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Post by Old Timer on Jan 13, 2018 20:30:03 GMT
Its finally happened.
After 35 years, my love affair with hockey in Nottingham is over. I’ve travelled away, I’ve sponsored players and games, but no longer. and for the first time ever I'm not buying playoff finals tickets.
There are a number of reasons for this and not all related to the team, so in no particulat order.
Im fed up with the same old collapse every year, why can’t we buy a team that destroys the league. Surely we can afford it.
Why can’t the owners and GM see what everyone else can, that Corey’s time is up. great club servant, but been far too long.
i don’t like the match night experience, I have been coming when there was only 3500 fans here, but they were nearly all hockey fans, not people coming for a few beers in the warm. I’m fed up with people moving during games and the general uncivility towards other fans. A few weeks before Christmas I witnessed an unsavoury incident where a so called fan threatened to see a father and son outside, as they had asked his darling snowflake daughter to stop kicking the back of the seats. What an example to others.
Whay are fans treated like cash cows and why is there a division between those fans who go to social events and sponsor players etc.
Why is the commercial side so poor, I wanted to part sponsor a game earlier this year, nope, all or nothing, I don’t need 20 seats, just a dozen to say thanks to some friends who have helped through a difficult time, and the chance for a young member of the family to do the puck drop, so I said no and nobody ever contacted me again about it.
i would estimate Panthers have lost over £3,000 in lost revenue in terms of sponsorship, tickets, shirts and other merchandise. Am I only one, I doubt it.
i still get my hockey fix by watching NHL, the odd trip to Germany and even watched a game on a recent visit to New Zealand.
Will it change? I somehow doubt it.
if Mr Black or the GM read this (and I hope they do) and want to discuss it further, please PM me. I don’t log on as much these days, but I read the forum fairly regularly
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Post by dill1015 on Jan 13, 2018 21:47:02 GMT
I hit the wall about 4 years ago. At first it was hard to stay away, i wanted to go and got bothered that i couldnt because of self imposed boycotts. But the last couple of years ive found it really easy to say 'im not going till changes come' and then when they dont its easy to stay away.
Its really sad. But i too am tired of seeing the same issue over and over. We dont aign balanced teams who by into 'the league is everything'.
Alot of people put the blame ay Neilsoms feet, but i think there's a rotten core to the club. There needs to be wholesale managment changes. And saddly i dint see it coming.
They say through thick and thin, but im afraid ive hit my limit. The telling part is now easy i can disconnect from it now...
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Post by ant on Jan 13, 2018 21:52:38 GMT
Sad to hear but I'm with you. I started going in 1986 and will not attend another league match this year. They won't contact you/ me or any fans as they hold us in contempt and think we are idiots if we criticise continual underperformance. I've loved going to hockey but to be honest I find matches boring and our seasons predictable. I'll have to go to a handful of games at the start of next season because my kids like going but they haven't enjoyed it recently as they can't understand the nosedive in form.
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Post by humbucker on Jan 13, 2018 22:40:39 GMT
You are always welcome to see plenty of commitment win or lose at the Lions games but I am afraid none of the glamour or glitz of the Elite league. These are players that might not have, apart from a couple including Marc Levers, hit the big time or decided that a career outside of hockey proved a more reliable and lucrative life decision. They pay to play because they still love the sport and will always give 100% against teams with deeper pockets and the players to prove it. It's also cheaper, but the times of the games leave much to be desired and the Olympic Rink is not built for comfort, and that's for sure.
