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Post by tootootrain on Feb 13, 2018 15:07:31 GMT
I almost don’t want to go in hard on this lady but coming from someone who constantly fishes for likes and retweet’s by the club on Twitter I knew it wouldn’t be a balanced piece before I read it. Lisa and I have had differences of opinion on Twitter before. She has tried to block me for daring to disagree with her.
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 13, 2018 15:10:59 GMT
Guys, this has prompted the most conversation than any of our blogs from The Cage community... does anyone fancy writing an opposite piece? "An opposite piece"? I'm a little confused. How can someone write an opposite piece to what you described as... Surely, by definition, a balanced piece takes in all views, rather than just one side?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 13, 2018 15:11:27 GMT
Guys, this has prompted the most conversation than any of our blogs from The Cage community... does anyone fancy writing an opposite piece? I’m watching all of the feedback at the minute as the division between “Happy Clapper” and “Highly Critical” fascinates me... there is very little in the middle... I’m hoping to write something following all the feedback. Just to make it clear (typing from my phone in the middle of nowhere in Spain with a terrible signal) I am not of the view that the players are under achieving but the organisation itself over the years. The players catch the brunt but the organisation itself is the issue with its post match BS, not replacing injured players and a REAL lack of ambition.
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Post by block6 on Feb 13, 2018 15:12:14 GMT
Guys, this has prompted the most conversation than any of our blogs from The Cage community... does anyone fancy writing an opposite piece? "An opposite piece"? I'm a little confused. How can someone write an opposite piece to what you described as... Surely, by definition, a balanced piece takes in all views, rather than just one side? In fairness, it’s as balanced as you get at the minute in this subject. At least she put her view out there to be published. Give it a go!
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Feb 13, 2018 15:16:02 GMT
I personally see a lack of effort, Not a lack of talent , however I can accept that others see if the other way around. That blog starts by criticising people for being mid readers etc, how do they know there's 100 percent effort, are they mind readers themselves. I find it very contradicting, either the players aren't good enough, which is neilsons fault for recruiting poorly, Or they are good enough but there's no effort, which is the players fault and mainly Corey's for not coaching them Well, either way it all comes back to Corey
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Post by block6 on Feb 13, 2018 15:19:33 GMT
For those that missed it too, the reason we asked Lisa whether we could publish something from her was because no one who is associated with the Panthers Massive account couldn’t put ourselves in a position to be able to write something more positive, we couldn’t see it from the other POV so in order to “Balance” the blog and account it seemed to make sense for someone else to write something. Proved to be right as it is promoting discussion! Generally our POV is broadly similar to what you’ll find on here. That said we recognise it is important to try and understand others POV without dismissing them as “Happy Clappers”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 15:20:21 GMT
First of all I don't want to come across as I'm attacking this individual as sticking your real name out there alongside your opinion takes a certain amount of bravery, especially in this day and age of forums and social media so they have my respect.
There are however a few contradictions in the blog which just don't add up.
So Lisa if satisfied with the teams effort and desire, satisfied with the clubs management and ownership and what they have been doing then I don't see why she would be considering not attending the game on Saturday. That would lead you to being accused of a fair weather fan.
If I honestly believed that everybody from top to bottom of the club was doing everything they could and should be doing then I'd be attending the game on Saturday win or lose. Look at Manchester, for a couple of seasons now they have been getting the very most they could out of their team and management yet they probably won't have a trophy to show for it at the end of the season. If you were a Manchester fan would this now mean you'd be inclined to stay away from a game?
I don't know which boat you are in Lisa, you say the results aren't good enough and even admit the players aren't good enough but also state you're satisfied with the way the club has gone about the season off the ice. Surely you must hold somebody accountable for the results that you agree aren't good enough?
It was asked what more do we want the club to do. Does Lisa think it's acceptable that it took the club so long to replace Shalla in December? December 27th our coach admitted he had tears in his eyes and the team is no better now almost 2 months on. That's a coach who for all his success and his legacy is now out of his depth and out of ideas and it is our leaderless club who refuse to push him as he refuses to jump(I suspect so they don't have to pay his contract off and hire somebody else).
