nottinghamsenator
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Post by nottinghamsenator on Oct 1, 2018 21:38:57 GMT
Simms has actually put a lengthy post out on Facebook about it. It’s absolutely chock full of cliches and soundbytes and if he left so personal reasons, how can Simms blame the fans who “attacked” him for leaving? Absolutely needless Saga.
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Post by iginla on Oct 1, 2018 21:45:19 GMT
Simms has actually put a lengthy post out on Facebook about it. It’s absolutely chock full of cliches and soundbytes and if he left so personal reasons, how can Simms blame the fans who “attacked” him for leaving? Absolutely needless Saga. Anybody who’s bothered about what people say on social media about them shouldn’t take on a high pressure job like the Steelers in the first place. There is only one person to blame for his demise and that’s Thommo himself for recruiting incredibly badly.
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Post by texpef on Oct 1, 2018 22:02:27 GMT
And they have still won the league more times than panthers who have had the one coach.... If it took several coaches to win multiple league titles then so be it...
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Post by iginla on Oct 1, 2018 22:23:06 GMT
And they have still won the league more times than panthers who have had the one coach.... If it took several coaches to win multiple league titles then so be it... No that’s not true about Panthers coaches. In the 15 years that Steelers have had 11 coaches Panthers have had 5 if you count the very recent Chernomaz. Adey Blaisdell Ellis Neilson Chernomaz
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Post by texpef on Oct 1, 2018 22:45:17 GMT
and in the laat 10 years we have had one.. whats your point?
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Post by iginla on Oct 1, 2018 23:39:54 GMT
and in the laat 10 years we have had one.. whats your point? I know we only had one coach in ten years. No particular point,just pointing out we were talking the last 15 years or basically the EIHL era. Difference between the two teams is one tries to change things when it goes wrong and the other tends not to.
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Post by Mozzy on Oct 2, 2018 0:08:15 GMT
If you were a hockey coach you would have to be very wary of taking the Steelers job wouldn’t you bearing in mind all the different coaches that have come and gone in the last fifteen or so years and with all the trouble and shenanigans that follows the Steelers around. I may have missed a couple but who have they had in the coaches hot seat in that time ? Mike Blaisdell Dennis Maxwell Paul Heavey Dave Whistle Dave Matsos Doug Christiansen Ryan Finnerty Gerald Adams Paul Thompson That’s a heck of a list over not many seasons,don’t think it’s a job I’d be considering if i was a coach ! Good to add a bit of context to the list - Blaisdell - Final year as coach (1st year EIHL) - his choice to stay in Canada. Maxwell - Should never have been appointed Paul Heavey - As above Rob Stewart - Third coach in one season - always difficult replacing such a successful coach as Blaisdell was. Dave Whistle - Gave back word - his choice Dave Matsos - Relatively successful in trophies but his style of play was killing the crowds - yawnfest. Big Doug - Same as Matsos - his teams were just very dreary to watch. Finnerty - player coach - puts exciting teams together but has a tendancy to be a bottler......although another couple of years in Sheffield may have changed that. Gerad Adams - Best since Blaisdell. Proved himself in a struggling Cardiff, then had great success in Sheffield. Moved aside for no reason!! Thompson - Vastly experienced but past his sell by date - the league has moved on. Looking at you guys, with Neilson. Lot's of cups but just one league title in that time. He would have been moved on in Sheffield too. The league title is the trophy, the others are sideshows. As for not wanting the job if you were a coach, why not? Lot's of pressure but isn't there always pressure at big clubs. You do it right then you become a legend (ala Blaisdell). Only coaches that don't believe in their own ability would be put off by the pressure. The positives and adulation far outweigh the potential negatives. Big job for Tony Smith to find the right man to compliment the great strides we have made off the ice with on ice success.
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Post by wasteoftime on Oct 2, 2018 5:03:23 GMT
Was it the Blaisdell era when you won most things by breaking the wage cap on a consistent basis, then coming round with the begging bowls?
