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Post by simonm on Feb 13, 2018 19:14:30 GMT
Yeh but Panthers are the first British team to win at home, away and top their CHL group..... You think players wouldnt raise their game.
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 13, 2018 19:32:25 GMT
Yeh but Panthers are the first British team to win at home, away and top their CHL group..... You think players wouldnt raise their game. Thats this season, what about previous ones? As Yotes says, guff about teams upping their game when they play the Panthers comes straight from the Gary Moran excuse book. If anything Sheffield are the team everyone loves to hate, and beat. What is so amazing about beating the Panthers, a team who season after season beat themselves?
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Post by simonm on Feb 13, 2018 20:03:05 GMT
Have you looked up at the crowd ?
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Post by iginla on Feb 13, 2018 20:20:03 GMT
I guess I just see it differently to most of you then. I'm looking for a change of remit on the coaches to make the league our top priority. Not with just talk but with actions and money available. If we accept that Cory might be onto something in that opposition players raise their game as it's the NIC and Nottingham is the team to beat. Then we don't just need players who are on a par with then but are simply better. Such that when the opposition are playing at 110% for the 3 or 4 times a season that they play at the NIC. Our players can have off days and still win. I also would never call for a Panthers hall of famer, a person who's shirt hangs from the rafters to be sacked. And sacked for what I can tell is doing exactly what his boss has asked him to do ! The same with Moran, I don't have to like him, but I can't see what he's done that his boss should sack him. All I'd like is for Black to come to a better understanding of just what the supporters of this club expect of its coaches, players and owner. He either accepts the symbiotic relationship he has with the supporters or be prepared to face the consequences. I'm not going to shout derogatory comments or boo a Panthers coach or player, but if it makes anyone feel a bigger man\woman then by all means but I'd be surprised if that has any impact. Get a sizable quantity of supporters very politely standing up at a designated time, with a non aggressive chant and then hopefully more people rising to their feet when they come to realise what it's about and it might dawn on Black that the supporters mean business. But I reckon there's no hope and Bob hope of people around here seeing the difference. A couple of points Simon. Firstly,it wasn't Corey who suggested we needed a team to offset the opposition raising their game and us needing better players to counter it etc etc.....it was me ! Secondly,Neilson is NOT doing what his boss wanted. His boss stated publicly at the Q+A that we would be "laser focused" on the league this year. He has also stated previously that the league is the most important thing. Therefore Corey has NOT done his job,in fact he has got it so appallingly wrong for years now it is quite laughable how he is still our coach. Seventh in the league and bottom of our conference cannot be classed as doing what your boss wanted.....unless Black was telling lies ! And thirdly,please lose the notion of people standing up to protest. I'm at the front of the queue if it comes to protest,but you don't need to stand up to do it,unless it's at the end of the game.
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Post by simonm on Feb 13, 2018 20:32:07 GMT
It wasn't my intention to say Cory suggested anything but that Nottingham is Nottingham. Having a better team than par was MY idea. If you'd previously said it and I missed it or subconsciously repeated it, then if nothing else we are in agreement.
Secondly.... You give Black too much credit for telling you everything you wanted to hear. If he was genuinely not getting what he wants from his employees I'm sure as a businessman he'd sack their sorry bum.
Thirdly, if you'd read my post i said there was bob hope and no hope of it happening.... How clear would you like me to be.
By all means come up with your own suggestion for a protest that gets people signed up for it.... Maybe a meet in old market square ?
But whatever you do don't inconvenience fellow supporters watching a poor game, they need to be able to watch it so as they can come in here latter and moan about it.
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Post by Mark on Feb 13, 2018 20:39:42 GMT
“Symbiotic Relationship.” That does not exist. Black and Moran barely acknowledge the fans.
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Post by simonm on Feb 13, 2018 20:42:54 GMT
Well frankly if this forum is representative of the supporter base I don't blame em.
A divided community, without the will to unite
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Post by ted logan on Feb 13, 2018 21:23:12 GMT
Uh-oh, looks like Simon is looking for an argument again. Bless him.
