain injury, the sport was bound to protect itself.
That form of the game is gone, and isn't coming back. If you don't like it, I guess you have to move on too.
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Post by iginla on Feb 9, 2019 15:53:11 GMT
Blaming DOPS for the path hockey (the game in its entirety) has taken? That's a stretch, not sure they have much pull with the NHL & IIHF. Fact is we know much more now about the long term effects of repeated brain injury, the sport was bound to protect itself. That form of the game is gone, and isn't coming back. If you don't like it, I guess you have to move on too. I’ve already moved on mate. It’s not just DOPS,the NHL or the IIHF that’s spoilt it,it’s also the fault of the whole wrapped in cotton wool,cry baby,who can i sue next,PC world we live in these days. Things are always far more exciting when there’s a bit of danger involved.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Feb 9, 2019 16:16:22 GMT
Blaming DOPS for the path hockey (the game in its entirety) has taken? That's a stretch, not sure they have much pull with the NHL & IIHF. Fact is we know much more now about the long term effects of repeated brain injury, the sport was bound to protect itself. That form of the game is gone, and isn't coming back. If you don't like it, I guess you have to move on too. I meant more so how DOPS have affected the EIHL. I understand player safety but the punishments the put down it’s like they’re taking away the physical play as it’ll be a thought in the players mind going into the game. They’re grown men who can look after (or someone on their team is employed to) themselves. Anyway back on topic. Mention to Kim Ahlroos scoring an OT winner away in Sheffield in the challenge cup one year if I recall correctly, nearly had me tumbling down the stairs at the house of steel in delight.
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Post by dill1015 on Feb 9, 2019 17:08:36 GMT
Blaming DOPS for the path hockey (the game in its entirety) has taken? That's a stretch, not sure they have much pull with the NHL & IIHF. Fact is we know much more now about the long term effects of repeated brain injury, the sport was bound to protect itself. That form of the game is gone, and isn't coming back. If you don't like it, I guess you have to move on too. Dops can choose how closely to follow other leagues. They are responsible for the watering down of our league. I am slowly moving on. Too many bland games for me.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 9, 2019 17:27:32 GMT
Blaming DOPS for the path hockey (the game in its entirety) has taken? That's a stretch, not sure they have much pull with the NHL & IIHF. Fact is we know much more now about the long term effects of repeated brain injury, the sport was bound to protect itself. That form of the game is gone, and isn't coming back. If you don't like it, I guess you have to move on too. I’ve already moved on mate. It’s not just DOPS,the NHL or the IIHF that’s spoilt it,it’s also the fault of the whole wrapped in cotton wool,cry baby,who can’t sue next,PC world we live in these days. Things are always far more exciting when there’s a bit of danger involved. Easy to say when it's not your brain on the receiving end.
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Post by iginla on Feb 9, 2019 18:05:17 GMT
I’ve already moved on mate. It’s not just DOPS,the NHL or the IIHF that’s spoilt it,it’s also the fault of the whole wrapped in cotton wool,cry baby,who can’t sue next,PC world we live in these days. Things are always far more exciting when there’s a bit of danger involved. Easy to say when it's not your brain on the receiving end. Maybe so but there are equally dangerous sports that haven’t gone down the watering down route hockey has. I’m watching Italy v Wales rugby right now and it’s far more physical than any EIHL hockey game these days,I’m not seeing any helmets though. I know what it’s like to be within danger of getting badly hurt at sport,cricket was my game and let me tell you it isn’t funny when you’ve got Devon Malcolm or somebody nearly as quick shelling a ball around your ears at 80-90 mph.....and no i didnt ever wear a helmet when i played a high level. Are we going to make rugby players wear helmets soon,stop footballers heading the ball or put a limit on how fast a guy can bowl a cricket ball ? Of course not,so why has hockey been dumbed down,there might be some issues but it’s not as if guys are being seriously injured left right and centre.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 9, 2019 18:37:09 GMT
There's been a ton of stuff about concussions in rugby in recent years, for very similar reasons to the increased awareness in hockey (bigger & faster players). Mandatory concussion checks, players being withdrawn from the game, they've also altered the rules to try and reduce contact to the head & neck area - which sounds familiar. If you really think professional rugby won't do everything it can to prevent these injuries, then you're kidding yourself. Football is almost a non-contact sport these days. Even there you have cases from the old days like Jeff Astle, lifelong and eventually fatal effects from repeated head trauma. Different these days with the lighter football, but there's a lot of discussion about preventing youth players heading the ball, for those exact reasons. Cricket - Although a far less physical sport than the other 3, players altered their equipment in the wake of Phil Hughes' death. If players were being hit in the head and injured more often then they'd be bound to change the rules. I've not seen a batsman face a pace bowler without a helmet for years. This popped up from The Stir today, right on cue: www.thestar.co.uk/sport/ice-hockey/sheffield-steelers/how-concussions-are-a-risk-to-every-ice-hockey-player-and-it-s-not-likely-to-ever-change-1-9580566/ampThings we know now, that we didn't know then, cannot be ignored because people liked the good old days.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 9, 2019 18:50:11 GMT
Moved these into their own thread as it'd rather derailed the other one. If jdizpt8 wouldn't mind posting his Kim Ahlroos nomination over there again, can't split a post.
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 9, 2019 19:50:12 GMT
Period 1 tonight was the perfect example of the modern game on this special anniversary date. Not a bad game of hockey itself but a million miles from what hockey used to be. As ever I tend to see both sides of this. There has to be changes as we learn more about head injuries, but the game is a shadow of it's former self with the lack of physicality. The responsibility lies with the powers that be and the officials to get the balance right. I fear we are currently in a place where players are protected to the point where they are allowed to forget it should be their responsibility to keep their heads up and be aware. Thus creating the dangerous situations where players go for perfectly legal hits and cause injuries due to players not expecting it.