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Post by Big Popper on Oct 2, 2018 5:54:28 GMT
Thommo was asked what he thought of his time at steelers, his reply; "Whoosh - it's behind me"
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Post by wgray on Oct 2, 2018 7:21:02 GMT
If you were a hockey coach you would have to be very wary of taking the Steelers job wouldn’t you bearing in mind all the different coaches that have come and gone in the last fifteen or so years and with all the trouble and shenanigans that follows the Steelers around. I may have missed a couple but who have they had in the coaches hot seat in that time ? Mike Blaisdell Dennis Maxwell Paul Heavey Dave Whistle Dave Matsos Doug Christiansen Ryan Finnerty Gerald Adams Paul Thompson That’s a heck of a list over not many seasons,don’t think it’s a job I’d be considering if i was a coach ! Good to add a bit of context to the list - Blaisdell - Final year as coach (1st year EIHL) - his choice to stay in Canada. Maxwell - Should never have been appointed Paul Heavey - As above Rob Stewart - Third coach in one season - always difficult replacing such a successful coach as Blaisdell was. Dave Whistle - Gave back word - his choice Dave Matsos - Relatively successful in trophies but his style of play was killing the crowds - yawnfest. Big Doug - Same as Matsos - his teams were just very dreary to watch. Finnerty - player coach - puts exciting teams together but has a tendancy to be a bottler......although another couple of years in Sheffield may have changed that. Gerad Adams - Best since Blaisdell. Proved himself in a struggling Cardiff, then had great success in Sheffield. Moved aside for no reason!! Thompson - Vastly experienced but past his sell by date - the league has moved on. Looking at you guys, with Neilson. Lot's of cups but just one league title in that time. He would have been moved on in Sheffield too. The league title is the trophy, the others are sideshows. As for not wanting the job if you were a coach, why not? Lot's of pressure but isn't there always pressure at big clubs. You do it right then you become a legend (ala Blaisdell). Only coaches that don't believe in their own ability would be put off by the pressure. The positives and adulation far outweigh the potential negatives. Big job for Tony Smith to find the right man to compliment the great strides we have made off the ice with on ice success. Mozzy, do you think that the team you have now will be miraculously better with a new coach? Do you think the players that have been recruited are good enough?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 7:34:54 GMT
Good to add a bit of context to the list - Blaisdell - Final year as coach (1st year EIHL) - his choice to stay in Canada. Maxwell - Should never have been appointed Paul Heavey - As above Rob Stewart - Third coach in one season - always difficult replacing such a successful coach as Blaisdell was. Dave Whistle - Gave back word - his choice Dave Matsos - Relatively successful in trophies but his style of play was killing the crowds - yawnfest. Big Doug - Same as Matsos - his teams were just very dreary to watch. Finnerty - player coach - puts exciting teams together but has a tendancy to be a bottler......although another couple of years in Sheffield may have changed that. Gerad Adams - Best since Blaisdell. Proved himself in a struggling Cardiff, then had great success in Sheffield. Moved aside for no reason!! Thompson - Vastly experienced but past his sell by date - the league has moved on. Looking at you guys, with Neilson. Lot's of cups but just one league title in that time. He would have been moved on in Sheffield too. The league title is the trophy, the others are sideshows. As for not wanting the job if you were a coach, why not? Lot's of pressure but isn't there always pressure at big clubs. You do it right then you become a legend (ala Blaisdell). Only coaches that don't believe in their own ability would be put off by the pressure. The positives and adulation far outweigh the potential negatives. Big job for Tony Smith to find the right man to compliment the great strides we have made off the ice with on ice success. Mozzy, do you think that the team you have now will be miraculously better with a new coach? Do you think the players that have been recruited are good enough? I ll answer that. They may try harder but the players they have are well short on quality and character not even close to that of Cardiff and Nottingham. Also going on past coaches with the exception of one they have all had connections to this league .. so it's pretty obvious where there next coach will come from
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Post by Pies on Oct 2, 2018 8:30:01 GMT
I love the old boys club jumping all over Twitter damning the fans for putting the pressure on? Simms has put pressure on every other coach through the years and now it’s his mate, it’s wrong?!
And then Seth Bennett saying Thommo could coach SHL or DEL - dont make me laugh!
