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Post by iginla on Jan 30, 2019 21:08:22 GMT
It tallies perfectly with what I’ve been telling the Mardiff fans for three days too ! Surely you're not advocating using a still image to prove anything? Don’t be silly Yotes. 😖
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Post by roenick27 on Jan 30, 2019 21:29:55 GMT
There are NHL refs and ex-players disecting it on social media and they all ruled the same as DOPS. In a nutshell, the D-man is fully responsible for his actions. He has a choice to slow down and hold an almost stationary position, which would force the Forward to make a move, the most likely being a collision with the stationary defenceman.
The defenceman could go at the forward at a better angle, forcing him off the pick.
The defenceman could skate to a better position, placing himself between forward, puck and net.
The defenceman could get better position and make a poke check.
The defenceman could get better position and lay on the ice to prevent a shot.
He chose to run through a vulnerable player. Fantastic if this was 1987.
From the NHL, AHL and ECHL, these type of hits are being heavily suspended.
Youth hockey in North America, Scandanavia and the Czech/Slovaks are putting more emphasis on the art of removing a player from the puck, by tecnique and body position simply for the safety aspect.
Times are changing and the sooner that players realise, the better for everybody and their health.
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Post by texpef on Jan 30, 2019 21:35:53 GMT
There are NHL refs and ex-players disecting it on social media and they all ruled the same as DOPS. In a nutshell, the D-man is fully responsible for his actions. He has a choice to slow down and hold an almost stationary position, which would force the Forward to make a move, the most likely being a collision with the stationary defenceman. The defenceman could go at the forward at a better angle, forcing him off the pick. The defenceman could skate to a better position, placing himself between forward, puck and net. The defenceman could get better position and make a poke check. The defenceman could get better position and lay on the ice to prevent a shot. He chose to run through a vulnerable player. Fantastic if this was 1987. From the NHL, AHL and ECHL, these type of hits are being heavily suspended. Youth hockey in North America, Scandanavia and the Czech/Slovaks are putting more emphasis on the art of removing a player from the puck, by tecnique and body position simply for the safety aspect. Times are changing and the sooner that players realise, the better for everybody and their health. Who are these experts from NHL / ex players who state this haven't seen any reports myself but what I have seen is an EX devils player saying he did nothing wrong so hows that for moving with the times... All those options you state are to be chosen in a fraction of a second and Jaylen chose the option to put the player on his back side with what most fans I have seen apart from wales have said is a perfectly good check. Yes it is unfortunate that a player has been injured but those things happen in a contact sport if you don't like it play darts. A previous fan favourite Rees, not a massive fella, with perfectly legal checks finished two players careers now I suppose he should have got multi game bans due to the outcome as well?....
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Post by iginla on Jan 30, 2019 21:36:53 GMT
There are NHL refs and ex-players disecting it on social media and they all ruled the same as DOPS. In a nutshell, the D-man is fully responsible for his actions. He has a choice to slow down and hold an almost stationary position, which would force the Forward to make a move, the most likely being a collision with the stationary defenceman. The defenceman could go at the forward at a better angle, forcing him off the pick. The defenceman could skate to a better position, placing himself between forward, puck and net. The defenceman could get better position and make a poke check. The defenceman could get better position and lay on the ice to prevent a shot. He chose to run through a vulnerable player. Fantastic if this was 1987. From the NHL, AHL and ECHL, these type of hits are being heavily suspended. Youth hockey in North America, Scandanavia and the Czech/Slovaks are putting more emphasis on the art of removing a player from the puck, by tecnique and body position simply for the safety aspect. Times are changing and the sooner that players realise, the better for everybody and their health. Or Mosey could have just kept his head up ! 😆
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 30, 2019 21:38:19 GMT
I love these new posters...
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Post by roenick27 on Jan 30, 2019 21:54:05 GMT
If the ex-Devils player you are referring to is Max Birbraer, then he did infact change his opinion on the issue to side with DOPS, but not the term of suspension.