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Post by mardibum on Feb 13, 2018 21:33:06 GMT
I really do feel your frustration, Simon! I agree though that there is NO relationship between Black, Moran and the fans. I hope, and almost believe, that Black is aware of this debacle of a season and will do something, although I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s some sort of cheap option.
I have had a couple of close dealings with Moran and heard of countless others. The guy is universally disliked. I have heard that from both major sponsors and player sponsors. He is arrogant and dismissive. His prescence at the club has deterred lots of players from returning, and, I assume, from even coming here if they’ve listened to the player grapevine. He is definitely not an asset, and the sooner Mrs. M drags him off to France the better!
Back to the protest! I’m afraid you will never be able to motivate enough supporters to make an organised protest. I don’t think hard-core Nottingham fans have changed much in the 28 years I’ve been watching. They’re very knowledgeable, but usually quiet, prone to complain but not do much.
I think that if there’s any sort of protest it will be a spontaneous one. If Cardiff humiliate us on Saturday, someone may start some sort of chant .... for change, Neilson out, or whatever, and people will probably join in. After all, plenty join in the booing (which I don’t particularly like.) I hope that if that happens it IS something specific rather than just booing the team.
Personally, being an old agitator, I would love to see some sort of “ultra” block, official or unofficial, without the violent connotations that ultras have in football. But ... I think even that was tried some years ago and was scuppered by the management’s attitude.
Oh God! ... anybody got a razor!
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Post by Yotes on Feb 13, 2018 21:51:34 GMT
...the sooner Mrs. M drags him off to France the better! Yeah, best get him out of here before Brexit. Be just our luck he won't be allowed to leave!
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Post by iginla on Feb 13, 2018 22:00:31 GMT
I really do feel your frustration, Simon! I agree though that there is NO relationship between Black, Moran and the fans. I hope, and almost believe, that Black is aware of this debacle of a season and will do something, although I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s some sort of cheap option. I have had a couple of close dealings with Moran and heard of countless others. The guy is universally disliked. I have heard that from both major sponsors and player sponsors. He is arrogant and dismissive. His prescence at the club has deterred lots of players from returning, and, I assume, from even coming here if they’ve listened to the player grapevine. He is definitely not an asset, and the sooner Mrs. M drags him off to France the better! Back to the protest! I’m afraid you will never be able to motivate enough supporters to make an organised protest. I don’t think hard-core Nottingham fans have changed much in the 28 years I’ve been watching. They’re very knowledgeable, but usually quiet, prone to complain but not do much. I think that if there’s any sort of protest it will be a spontaneous one. If Cardiff humiliate us on Saturday, someone may start some sort of chant .... for change, Neilson out, or whatever, and people will probably join in. After all, plenty join in the booing (which I don’t particularly like.) I hope that if that happens it IS something specific rather than just booing the team. Personally, being an old agitator, I would love to see some sort of “ultra” block, official or unofficial, without the violent connotations that ultras have in football. But ... I think even that was tried some years ago and was scuppered by the management’s attitude. Oh God! ... anybody got a razor! Good post. If Panthers get thumped again on Saturday I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see a chant or two kick off and catch on. And if we don’t win the play offs I think Neilson will be gone one way or another. Unfortunately,as you say,the cheap option will then kick in and we will end up with Clarkey as coach. 🙄
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Post by messier1851 on Feb 14, 2018 4:35:52 GMT
Not many coaches would survive 7 wins in the last 22 league games. That's abysmal.
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Post by messier1851 on Feb 14, 2018 7:15:06 GMT
Not many coaches would survive 7 wins in the last 22 league games. That's abysmal. We have played .500 hockey for the last 30 league games. We have one player in the top 50 point scorers in the league. Even Edinburgh have two.
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Post by shinobi on Feb 14, 2018 8:07:04 GMT
Not many coaches would survive 7 wins in the last 22 league games. That's abysmal. Pat Burns got fired from the Leafs in 1996 when the team only won 3 in 20 + games! I don’t like witch hunts & the club have won a lot of silverware under him, but Neilson’s position is untenable given the consistently poor results league wise since 2012-13. He’d be on a hiding to nothing if he comes back next season as bench coach.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 8:40:39 GMT
He isn't a very good coach.. never has been .. now he's being found out and by rookie coaches too . The sooner he's put out of his misery the better!