No ill will to Thommo but the outpouring of grief is OTT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 8:44:59 GMT
That's why Simms will advise Tony to appoint someone with previous EIHL connections so he can manipulate him and put pressure on him if things are going Pete tong. A coach externally will just shoot Simms down and make him look the fool he is.
Lastly Thommo is no where near SEL or DEL level... he's barely EIHL anymore .. awful coach and even worse recruiter
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Post by Yotes on Oct 2, 2018 8:50:28 GMT
Suppose recruitment - which seems his biggest weakness - would be taken away from him in a different league, with more of a normal GM/coach setup. Presume that's what Corey's working with now, for example.
But yes, doubt they'll be queuing up.
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Post by nottinghamsenator on Oct 2, 2018 9:22:23 GMT
I love the old boys club jumping all over Twitter damning the fans for putting the pressure on? Simms has put pressure on every other coach through the years and now it’s his mate, it’s wrong?! And then Seth Bennett saying Thommocould coach SHLor DEL - dont make me laugh! No ill will to Thonmo but the outpouring of grief is OTT His Spell in the Allsvenskan demonstrated the huge gap between the EIHL and the major leagues of Europe. His team, Troja Lungby finished about 15 points adrift from the team just outside the relegation playoff zone, and then he proceeded finish below a team in the Third tier of Swedish hockey. To say that he could coach in the SHL, above the level he failed at originally, is pure propaganda. He was a good solid coach in a low budget import league. Give him a team full of domestic players and evidently he struggled. Then his season in Denmark he got a first round playoff defeat with a team that is now a regular in the CHL. He's not Scott Bowman, and the amount of drivel being pandered about his departure caused by this so called "resistance" that according to his supporters didn't have valid opinions is covering up for the fact the Steelers have gone backwards on the ice under him. I understand a lot of Bennett's points centered around development and youth players. I don't get why walking away from the Steelers precludes him from continuing this?
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Post by iginla on Oct 2, 2018 10:39:04 GMT
The Steelers create the pressure themselves or at least Simms does,he’s their worst enemy. They spout all this ridiculous crap about “winning being in their DNA”, being the biggest and best,the No1 team in British hockey and being a “winning family” etc etc and then when it goes horribly wrong and they lose games they blame their fans for rightly getting upset. Steelers have always indoctrinated their own fans to expect winning and success then turn on the same fans for not being happy at loss after loss. Best thing Tony Smith can do is bullet Simms now and get rid of the whole culture once and for all. The Steelers and Thommo have got what they deserved here and Simmsey can spout all he likes but he is one of the main reasons they will always be a poisoned chalice.
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Post by nottinghamsenator on Oct 2, 2018 10:59:09 GMT
The Steelers create the pressure themselves or at least Simms does,he’s their worst enemy. They spout all this ridiculous crap about “winning being in their DNA”, being the biggest and best,the No1 team in British hockey and being a “winning family” etc etc and then when it goes horribly wrong and they lose games they blame their fans for rightly getting upset. Steelers have always indoctrinated their own fans to expect winning and success then turn on the same fans for not being happy at loss after loss. Best thing Tony Smith can do is bullet Simms now and get rid of the whole culture once and for all. The Steelers and Thommo have got what they deserved here and Simmsey can spout all he likes but he is one of the main reasons they will always be a poisoned chalice. Absolutely bang on, the line now being peddled is that Thompson was going to make the Steelers some kind of self sufficient British player behemoth at the cost of immediate success and that the fans on his back have sabotaged a team of potential Tony Hands. Completely at odds with what was stated when they conducted their squad purge in April, which was to win titles and trophies.
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Post by PantherB on Oct 2, 2018 11:11:23 GMT
Thompson deserves a lot of credit for his career so far in the EIHL and the balls to take a jump into coaching overseas, in Scandinavia. I don't think that is something that can be argued.
He won 2 trophies during his time in Sheffield. The League and Playoffs. The League trophy is undoubtedly the most worthy of praise, but if I remember correctly the season they won the Playoffs they weren't exactly superb and simply managed to play well in a couple games.