As for the "keep his head up" comment; again, this is 2019. The whole responsibility is on the defensive player. All of it. This has been demonstrated in recent IIHF tournaments and is well documented in the NHL.
It only takes one hit like this to ruin the life of a person. In the NHL, super skilled guys like Kariya, Lafontaine, Savard etc have had major off ice issues regarding their injuries. Players in the UK have lost their careers too.
As the game gets faster, the emphasis on these hits is even greater. The force of collision is getting bigger.
Whilst the governing bodies across the world are clamping down on these hits, it does not help that fans of whatever club, moan/complain when their guy is the guy that gets suspended.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 30, 2019 22:00:51 GMT
Seems like this one had come with his own high horse as well. Nice.
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Post by texpef on Jan 30, 2019 22:10:23 GMT
If the ex-Devils player you are referring to is Max Birbraer, then he did infact change his opinion on the issue to side with DOPS, but not the term of suspension. Couple of points here I have seen the tweets, he has not changed his mind about the hit at allAs for the "keep his head up" comment; again, this is 2019. The whole responsibility is on the defensive player. All of it. This has been demonstrated in recent IIHF tournaments and is well documented in the NHL. This is again not that simple there is still a responsibility of the attacking player too and also you would think a self preservation thought going through their minds not to put themselves in a position where they could get injured legally or notIt only takes one hit like this to ruin the life of a person. In the NHL, super skilled guys like Kariya, Lafontaine, Savard etc have had major off ice issues regarding their injuries. Players in the UK have lost their careers too. please see previous comment re: Rees, for the record this is not the NHL play is a lot less skilled and ALOT less paced you would think all the players would be more careful including the attacking playersAs the game gets faster, the emphasis on these hits is even greater. The force of collision is getting bigger. You say the game gets faster but this is just not true especially in this league for example the best hockey we have seen on these shores was the ISL and that was over 10 years agoWhilst the governing bodies across the world are clamping down on these hits, it does not help that fans of whatever club, moan/complain when their guy is the guy that gets suspended. Oh so Mardiif fans were not baying for Rissling blood then? Causing a storm and tantrum till they get their own way? Lets not forget all that Voth business and him being sainted in Cardiff?
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Post by roenick27 on Jan 31, 2019 0:16:32 GMT
Go Steelers! Lol
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Post by cjones on Jan 31, 2019 0:35:26 GMT
There are NHL refs and ex-players disecting it on social media and they all ruled the same as DOPS. In a nutshell, the D-man is fully responsible for his actions. He has a choice to slow down and hold an almost stationary position, which would force the Forward to make a move, the most likely being a collision with the stationary defenceman. The defenceman could go at the forward at a better angle, forcing him off the pick. The defenceman could skate to a better position, placing himself between forward, puck and net. The defenceman could get better position and make a poke check. The defenceman could get better position and lay on the ice to prevent a shot. He chose to run through a vulnerable player. Fantastic if this was 1987. From the NHL, AHL and ECHL, these type of hits are being heavily suspended. Youth hockey in North America, Scandanavia and the Czech/Slovaks are putting more emphasis on the art of removing a player from the puck, by tecnique and body position simply for the safety aspect. Times are changing and the sooner that players realise, the better for everybody and their health. Who are these experts from NHL / ex players who state this haven't seen any reports myself but what I have seen is an EX devils player saying he did nothing wrong so hows that for moving with the times... All those options you state are to be chosen in a fraction of a second and Jaylen chose the option to put the player on his back side with what most fans I have seen apart from wales have said is a perfectly good check. Yes it is unfortunate that a player has been injured but those things happen in a contact sport if you don't like it play darts. A previous fan favourite Rees, not a massive fella, with perfectly legal checks finished two players careers now I suppose he should have got multi game bans due to the outcome as well?.... Have you listened to the latest Periscope from Jono Bullard?
