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Post by Bagheera on Dec 28, 2018 10:05:13 GMT
The team may well be more stacked than the league winning team but to me the balance of the team is all wrong, the forwards are so similar in style, they try to cycle the puck but do not create anything at the end of it . only one or two of them look like they know where the net is . the defence lacks a true offensive player, the transition game is poor. The team look slow and unable to skate for 60 mins, many look like they have tied their skate laces together. the last few seasons have been dull , this year it is dull beyond belief. After 35 years I no longer want to go . gave up weeks ago. I don't see any play makers or real snipers in this squad. I can't think of any player who excites me and makes me want to pay £20 to watch.I'm afraid it looks like a sad end to a long relationship... Yep, too many similar players. The point I was making wasn't in regards to the group of players themselves but more in response to the fact that some said that team was full of talent and implying this team was cheaper. Knowing what we know now Id take a good chunck of that team over this one. And I may well be heading the same way as you after 20+ years. 😕
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 10:05:32 GMT
For all the people bent out of shape by the disallowed goal, here's the rule. RULE 184 – GOALTENDER AND GOAL CREASE OVERVIEW – The goaltender’s ability to play his position is based on his ability to move freely in his goal crease. Although an attacking skater is allowed to skate through the goal crease, he runs the risk of incurring a penalty or nullifying a goal by doing so. Furthermore, any contact the attacking skater initiates with a goaltender, either directly or by pushing an opponent into the goaltender, also runs the risk of incurring a penalty or nullifying a goal. i. If an attacking skater establishes position in the goal crease, play will be stopped and the ensuing faceoff will take place at the nearest faceoff spot in the neutral zone. ii. An attacking skater who commits a foul on a goaltender, regardless of the goaltender’s ability to play his position or where the puck is being played, will be penalized. iii. If a goaltender is outside his goal crease and an attacking skater prevents the goaltender from returning to his crease or prevents the goaltender from playing his position properly while a goal is scored, the goal will not count and the attacking skater will be assessed a minor penalty for interference. iv. If an attacking skater is in the goal crease and initiates incidental contact with the goaltender, preventing the goaltender from playing his position when the puck enters the net, the goal will not count and no penalty will be assessed. Yeah great but which of these offences actually happened? None of them!! I was there and didn't need any video replay either I wondered what the hell darnell was looking at the video for! It was more legit that Steelers goal on boxing day!
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Post by ant on Dec 28, 2018 10:07:20 GMT
To be honest I don’t care about the goal. This team is out of excuses
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Post by cooperphil156 on Dec 28, 2018 10:07:50 GMT
Moz "I don't see any play makers or real snipers in this squad." The point I have made several times - the likes of Heerema. Oh to see a player with the skill of Jade (but not his attitude)
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Post by texpef on Dec 28, 2018 10:08:35 GMT
So basically Bobness an all encompassing get out clause for any ref that gets it wrong on the night...
There was scarcely any contact whatsoever from the slo mo replays on the TV and the so called impartial commentators all thought it a good goal, clearly the ref got it wrong and was looking for any justification on the replay on the night to back up a decision he had already made rather than look at it impartially himself.
As for the result cannot altogether be blamed on the ref that the team cannot hold a lead... something the club have struggled with a lot this season...
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Post by SteelerBlade on Dec 28, 2018 10:08:42 GMT
For all the people bent out of shape by the disallowed goal, here's the rule. RULE 184 – GOALTENDER AND GOAL CREASE OVERVIEW – The goaltender’s ability to play his position is based on his ability to move freely in his goal crease. Although an attacking skater is allowed to skate through the goal crease, he runs the risk of incurring a penalty or nullifying a goal by doing so. Furthermore, any contact the attacking skater initiates with a goaltender, either directly or by pushing an opponent into the goaltender, also runs the risk of incurring a penalty or nullifying a goal. i. If an attacking skater establishes position in the goal crease, play will be stopped and the ensuing faceoff will take place at the nearest faceoff spot in the neutral zone. ii. An attacking skater who commits a foul on a goaltender, regardless of the goaltender’s ability to play his position or where the puck is being played, will be penalized. iii. If a goaltender is outside his goal crease and an attacking skater prevents the goaltender from returning to his crease or prevents the goaltender from playing his position properly while a goal is scored, the goal will not count and the attacking skater will be assessed a minor penalty for interference. iv. If an attacking skater is in the goal crease and initiates incidental contact with the goaltender, preventing the goaltender from playing his position when the puck enters the net, the goal will not count and no penalty will be assessed.It would appear that the refs thought that Bolduc impeded Climie in some way, by him making contact with Climie while Climie was in the crease. Note that the rule is based on the goalie being prevented from playing his position when the puck goes in, by the in-crease skater-initiated contact. Nothing else matters. The rule also neatly explains why Bolduc didn't get a goalie interference minor as a result. Bolduc made contact. But it was so small that it 100% didn’t stop Climie playing his position. The telling thing for me was that not one Steelers player appealed, not even Climie. We were all at the bench, presumably having a team talk about how to get back level!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 28, 2018 10:08:43 GMT
It might sting a bit but we were just beaten by a better team who were better coached and had much better team spirit and desire to win. From the head office to the fans, it’s in their DNA and much much different to just about everything at Nottingham.