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Post by wilx on Jan 13, 2018 22:46:09 GMT
I am a season ticket holder, but will not be buying any challenge cup or playoff tickets,the whole thing is a sham, we even had Cory lie to us when he said that signing a new player was at an advanced stage in December, I ( and I think many others) are pretty sure this was a lie and was just said to try and save his job. Neilson is a joke, he has never had a decent power play and so to say special teams were the difference can't come as a surprise can it! Things need to change in the summer (Corey gone and possibly other management) otherwise my season ticket could well be gone. We are being taken for mugs! I am almost hoping we do end up 8th so that (hopefully) Mr Black would have to do something about it. I never thought I would want my team to lose, but I feel like this isn't my team and Panthers have been replaced by cheap android clones or something. Neilson out, whole team ethics need to change... hockey GM and Hockey owners please
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jan 13, 2018 22:50:12 GMT
Brock Wilson tonight on Twitter (replying to a photo showing how many fans traveled to Belfast) hits the nail on the head, again...!
“Support like this even though you’re <ahem> the bed this season and one player comes over to thank fans... Absolutely disgusted! 🤬 #SomeClass #NoExcuse”
And follows it up...
“As a former player I apologize to the fans for this absolute lack of respect by the players.. I would have told them to get their asses back out onto that ice and suck it up. <Ahem> joke!”
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Post by pantherlee on Jan 13, 2018 23:01:22 GMT
Brock Wilson tonight on Twitter (replying to a photo showing how many fans traveled to Belfast) hits the nail on the head, again...! “Support like this even though you’re <ahem> the bed this season and one player comes over to thank fans... Absolutely disgusted! 🤬 #SomeClass #NoExcuse” And follows it up... “As a former player I apologize to the fans for this absolute lack of respect by the players.. I would have told them to get their asses back out onto that ice and suck it up. <Ahem> joke!” He's now just deleted that tweet
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 13, 2018 23:06:06 GMT
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Sustainable club, not risking the stability of the business, not getting out of our depth... There is only so much comes in through bums on seats and an increasing amount of sponsorship, etc, etc, etc. We have to compete with the likes of Edinburgh and Fife for goodness sake! On top of that the £ is worth less now against the $ and have you seen the price of diesel? That’s a hell of a big bus we use for away games!
When you look at the rest of the teams in the league we must struggle to make ends meet. Sometimes we don’t even get 5000 through the doors and on top of that we haven’t had a flower give away for months!
Just because just about every other team in the league can pick up players mid season at the drop of a hat doesn’t mean that we can. Could be a bit of a blighter or a downright bad egg after all. No idea how every other league in the world manages taking risks like that. Then there is the entire bucket of worms of making players feel like they are having to play for there place and where would that end?
Best off just sit down and wave your arms around in the break music like sheep and give them all a jolly good rousing clap off the ice at the end. That costs nothing. <sarcasm off/>
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Post by iginla on Jan 13, 2018 23:07:01 GMT
Disillusioned is the right word. This is just completely and utterly unacceptable now.
How much longer does this shambles go on before something changes. The lies,spin,blindness,non movement and laziness from the coaching and management is just absolutely staggering.
If Black doesn't sack him first,then it's time for Neilson to do the decent thing and resign,in fact it was time long ago. His time is up now,he has no answers left,other than excuse after excuse.
I was already finished with Panthers a month ago,a sad end after 17 years. Until Neilson is gone and hopefully Moran too I'm done,no more season tickets,just apathy and total disinterest for a club that doesn't care about anything but money.
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Post by ditsy on Jan 13, 2018 23:20:19 GMT
I wholeheartedly agree with all of the above comments.what we are being served up is totally unacceptable
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Post by Spooks on Jan 13, 2018 23:46:01 GMT
Same old same old, it has nothing to do with Nielson it has everything to do with Moran and to a degree Black.
Moran is the whisper in blacks ear apart from the bottom line which Is Blacks only concern (nothing wrong with that to a degree unless you are getting greedy.....)
Small minded limited in ambition and forsight.
Tonight was the first game i have been too in 6+ years. After the players can not even be arsed to wander over I again can't be arsed to spend any money on this shambles of a club.