Also just my opinion but I haven't seen any players react at all to fans questioning their effort and desire and I know they have to keep a certain level of professionalism but the fact not a single player has tried to defend themselves makes me wonder whether it's because deep down they know it's true.
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Feb 13, 2018 15:23:03 GMT
I almost don’t want to go in hard on this lady but coming from someone who constantly fishes for likes and retweet’s by the club on Twitter I knew it wouldn’t be a balanced piece before I read it. Lisa and I have had differences of opinion on Twitter before. She has tried to block me for daring to disagree with her. That’s the problem with Twitter, most folks are only seeking interactions to bolster their own view. The minute you disagree you’re either called rude, arrogant or blocked even when you’ve been politeness personified.
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 13, 2018 15:24:08 GMT
In fairness, it’s as balanced as you get at the minute in this subject... I'm afraid that, in fairness, it's really not. It's a Moran-esque puff piece that basically absolves just about anything to do with the Panthers Organisation for consistent failings and seems to suggest that fans should 'keep the faith' unquestionably, with shades of dissenters being not 'true' fans. But, given the source, none of this is surprising. As has already been mentioned, she has a long history of fishing for likes/retweets from the Panthers and an equally long history of blocking the accounts of people who don't share her rose-tinted opinions. As such, as she really isn't interested in debate and you don't seem to be able to differentiate between a proxy PR piece and a 'balanced' article I'll pass. I have better things to do with my time than provide Lisa with something to slag off on Twitter, safe from reply from little old (blocked) me.
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Post by block6 on Feb 13, 2018 15:33:56 GMT
In fairness, it’s as balanced as you get at the minute in this subject... I'm afraid that, in fairness, it's really not. It's a Moran-esque puff piece that basically absolves just about anything to do with the Panthers Organisation for consistent failings and seems to suggest that fans should 'keep the faith' unquestionably, with shades of dissenters being not 'true' fans. But, given the source, none of this is surprising. As has already been mentioned, she has a long history of fishing for likes/retweet from the Panthers and an equally long history of blocking the accounts of people who don't share her tose-tinted opinions. As such, as she really isn't interested in debate and you don't seem to be able to differentiate between a proxy PR piece and a 'balanced' article I'll pass. I have better things to do with my time than provide Lisa with something to slag off on Twitter, safe from reply for little old (blocked) me. I am perfectly able thank you! You don’t see the interactions and results the blog is getting, and it is certainly doing exactly what it was intended to do! Whether she is interested in debate or not is not the question, it’s whether the piece strikes debate on the whole (which it is) Please enjoy doing those things that you’d rather be spending your time doing 🙄
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Post by Yotes on Feb 13, 2018 15:57:51 GMT
Fair play to Lisa for writing the article. I can for the most part agree on the difference between not trying, and not being good enough (although we have the CHL evidence to suggest otherwise), I don't really look at the team and think "that guy's rubbish", I even thought Shalla was alright, but this idea that the management are doing a great job off the ice is a bit much. They basically freewheel, easy route every time and the goose keeps laying.
Something. Anything. Don't:
because that's what they always do; empty words, fluff and spin. Make it sound like you're going to do something, then don't and repeat the same next year. Actually act decisively for once. Acknowledge it and do something. And yes, sadly (for some) that might mean sending Corey on his way, or canning a player who isn't cutting it, or finally making the last dinosaur extinct (we can hope), but just show there is some life in the old cat yet, that someone at HQ is looking at the league table in disgust, and that the sole raison d'etre isn't just to make a load of money for Neil Black and Permanent Mutual Limited.
Sadly, I think that is the sole purpose of the Panthers.
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Post by Brian Pearce on Feb 13, 2018 16:01:50 GMT
Long time reader of The Cage, first time poster.
Sad to see someone so mercilessly ripped apart for posting an opinion piece. While I disagree with Lisa’s sentiments in the article I feel the downright nasty way some posters have responded to be totally unnecessary.