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Post by texpef on Jan 31, 2019 1:47:37 GMT
Who are these experts from NHL / ex players who state this haven't seen any reports myself but what I have seen is an EX devils player saying he did nothing wrong so hows that for moving with the times... All those options you state are to be chosen in a fraction of a second and Jaylen chose the option to put the player on his back side with what most fans I have seen apart from wales have said is a perfectly good check. Yes it is unfortunate that a player has been injured but those things happen in a contact sport if you don't like it play darts. A previous fan favourite Rees, not a massive fella, with perfectly legal checks finished two players careers now I suppose he should have got multi game bans due to the outcome as well?.... Have you listened to the latest Periscope from Jono Bullard? No... but again this is just a single opinion of a single fan nothing more... So he has a blog, doesn't make his opinion any more valid than yours or mine does it?
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 31, 2019 8:40:06 GMT
Do you have such detailed opinions on washed up wingers crashing oppo netminders under their coaches instruction?
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Post by jdizpt8 on Jan 31, 2019 8:57:11 GMT
If the ex-Devils player you are referring to is Max Birbraer, then he did infact change his opinion on the issue to side with DOPS, but not the term of suspension. As for the "keep his head up" comment; again, this is 2019. The whole responsibility is on the defensive player. All of it. This has been demonstrated in recent IIHF tournaments and is well documented in the NHL. It only takes one hit like this to ruin the life of a person. In the NHL, super skilled guys like Kariya, Lafontaine, Savard etc have had major off ice issues regarding their injuries. Players in the UK have lost their careers too. As the game gets faster, the emphasis on these hits is even greater. The force of collision is getting bigger. Whilst the governing bodies across the world are clamping down on these hits, it does not help that fans of whatever club, moan/complain when their guy is the guy that gets suspended. Fantastic news someone let all our forwards know they can skate into the offensive zone with their head down waiting for the puck because it’s all on the D man not to hit them. Jesus man it’s ice hockey! What’s the one thing that’s said world wide when someone gets hit, even on the computer games “KEEP YOUR HEAD UP” player advancing into the offensive zone knows he needs to have his head up and be aware of his surroundings. If not your going to get run over and most likely injured! It’s a laugh it’s still being seen as the crime of the year. Mosey skates in as speed with his head down to receive a pass, Rissling comes across and makes a defensive play and checks him. All fair in my eyes and both players will know that too!!
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Post by cjones on Jan 31, 2019 12:32:44 GMT
Have you listened to the latest Periscope from Jono Bullard? No... but again this is just a single opinion of a single fan nothing more... So he has a blog, doesn't make his opinion any more valid than yours or mine does it? No it doesn’t. Just feel like some on here are ridiculing our views as if ‘well they would wouldn’t they. So just trying to bring balance to the discussion, as has your post Thanks
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Post by cjones on Jan 31, 2019 12:40:11 GMT
If the ex-Devils player you are referring to is Max Birbraer, then he did infact change his opinion on the issue to side with DOPS, but not the term of suspension. As for the "keep his head up" comment; again, this is 2019. The whole responsibility is on the defensive player. All of it. This has been demonstrated in recent IIHF tournaments and is well documented in the NHL. It only takes one hit like this to ruin the life of a person. In the NHL, super skilled guys like Kariya, Lafontaine, Savard etc have had major off ice issues regarding their injuries. Players in the UK have lost their careers too. As the game gets faster, the emphasis on these hits is even greater. The force of collision is getting bigger. Whilst the governing bodies across the world are clamping down on these hits, it does not help that fans of whatever club, moan/complain when their guy is the guy that gets suspended. Fantastic news someone let all our forwards know they can skate into the offensive zone with their head down waiting for the puck because it’s all on the D man not to hit them. Jesus man it’s ice hockey! What’s the one thing that’s said world wide when someone gets hit, even on the computer games “KEEP YOUR HEAD UP” player advancing into the offensive zone knows he needs to have his head up and be aware of his surroundings. If not your going to get run over and most likely injured! It’s a laugh it’s still being seen as the crime of the year. Mosey skates in as speed with his head down to receive a pass, Rissling comes across and makes a defensive play and checks him. All fair in my eyes and both players will know that too!! The rules have changed. A player can no longer skate into a check recklessly and try to defend a resultant hit to the head as a byproduct of a hockey play. It is no longer in their arsenal. Those days have gone. ‘There is no such thing as a clean bodycheck to the back, head, or lower body of an opponent.’