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Post by Mark Mac on Jan 13, 2018 23:56:02 GMT
As I posted in the Shalla thread, I’ve stopped going. Why should I put effort into this when the Panthers repeatedly, for multiple seasons, have put no effort into improving?! If I acted like this in my job then I’d be in the brown stuff. I would struggle to look at myself in the mirror if I behaved as they do.
I watch the NHL ($40 last week for the rest of the season) and I’ve started watching domestic rugby instead of domestic ice hockey. I keep an interest in the Panthers because I am a fan, but out of principle I am not putting any of my money into that organisation until I see improvement,
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Post by iginla on Jan 14, 2018 0:08:43 GMT
I think it’s time we saw some “out banners” and “out chants” at home games.
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Post by PantherG on Jan 14, 2018 1:42:58 GMT
I think it’s time we saw some “out banners” and “out chants” at home games. I’d love that but can’t see it happening, fans too passive and the majority happy to accept mediocrity... if they didn’t and the crowds dropped, you’d see Black spring into action without the need for a protest...
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Post by wasteoftime on Jan 14, 2018 10:28:07 GMT
Why will things change? Black makes pots of money, his right hand man cannot fail to make it for him it's all to easy. We need a new owner who is a hockey person, would Black sell? it would have to be a massive offer for him to do so.All our moaning won't change a thing I would think until drastic changes happen it will be business as usual. Get used to it.
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 14, 2018 10:57:04 GMT
All our moaning won't change a thing... Spot on. Unfortunately, until people start voting with their feet and his profits take a hit, Neil Black will do little. Why would he? Unlike many in the league, Panthers fans will turn up for anything that is served up. Whilst some may point to such loyalty as being a good thing, what good does it do in the long run? Has the continued loyalty and the money that comes from being the best supported team in the UK helped to fund any changes that give us advantages over our rivals? Has the team used the financial clout such loyalty brings to ensure the team never has to play short-handed due to injuries? Has the team even dished out any of that money to hang banners from the rafters on a match night, to make the NIC feel like our home, rather than just a rented space? We, as a fanbase, are taken for granted, considered nothing more than punters and, when some members of the fanbase try to organise to give a voice to the fans, they are aggressively attacked, lawyers are retained and a 'ring leader' is even banned from games for spurious reasons. Sadly divide and conquer seems to be the rule. Previously useful outlets of fan frustration have been brought off with the carrot of 'access', whilst elsewhere a Panthers employee and ex-employee have attacked members of the fanbase directly for daring to express an opinion. The general gist at the moment seems to be "shut up, give us your money and we'll tell you what is good for you". Someone elsewhere mentioned that currently the team have won only 6 games in 21. Let's put it another way. That's 12 points from 42!! No one loses 15 games/30 points just because of "lucky bounces", "hot goalies" or "bad calls". That level of losing is the product of institutional failings. Something is rotten in the state of Nottingham.
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Post by marshalfish on Jan 14, 2018 11:05:20 GMT
Same old same old, it has nothing to do with Nielson it has everything to do with Moran and to a degree Black. Moran is the whisper in blacks ear apart from the bottom line which Is Blacks only concern (nothing wrong with that to a degree unless you are getting greedy.....) Small minded limited in ambition and forsight. Tonight was the first game i have been too in 6+ years. After the players can not even be arsed to wander over I again can't be arsed to spend any money on this shambles of a club. Perhaps if we were to ditch the "Dump and Chase" hockey we might be a bit harder to work out. It drives me daft.
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Post by jd on Jan 14, 2018 14:51:27 GMT
Don’t get why we dump and chase on a power play
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jan 14, 2018 15:00:54 GMT
Don’t get why we dump and chase on a power play Because Neilson only ever wanted to do that as a player. Same reason we don’t score on PPs, because he only knows one tactic of trying to shoot from the blue line.
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Post by iginla on Jan 14, 2018 17:00:10 GMT
Don’t get why we dump and chase on a power play We obviously aren't skilled enough to skate it in. If you dump it in there's only a 50/50 or so chance you get the puck,whereas if you skate it in there's a much better chance. Never understood why we dump it in.