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Post by shinobi on Feb 14, 2018 8:56:23 GMT
He isn't a very good coach.. never has been .. now he's being found out and by rookie coaches too . The sooner he's put out of his misery the better! Probably be replaced by Clarke knowing the brain trust at Panther Towers.
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Post by shinobi on Feb 14, 2018 12:02:51 GMT
He isn't a very good coach.. never has been .. now he's being found out and by rookie coaches too . The sooner he's put out of his misery the better! Probably be replaced by Clarke knowing the brain trust at Panther Towers. TIck tick tick tick given the news
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Post by spik on Feb 15, 2018 14:07:11 GMT
My thumbs are wrapped round my little lad at home.When things get better I may consider coming to a few games.Tick tick tick....
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Post by Sheetmaself on Feb 15, 2018 14:17:43 GMT
On the understanding that there is a clear message given out by the club that next year and subsequent years will be different i would prefer they didnt do anything this season, or at least anything which costs money.
Lets cut this season as a loss save the money, spend it next season for a serious assault on the league.
Even if this meant that we slip back and dont make the Playoffs so be it.
If the club signed up to this i pledge that i will still turn up to games as a non season ticket holder who still makes it to most games so you will get my money for the test of the season. If you take the wee wee out of me and continue to try and convince you really are trying and that it’s purely a run of bad luck you wont get another penny.
Your choice Mr Black.
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Post by texpef on Feb 15, 2018 14:35:21 GMT
that aint going to happen though Kazste, all that will happen in that scenario is more money in the bank for the club. IF i was in charge i would make changes now (although would have made them ages ago) to me it feels like the CN announcement was a way for the club to do what they are good at.... doing nothing...
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Post by Sheetmaself on Feb 15, 2018 14:39:04 GMT
that aint going to happen though Kazste, all that will happen in that scenario is more money in the bank for the club. IF i was in charge i would make changes now (although would have made them ages ago) to me it feels like the CN announcement was a way for the club to do what they are good at.... doing nothing... Sadly i know your right. How about selling me the club then Mr Black and let me take a crack at it? Serious question as you know.
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Post by Mark on Feb 15, 2018 14:44:37 GMT
In my opinion the timing of the announcement about Neilson is to try and deflect attention from the dreadful results we've been having. We're still shy of two defencemen, and defence has been a real issue. Where are the replacements for Brisbois and Spang? "Backed Neilson to the hilt" the press release said. In his defence that's cobblers.
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Post by iginla on Feb 15, 2018 14:55:41 GMT
In my opinion the timing of the announcement about Neilson is to try and deflect attention from the dreadful results we've been having. We're still shy of two defencemen, and defence has been a real issue. Where are the replacements for Brisbois and Spang? "Backed Neilson to the hilt" the press release said. In his defence that's cobblers. That's true. Mosey is still missing with an apparently broken hand too. If Panthers are backing Neilson to the hilt,there needs to be at least one signing by 23.59 tonight. If not it was a lie !
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Post by Flying Viking on Feb 16, 2018 14:13:21 GMT
I think "we want change" or something more generic than 1 persons name may gain the most support should chanting be the way you want to go. The problem with Black out/Neilson out/Moran out individually is that not all people will be frustrated at the same person. Some will be Black Out. Some will be Moran out And some will be Neilson out. Others may be a combination of 2 of the 3, and some all 3. If you started "Black out" you may only find 1/3 of the digruntled fans joining in as the other 2/3 may simply be Corey out. "We want Change" may bring all the different opinions together in one voice. So we go for the binary option. One option is no change. The other option is some kind of undefined change that everyone feels is needed, but no one really knows what the majority actually want, and when we get it, it won't be what people thought they wanted, even though they were certain what they thought they wanted. That won't go wrong. Call it "Blexit".
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 16, 2018 14:41:44 GMT
"What do we want?"
"Don't know..."
"When do we want it?"
"Meh..."
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