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Post by jdizpt8 on Jan 31, 2019 12:43:14 GMT
Fantastic news someone let all our forwards know they can skate into the offensive zone with their head down waiting for the puck because it’s all on the D man not to hit them. Jesus man it’s ice hockey! What’s the one thing that’s said world wide when someone gets hit, even on the computer games “KEEP YOUR HEAD UP” player advancing into the offensive zone knows he needs to have his head up and be aware of his surroundings. If not your going to get run over and most likely injured! It’s a laugh it’s still being seen as the crime of the year. Mosey skates in as speed with his head down to receive a pass, Rissling comes across and makes a defensive play and checks him. All fair in my eyes and both players will know that too!! The rules have changed. A player can no longer skate into a check recklessly and try to defend a resultant hit to the head as a byproduct of a hockey play. It is no longer in their arsenal. Those days have gone. ‘There is no such thing as a clean bodycheck to the back, head, or lower body of an opponent.’ Good job the check wasn’t reckless and was delivered to the shoulder then or he might in some trouble . . .
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Post by cjones on Jan 31, 2019 12:44:56 GMT
The rules have changed. A player can no longer skate into a check recklessly and try to defend a resultant hit to the head as a byproduct of a hockey play. It is no longer in their arsenal. Those days have gone. ‘There is no such thing as a clean bodycheck to the back, head, or lower body of an opponent.’ Good job the check wasn’t reckless and was delivered to the shoulder then or he might in some trouble . . . Lol Shame it was the chin through and up the side of this head Feels like we should be on the Lighting Forum......going around and around and around 😂
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 31, 2019 12:51:18 GMT
Good job the check wasn’t reckless and was delivered to the shoulder then or he might in some trouble . . . Lol Shame it was the chin through and up the side of this head Feels like we should be on the Lighting Forum......going around and around and around 😂 You seem to be trying to convince us of something that none of us can see, again.
You said you weren't/wouldn't be doing this.
In this forum, to I imagine at least 90% of us, it was a clean hit.
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Post by jk on Jan 31, 2019 13:12:52 GMT
Lol Shame it was the chin through and up the side of this head Feels like we should be on the Lighting Forum......going around and around and around 😂 You seem to be trying to convince us of something that none of us can see, again.
You said you weren't/wouldn't be doing this.
In this forum, to I imagine at least 90% of us, it was a clean hit.
Exactly and 90% of Devils fans would be saying it wasn't. Both sides will never agree.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 31, 2019 13:18:22 GMT
You seem to be trying to convince us of something that none of us can see, again.
You said you weren't/wouldn't be doing this.
In this forum, to I imagine at least 90% of us, it was a clean hit.
Exactly and 90% of Devils fans would be saying it wasn't. Both sides will never agree. So why are you both wasting your time in this thread on THE PANTHERS FORUM trying to tell us otherwise...?!
We are here for debate, of course. But you are never going to change our minds on this, no matter how many pretty graphs you can produce.
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Post by jk on Jan 31, 2019 13:24:56 GMT
Exactly and 90% of Devils fans would be saying it wasn't. Both sides will never agree. So why are you both wasting your time in this thread on THE PANTHERS FORUM trying to tell us otherwise...?!
We are here for debate, of course. But you are never going to change our minds on this.
I don't think I am wasting my time , I know it's a Panthers forum. I am also on other teams forums. I am not sure why you posted a reply. I am not trying to change your mind, I haven't been rude/vile. I am just putting a perspective as a Devils fan. Sorry if that annoys you ☹
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 31, 2019 14:16:37 GMT
So why are you both wasting your time in this thread on THE PANTHERS FORUM trying to tell us otherwise...?!
We are here for debate, of course. But you are never going to change our minds on this.