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Post by DJP on Jan 14, 2018 17:32:54 GMT
Here are some stats as of 14 January:
Streaks: Bussières has gone 16 games without scoring. Farmer has gone 12 games without scoring. Spang has gone 20 games without scoring. Perlini has scored 2 goals in his last 16 games. Phillips has scored 3 goals in his last 23 games. Mokshantsev has scored 2 goals in his last 20 games.
Last 19 games (League and CC combined): W 6 L 13 (RW 5, OTL 2, SOL 1), GF 46 GA 64 PP 12/75 (16.00%), PK 18/89 (79.78%) Shot conversion percentage: 46/607 = 7.58%
Last 15 games (League and CC combined): W 4 L 11 (RW 3, OTL 1, SOL 1), GF 32 GA 53 PP 8/66 (12.12%), PK 17/75 (77.33%) Shot conversion percentage: 32/487 = 6.57%
Last 16 League games: W 5 L 11 (RW 4, OTL 2, SOL 1), GF 36 GA 55 Points: 13 out of a possible 32 PP 8/60 (13.33%), PK 18/89 (79.22%) Shot conversion percentage: 36/487 = 7.39%
Last 13 League games: W 3 L 10 (RW 2, OTL 1, SOL 1), GF 25 GA 49 Points: 8 out of a possible 26 PP 6/54 (11.11%), PK 17/77 (77.82%) Shot conversion percentage: 25/393 = 6.36%
League figures for season to date: PP 23/125 (18.40% - ranked 8th), PK 27/138 (80.43% - ranked 5th) Shot conversion percentage: 98/1119 (8.8% - ranked 11th)
CC figures for season to date: PP 4/28 (14.29% - ranked 9th), PK 4/23 (82.61% - ranked 6th) Shot conversion percentage: 30/308 (9.7% - ranked 9th)
Our PP, never good, is badly on the slide; the PK is just about holding up, though nothing special. Our shot conversion percentage is woeful and getting worse. The recent slump seemed to start when Mosey and Galbraith got injured. There was a temporary revival when these two returned and Shalla left ... now what??
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Post by pantherlee on Jan 14, 2018 17:43:12 GMT
Here are some stats as of 14 January: Streaks: Bussières has gone 16 games without scoring. Farmer has gone 12 games without scoring. Spang has gone 20 games without scoring. Perlini has scored 2 goals in his last 16 games. Phillips has scored 3 goals in his last 23 games. Mokshantsev has scored 2 goals in his last 20 games. Last 19 games (League and CC combined): W 6 L 13 (RW 5, OTL 2, SOL 1), GF 46 GA 64 PP 12/75 (16.00%), PK 18/89 (79.78%) Shot conversion percentage: 46/607 = 7.58% Last 15 games (League and CC combined): W 4 L 11 (RW 3, OTL 1, SOL 1), GF 32 GA 53 PP 8/66 (12.12%), PK 17/75 (77.33%) Shot conversion percentage: 32/487 = 6.57% Last 16 League games: W 5 L 11 (RW 4, OTL 2, SOL 1), GF 36 GA 55 Points: 13 out of a possible 32 PP 8/60 (13.33%), PK 18/89 (79.22%) Shot conversion percentage: 36/487 = 7.39% Last 13 League games: W 3 L 10 (RW 2, OTL 1, SOL 1), GF 25 GA 49 Points: 8 out of a possible 26 PP 6/54 (11.11%), PK 17/77 (77.82%) Shot conversion percentage: 25/393 = 6.36% League figures for season to date: PP 23/125 (18.40% - ranked 8th), PK 27/138 (80.43% - ranked 5th) Shot conversion percentage: 98/1119 (8.8% - ranked 11th) CC figures for season to date: PP 4/28 (14.29% - ranked 9th), PK 4/23 (82.61% - ranked 6th) Shot conversion percentage: 30/308 (9.7% - ranked 9th) Our PP, never good, is badly on the slide; the PK is just about holding up, though nothing special. Our shot conversion percentage is woeful and getting worse. The recent slump seemed to start when Mosey and Galbraith got injured. There was a temporary revival when these two returned and Shalla left ... now what?? The stat that sticks out there is shot conversion percentage. Ranked 11th out of 12!!!