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Post by wgray on Dec 28, 2018 10:08:51 GMT
For all the people bent out of shape by the disallowed goal, here's the rule. RULE 184 – GOALTENDER AND GOAL CREASE OVERVIEW – The goaltender’s ability to play his position is based on his ability to move freely in his goal crease. Although an attacking skater is allowed to skate through the goal crease, he runs the risk of incurring a penalty or nullifying a goal by doing so. Furthermore, any contact the attacking skater initiates with a goaltender, either directly or by pushing an opponent into the goaltender, also runs the risk of incurring a penalty or nullifying a goal. i. If an attacking skater establishes position in the goal crease, play will be stopped and the ensuing faceoff will take place at the nearest faceoff spot in the neutral zone. ii. An attacking skater who commits a foul on a goaltender, regardless of the goaltender’s ability to play his position or where the puck is being played, will be penalized. iii. If a goaltender is outside his goal crease and an attacking skater prevents the goaltender from returning to his crease or prevents the goaltender from playing his position properly while a goal is scored, the goal will not count and the attacking skater will be assessed a minor penalty for interference. iv. If an attacking skater is in the goal crease and initiates incidental contact with the goaltender, preventing the goaltender from playing his position when the puck enters the net, the goal will not count and no penalty will be assessed.It would appear that the refs thought that Bolduc impeded Climie in some way, by him making contact with Climie while Climie was in the crease. Note that the rule is based on the goalie being prevented from playing his position when the puck goes in, by the in-crease skater-initiated contact. Nothing else matters. The rule also neatly explains why Bolduc didn't get a goalie interference minor as a result. The replay I've just looked at on free sports isn’t the best but to me the contact that was made came after Climie had made the save so how is he preventing him from playing his position? Plus the only contact that is made (between his left skate and Bolduc’s right skate) is debatable whether it’s in the crease or not. There are goals given all the time for situations like this and nobody bats any eyelid, it just stinks imo.
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Post by bobness on Dec 28, 2018 10:09:22 GMT
He (Werner, crikey, the thread's gone mad) had a decent CV, but was well travelled (always rings warning bells for some) and came to us from the relative backwater of the Italian second division. A very pleasant surprise for me, bit of a diamond in the rough, as it were.
I remember someone on here saying that Guptill would be an OK 3rd/4th line forward or similar. Some said he'd be pretty good. He's turned out OK, to be fair, league's leading goalscorer and all that. Point a game ECHL players rarely prove to be poor in the EIHL.
Iggy, can I quote you, from when Guptill signed?
"Can’t see any higher than 3rd line for Guptill."
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Post by bobness on Dec 28, 2018 10:11:46 GMT
FWIW, I think it was a very debatable call to disallow the goal too. Just pointing out the rule.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 28, 2018 10:14:22 GMT
FWIW, I think it was a very debatable call to disallow the goal too. Just pointing out the rule. And at the end of the day I don’t believe for a moment that it would have made any difference at all last night.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 10:15:26 GMT
Now the dust has settled we are still a 3rd place team and Steelers a 6th one! The league table doesn't lie. Over 120 minutes Panthers were the better team and had 1 point to show for it. That's what hurt
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 28, 2018 10:15:31 GMT
It might sting a bit but we were just beaten by a better team who were better coached and had much better team spirit and desire to win. From the head office to the fans, it’s in their DNA and much much different to just about everything at Nottingham. This. Laugh at Sheffield all we like but their constant 3rd period success's are no coincidence at all. Can you ever see Panthers rescuing as many games as Steelers do? Absolutely no chance.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 10:16:40 GMT
FWIW, I think it was a very debatable call to disallow the goal too. Just pointing out the rule. And at the end of the day I don’t believe for a moment that it would have made any difference at all last night. That goal is given then Guptil scores to make it 4-2 it's practically game over so it would have made a difference!! A huge one!!
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Post by iginla on Dec 28, 2018 10:17:35 GMT
He (Werner, crikey, the thread's gone mad) had a decent CV, but was well travelled (always rings warning bells for some) and came to us from the relative backwater of the Italian second division. A very pleasant surprise for me, bit of a diamond in the rough, as it were. I remember someone on here saying that Guptill would be an OK 3rd/4th line forward or similar. Some said he'd be pretty good. He's turned out OK, to be fair, league's leading goalscorer and all that. Point a game ECHL players rarely prove to be poor in the EIHL. Iggy, can I quote you, from when Guptill signed? "Can’t see any higher than 3rd line for Guptill." You can quote me yes. Because in my Panthers team Guptill would still be a 3rd liner,because we would have six forwards better than him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 10:17:48 GMT
He (Werner, crikey, the thread's gone mad) had a decent CV, but was well travelled (always rings warning bells for some) and came to us from the relative backwater of the Italian second division. A very pleasant surprise for me, bit of a diamond in the rough, as it were. I remember someone on here saying that Guptill would be an OK 3rd/4th line forward or similar. Some said he'd be pretty good. He's turned out OK, to be fair, league's leading goalscorer and all that. Point a game ECHL players rarely prove to be poor in the EIHL. Iggy, can I quote you, from when Guptill signed? "Can’t see any higher than 3rd line for Guptill." 😂😂
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 28, 2018 10:18:47 GMT
Now the dust has settled we are still a 3rd place team and Steelers a 6th one! The league table doesn't lie. Over 120 minutes Panthers were the better team and had 1 point to show for it. That's what hurt We weren't the better team last night, Pidge. There was a sense of inevitability about that 3rd period.