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 13, 2018 16:09:05 GMT
Long time reader of The Cage, first time poster. Sad to see someone so mercilessly ripped apart for posting an opinion piece. While I disagree with Lisa’s sentiments in the article I feel the downright nasty way some posters have responded to be totally unnecessary. Welcome Brian. You are of course entitled to whatever opinion you choose to hold. Personally I find the patronising tone that Lisa decided to take in her piece offensive, hence my 'robust' response. If that upsets you then I'm afraid there is nothing I can do about that.
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 13, 2018 16:12:50 GMT
I am perfectly able thank you! I'm sorry but, in my ever-so-humble opinion, it appears you are not. Or perhaps you are, and this is solely you trolling for a response? Would that be (currently) four people sharing the article on Facebook, a single response to your post on Facebook and one to the post on Twitter? Edit: Five shares to Facebook.
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Post by block6 on Feb 13, 2018 16:15:27 GMT
I am perfectly able thank you! I'm sorry but, in my ever-so-humble opinion, it appears you are not. Or perhaps you are, and this is solely you trolling for a response? Would that be (currently) four people sharing the article on Facebook, a single response to your post on Facebook and one to the post on Twitter? Nope it wouldn’t.... correct! At least you have something right today!
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Post by Brian Pearce on Feb 13, 2018 16:20:36 GMT
Long time reader of The Cage, first time poster. Sad to see someone so mercilessly ripped apart for posting an opinion piece. While I disagree with Lisa’s sentiments in the article I feel the downright nasty way some posters have responded to be totally unnecessary. Welcome Brian. You are of course entitled to whatever opinion you choose to hold. Personally I find the patronising tone that Lisa decided to take in her piece offensive, hence my 'robust' response. If that upsets you then I'm afraid there is nothing I can do about that. You found it offensive? Seriously? Like I said I disagreed with most of the article but I found it far from offensive. Perhaps you are not as robust as you think you are. Thanks for the welcome by the way.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 13, 2018 16:23:02 GMT
Come on, let's try and maintain our crumbling facade of civility to one another please. Out of interest block6, you say no one else wanted to write anything from that slant, how many regulars do you have?
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Post by block6 on Feb 13, 2018 16:26:08 GMT
Come on, let's try and maintain our crumbling facade of civility to one another please. Out of interest block6, you say no one else wanted to write anything from that slant, how many regulars do you have? Only 2 at the minute to be fair, we’re only starting out but our aim is to have vast and diverse views being published. I’d love 1 or 2 of the regulars from the Cage to write something! Our record is currently 600 reads on an article, looking forward to the first one over 1000.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 13, 2018 16:32:04 GMT
Ah right, can't read too much from that I guess. Not sure any of us will give you anything other than a rambling, everybody-out rant
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Post by block6 on Feb 13, 2018 16:42:54 GMT
Ah right, can't read too much from that I guess. Not sure any of us will give you anything other than a rambling, everybody-out rant Ha! I really like the views of many of the members of the Cage. I’ve been reading for years but never posted. What tootootrain is right about is the reason the article is published is to get the responses from the other side in order for one of either myself or Nathan (the other contributor) to write a truly balanced piece once all has been said and taking in to account all views. That said I wouldn’t call that “Trolling for responses”
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 13, 2018 16:43:29 GMT
You found it offensive? Seriously? I found her (as usual) patronising tone offensive. Unfortunately (as already mentioned) she has form for making patronising/disparaging comments to anyone who doesn't share her views and of blocking those who don't agree with her. I've never blocked a single person on Twitter. If you want to spout an opinion you should be willing to back it up.
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 13, 2018 16:51:04 GMT
What tootootrain is right about is the reason the article is published is to get the responses from the other side in order for one of either myself or Nathan (the other contributor) to write a truly balanced piece... Once again, I'm a little confused. You've described Lisa's piece as.. And ...as balanced as you get at the minute in this subject... Its either balanced or it isn't. If (in your opinion) it is, what can you add? If it isn't then you are, in fact...
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