I don't think I am wasting my time , I know it's a Panthers forum. I am also on other teams forums. I am not sure why you posted a reply. I am not trying to change your mind, I haven't been rude/vile. I am just putting a perspective as a Devils fan. Sorry if that annoys you ☹ Ok, carry on. Knock yourself out.
Neither of you are rude/vile. In fact you're presenting interesting arguments.... Completely incorrect, but still interesting.
Just don't expect the majority of us to change our minds, but you already know that.
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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 31, 2019 17:08:50 GMT
Fantastic news someone let all our forwards know they can skate into the offensive zone with their head down waiting for the puck because it’s all on the D man not to hit them. Jesus man it’s ice hockey! What’s the one thing that’s said world wide when someone gets hit, even on the computer games “KEEP YOUR HEAD UP” player advancing into the offensive zone knows he needs to have his head up and be aware of his surroundings. If not your going to get run over and most likely injured! It’s a laugh it’s still being seen as the crime of the year. Mosey skates in as speed with his head down to receive a pass, Rissling comes across and makes a defensive play and checks him. All fair in my eyes and both players will know that too!! The rules have changed. A player can no longer skate into a check recklessly and try to defend a resultant hit to the head as a byproduct of a hockey play. It is no longer in their arsenal. Those days have gone. ‘There is no such thing as a clean bodycheck to the back, head, or lower body of an opponent.’ Why would you open a rulebook and then quote the glossary entry for bodychecking rather than an actual rule? Here's the relevant snippets from the Checking to the head penalty (Rule 124). They focus around when and where contact was made and that's where the debate here is centred around: Where is the first point of contact. If it's his shoulder or chest as many assert, but no footage clearly shows (just like no footage clearly shows the head being hit first), subsequent contact with the head is not an infraction unless the player explodes up, which Rissling doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2019 17:15:13 GMT
If the ex-Devils player you are referring to is Max Birbraer, then he did infact change his opinion on the issue to side with DOPS, but not the term of suspension. As for the "keep his head up" comment; again, this is 2019. The whole responsibility is on the defensive player. All of it. This has been demonstrated in recent IIHF tournaments and is well documented in the NHL. It only takes one hit like this to ruin the life of a person. In the NHL, super skilled guys like Kariya, Lafontaine, Savard etc have had major off ice issues regarding their injuries. Players in the UK have lost their careers too. As the game gets faster, the emphasis on these hits is even greater. The force of collision is getting bigger. Whilst the governing bodies across the world are clamping down on these hits, it does not help that fans of whatever club, moan/complain when their guy is the guy that gets suspended. Fantastic news someone let all our forwards know they can skate into the offensive zone with their head down waiting for the puck because it’s all on the D man not to hit them. Jesus man it’s ice hockey! What’s the one thing that’s said world wide when someone gets hit, even on the computer games “KEEP YOUR HEAD UP” player advancing into the offensive zone knows he needs to have his head up and be aware of his surroundings. If not your going to get run over and most likely injured! It’s a laugh it’s still being seen as the crime of the year. Mosey skates in as speed with his head down to receive a pass, Rissling comes across and makes a defensive play and checks him. All fair in my eyes and both players will know that too!! I'm glad someone has said this.. you can tell it's snowing there's some snowflakes in here too! 🙄
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Post by bobness on Jan 31, 2019 17:55:16 GMT
Here's the relevant snippets from the Checking to the head penalty (Rule 124). They focus around when and where contact was made and that's where the debate here is centred around: Where is the first point of contact. If it's his shoulder or chest as many assert, but no footage clearly shows (just like no footage clearly shows the head being hit first), subsequent contact with the head is not an infraction unless the player explodes up, which Rissling doesn't. At the risk of shouting at the telly... v. There is no evidence at all of contact being body first then "sliding up" to the head or neck. It's a badly worded rule, but IIWII. vi. Mosey was not skating "in the direction of" Rissling. This is the most obvious possible "get out" for Rissling, but it doesn't apply. He's almost skating perpendicular to Rissling. vii. Rissling is not "maintaining his position".
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