As a side note to that. I think 80% of the players out there tonight would pee their pants should the benches go like 18 years ago.
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Post by jk on Feb 9, 2019 22:26:12 GMT
I will admit I have never been a big fan of fighting. I do like the physical side of it though, a good big hit etc..... but as has been done to death on Rissling/ Mosey, a lot more is known about injuries to players and long term effects. Players DO know what they are getting into once they are on the ice but I suppose it's a bit like racing drivers, they know they can crash and die/ be badly injured at anytime but they rely on their governing body to bring in safety regulations that minimise the risk. Same is happening in hockey.
When I first started watching hockey nearly 36 years ago , I found fights/ bench clearances exciting and fun but as I watched more and got older they became more pantomime and redundant.
I will be honest and much prefer the games now.
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Post by Higgy on Feb 9, 2019 23:02:01 GMT
Fighting is a dying art in hockey, young players aren't expected or trained to do this anymore, this side of the game is vanishing and isn't coming back.
My main gripe is the lack of chippy and nasty edge games now, the players don't seem to hate each other like they used to. I used to love seeing what was happening behind the play and which players were chirping each other but this rarely happens now.
The game is now mirroring society, sanitised, safe and everyone must get along.
It's a shame but as a fan you either adapt or walk away.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Feb 10, 2019 8:28:37 GMT
I remember a day I’d go to a game buy a programme and look through the opposition roster to find the number of their tough guy and just wait until he did something to cause a reaction and a tilt would follow. The game has changed and it is more about speed and skill and players they’re are fewer and fewer being brought through who can fight because it’s not needed at the elite level as much anymore. The other issue is that we have been well and truly spoilt when we signed Cam. His sheer presence on the ice got the fans going, you know he was looking to line someone up for a big hit, his willingness to get straight in the middle of any kind of altercation on the ice and not to mention his ability to throw ‘em. I’m not asking for fights every game I just want a more intense game and players playing for the fans and wanting to beat the opposition one way or another, play the body, mix it up, get under the skin and drive the net and let the other team know that from the minute the puck drops they’re in for a horrible night in the NIC.
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Post by blackpanther2011 on Feb 10, 2019 23:05:05 GMT
Hey folks After being away for so long from the cage, I just wish to post a quick post on your thoughts of the videos posted by hockey_laura of the brawl at the end of Flyers game against Manchester this evening. what I have seen Via the videos, Its jaw dropping that this has happened again and Springer at the forefront of the disgusting behavior. simply madness in my book thoughts?
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Post by Yotes on Feb 10, 2019 23:13:31 GMT
Storm being sore losers? Taking after the coach? Considering all the players were on the ice, seems pretty tame tbh, bit of roughing. I mean, 18 years ago... Did like Dutiaume on the ice at the end, realising who's getting the fine
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Post by kievthegreat on Feb 10, 2019 23:24:43 GMT
Put similar videos on the other teams thread. I reckon they'll be some one match bans for fighting after the game well and truly finishes.
Only really dirty thing I see is Balmer holding back Isaacs, while Springer gives him a big left hook. Not sure DOPS will take that lightly.
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Post by wgray on Feb 10, 2019 23:28:43 GMT
Hey folks After being away for so long from the cage, I just wish to post a quick post on your thoughts of the videos posted by hockey_laura of the brawl at the end of Flyers game against Manchester this evening. what I have seen Via the videos, Its jaw dropping that this has happened again and Springer at the forefront of the disgusting behavior. simply madness in my book thoughts? Personally, I see nothing wrong it, tempers flare and this is a sport with violent players in it. This is nothing. Fife play a chippy game as we’ve experienced with them this season, something will have happened or been said to kick it off and they should have expected this at some point. What I don’t like though is the fact that Stofflett was the only one to stand up to them, aren’t Flyers fans embarrassed of the soft team Dutiaume has built? If that was a Panthers team I’d be ashamed if they didn’t group together and stand up to the Storm. We’ve got some tough players but no matter how tough the opposition is you stand up to them as a team.
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Post by kievthegreat on Feb 10, 2019 23:31:23 GMT
Also wasn't Finnerty warned about controlling his team by DOPS? If it's true his team skated over to the Fife end after handshakes he might be penalised, although maybe him getting banned would help Storm?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 10, 2019 23:35:18 GMT
DOPES are going to be busy this week lol
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Post by iginla on Feb 11, 2019 0:01:00 GMT
Springer has got to expect a ban there for double punching a guy who’s being held by a team mate. The rest of it shouldn’t see any action,but Dops will no doubt see it totally differently.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Feb 13, 2019 19:33:37 GMT
Springer has got to expect a ban there for double punching a guy who’s being held by a team mate. The rest of it shouldn’t see any action,but Dops will no doubt see it totally differently. An apology has appeared on twitter from him. Anything happened regarding Finnerty?
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Post by iginla on Feb 13, 2019 20:18:53 GMT
Springer has got to expect a ban there for double punching a guy who’s being held by a team mate. The rest of it shouldn’t see any action,but Dops will no doubt see it totally differently. An apology has appeared on twitter from him. Anything happened regarding Finnerty? Dane Byers sent a letter in explaining what happened. He said after the handshakes he went back to his own teams end only to find himself alone with all the Fife players as he didn’t realise apparently they do it differently in Fife. And the Fife players wern’t very nice to him so it kicked off. Haha classic. 🤣🤣
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