I've seen a lot of people give Thompson full credit for being the sole reason Liam Kirk got drafted, and for developing Kieran Brown amongst others. I disagree. He undoubtedly assisted in their development but both players were 4th line at the max over the last two seasons, and the season before last they both split it between Sheffield and the EPL. With Brown actually spending his most important years developing in the USA. Thompson pushed them to further their development, without a doubt but he cannot be given full accreditation for getting Kirk drafted and Brown becoming a very hot prospect. Kirk's tweet to Steelers in response to the news comes off as the most generic 'thanks, bye' type response too.
Besides a few years of domination with Blaze when the league was pretty awful, Thompson hasn't had a great deal of success. I don't think his coaching level in the UK is suitable for a top team anymore, as others have suggested. Perhaps a return to Blaze would be the most ideal situation. But on the other hand, whilst I don't attribute Kirk and Brown's development entirely to him, Thompson has been coach and GM over a long period of time and a lot of players have grown into EIHL players during that period, where his impact is likely ten fold that of the last couple of years. So, perhaps finding some kind of player development job would suit him well also. Scandinavia and North America have a lot of those type of roles, Big Doug was obviously a figure head for the USHL for a little while and there are many, many junior leagues in North America and Scandinavia so there's probably plenty of places he could end up.
Once the EIHA/SIHA/NIHL/EIHL get their act together in regards to player development, that could perhaps be something Thompson sits at or near the top of too.
The most ridiculous thing in the whole saga is that people think the pressure people put Thompson under was unjust. It's allegedly 'professional' sports where nothing but results matter. If you don't get the results expected of a top team, the patience cannot be long winded. Some criticism was more than likely over the top and perhaps too personal at times but you're in the wrong industry if you can't handle the pressure and see what's best for the organisation which employs you. He hasn't died. He's failed and he's paid the price for it. I'm sure he is a lovely guy but that doesn't and never will change the fact that he simply failed. Failure doesn't mean his career is over either, you dust down and move on, try to build upon the failures. All of these Steelers associates and members of their old boys club seem to be forgetting the fact that Steelers is a business and without fans, they wouldn't exist. To keep fans happy, you need good results and success. He failed to provide, he paid the price. Simple as. So to me, all of these long threads on twitter and Facebook defending Thompson are simply ridiculous. If there is one person who thought his time as coach ended prematurely then they're an idiot. The old boys club style mentality is more than likely what kept him in a job for so long, he probably wouldn't have resigned if it wasn't for the vastly growing discontent and anger amongst Steelers fans, but that could have easily have been avoided if he took the jump maybe a couple or three weeks earlier.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 2, 2018 11:37:56 GMT
Who cares? He was a coach and it was his job to win. A coach is only as good as his last game. It's sport not a social club for EIHL luvvies surly by now?
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Post by Walitzer on Oct 2, 2018 13:16:45 GMT
Then his season in Denmark he got a first round playoff defeat with a team that is now a regular in the CHL. And the top-scorer for Aalborg Pirates that year?
Small world.
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Post by Discoray on Oct 2, 2018 15:25:35 GMT
I love the old boys club jumping all over Twitter damning the fans for putting the pressure on? Simms has put pressure on every other coach through the years and now it’s his mate, it’s wrong?! And then Seth Bennett saying Thommo could coach SHL or DEL - dont make me laugh! No ill will to Thommo but the outpouring of grief is OTT My only question is where was all this outpouring of sympathy and emotion after binning Adams?
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 2, 2018 17:11:34 GMT
I love the old boys club jumping all over Twitter damning the fans for putting the pressure on? Simms has put pressure on every other coach through the years and now it’s his mate, it’s wrong?! And then Seth Bennett saying Thommo could coach SHL or DEL - dont make me laugh! No ill will to Thommo but the outpouring of grief is OTT My only question is where was all this outpouring of sympathy and emotion after binning Adams? Top post this. Someone should go back & find Simms' outpouring when Adam's was dismissed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2018 17:22:03 GMT
It's laughable all the 'figures' on Twitter trying to defend Thommo 😂
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Post by BigLad on Oct 2, 2018 17:35:46 GMT
Paul Dixon to replace him anyone?
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 2, 2018 18:24:01 GMT
Anybody else think Danny Stewart may be looking for a new job next year?
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