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 28, 2018 10:19:31 GMT
And at the end of the day I don’t believe for a moment that it would have made any difference at all last night. That goal is given then Guptil scores to make it 4-2 it's practically game over so it would have made a difference!! A huge one!! If the first counted we wouldn't have scored the 4th.
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Post by wgray on Dec 28, 2018 10:20:20 GMT
It might sting a bit but we were just beaten by a better team who were better coached and had much better team spirit and desire to win. From the head office to the fans, it’s in their DNA and much much different to just about everything at Nottingham. I have to disagree, I didn’t think that they were better than us last night. I didn’t watch that game last night thinking wow how are we keeping up with them. Defensive errors and failure to convert our chances cost us the game. We crumble under pressure when we have a lead, we are leaderless and make stupid decisions and mistakes. They aren’t a better team than us though and the league positions back that up. The team spirit and desire I can agree with but that again stems from leadership.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 10:22:30 GMT
That goal is given then Guptil scores to make it 4-2 it's practically game over so it would have made a difference!! A huge one!! If the first counted we wouldn't have scored the 4th. Explain
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 28, 2018 10:31:09 GMT
If the first counted we wouldn't have scored the 4th. Explain Well I really shouldn't need to for a man of your clear intelligence but here goes. The original goal stands, as it should have, then we are 3-2 up & Sheffield up a gear just like when we actually wen't 3-2 up. It's just like in any sport, the next goal changes the complexion of the game. You can't say Panthers would have gone 4-2 up, the same as I can't say they wouldn't but the pattern of the game, the spinelessness of Panthers & the durability/belief of Steelers leads me to believe the 4th wouldn't have occurred.
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Post by iginla on Dec 28, 2018 10:35:22 GMT
If the first counted we wouldn't have scored the 4th. Explain We may have then scored a 5th and a 6th too. Each decision made changes every other ensuing play that happens next.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 10:48:07 GMT
We may have then scored a 5th and a 6th too. Each decision made changes every other ensuing play that happens next. Each major decision in any sport changes the course of the game.. just because Steelers have been a strong 3rd period team against us doesn't mean that trend will automatically resume. Anyone who doesn't think that was a huge turning point needs to give their heads a wobble. I watched around the ice and their body language changed dramatically and their look of disbelief at the cockney who washed out the goal. It's makes it worse when they don't even get mic'ed up to explain why it was washed out
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Post by bobness on Dec 28, 2018 10:52:23 GMT
He (Werner, crikey, the thread's gone mad) had a decent CV, but was well travelled (always rings warning bells for some) and came to us from the relative backwater of the Italian second division. A very pleasant surprise for me, bit of a diamond in the rough, as it were. I remember someone on here saying that Guptill would be an OK 3rd/4th line forward or similar. Some said he'd be pretty good. He's turned out OK, to be fair, league's leading goalscorer and all that. Point a game ECHL players rarely prove to be poor in the EIHL. Iggy, can I quote you, from when Guptill signed? "Can’t see any higher than 3rd line for Guptill." You can quote me yes. Because in my Panthers team Guptill would still be a 3rd liner,because we would have six forwards better than him. You're a scream, you should be on telly. Black should just get his wallet out and sign this motley collection of hasbeens and never-wases. www.eliteprospects.com/team/75/tampa-bay-lightningJust buy them all out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 11:10:11 GMT
We may have then scored a 5th and a 6th too. Each decision made changes every other ensuing play that happens next. Each major decision in any sport changes the course of the game.. just because Steelers have been a strong 3rd period team against us doesn't mean that trend will automatically resume. Anyone who doesn't think that was a huge turning point needs to give their heads a wobble. I watched around the ice and their body language changed dramatically and their look of disbelief at the cockney who washed out the goal. It's makes it worse when they don't even get mic'ed up to explain why it was washed out I couldn't disagree more. Our reaction to being conned out of a goal was fantastic, I was proud of the team for the way the bounced back to get the go ahead goal. Its what happened after that is what was the biggest disgrace of the night. If some fans want to hide this team behind one poor refereeing decision then fair enough but I can tell you now that that won't change the fact that this is a 3rd/4th place team(at best) come the end of the season and one poor Darnell moment won't change that, look at the bigger problems. If that's fine for you then enjoy the rest of your season, many will. "We get the club we deserve" Rob Scott
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