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Post by wgray on Jan 14, 2018 17:59:44 GMT
Here are some stats as of 14 January: Streaks: Bussières has gone 16 games without scoring. Farmer has gone 12 games without scoring. Spang has gone 20 games without scoring. Perlini has scored 2 goals in his last 16 games. Phillips has scored 3 goals in his last 23 games. Mokshantsev has scored 2 goals in his last 20 games. Last 19 games (League and CC combined): W 6 L 13 (RW 5, OTL 2, SOL 1), GF 46 GA 64 PP 12/75 (16.00%), PK 18/89 (79.78%) Shot conversion percentage: 46/607 = 7.58% Last 15 games (League and CC combined): W 4 L 11 (RW 3, OTL 1, SOL 1), GF 32 GA 53 PP 8/66 (12.12%), PK 17/75 (77.33%) Shot conversion percentage: 32/487 = 6.57% Last 16 League games: W 5 L 11 (RW 4, OTL 2, SOL 1), GF 36 GA 55 Points: 13 out of a possible 32 PP 8/60 (13.33%), PK 18/89 (79.22%) Shot conversion percentage: 36/487 = 7.39% Last 13 League games: W 3 L 10 (RW 2, OTL 1, SOL 1), GF 25 GA 49 Points: 8 out of a possible 26 PP 6/54 (11.11%), PK 17/77 (77.82%) Shot conversion percentage: 25/393 = 6.36% League figures for season to date: PP 23/125 (18.40% - ranked 8th), PK 27/138 (80.43% - ranked 5th) Shot conversion percentage: 98/1119 (8.8% - ranked 11th) CC figures for season to date: PP 4/28 (14.29% - ranked 9th), PK 4/23 (82.61% - ranked 6th) Shot conversion percentage: 30/308 (9.7% - ranked 9th) Our PP, never good, is badly on the slide; the PK is just about holding up, though nothing special. Our shot conversion percentage is woeful and getting worse. The recent slump seemed to start when Mosey and Galbraith got injured. There was a temporary revival when these two returned and Shalla left ... now what?? remove Spang from those stats and those are the players that should be leading our offensive charge. Bussieres has gone off the rails completely, he was one that I was really enjoying watching at the beggining off the season, throwing hits, making plays, he’s a shadow of the player from the beggining of the season. No confidence at all. This season promised so much and will more than likely deliver nothing, such a shame.
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Post by iginla on Jan 14, 2018 18:22:38 GMT
Here are some stats as of 14 January: Streaks: Bussières has gone 16 games without scoring. Farmer has gone 12 games without scoring. Spang has gone 20 games without scoring. Perlini has scored 2 goals in his last 16 games. Phillips has scored 3 goals in his last 23 games. Mokshantsev has scored 2 goals in his last 20 games. Last 19 games (League and CC combined): W 6 L 13 (RW 5, OTL 2, SOL 1), GF 46 GA 64 PP 12/75 (16.00%), PK 18/89 (79.78%) Shot conversion percentage: 46/607 = 7.58% Last 15 games (League and CC combined): W 4 L 11 (RW 3, OTL 1, SOL 1), GF 32 GA 53 PP 8/66 (12.12%), PK 17/75 (77.33%) Shot conversion percentage: 32/487 = 6.57% Last 16 League games: W 5 L 11 (RW 4, OTL 2, SOL 1), GF 36 GA 55 Points: 13 out of a possible 32 PP 8/60 (13.33%), PK 18/89 (79.22%) Shot conversion percentage: 36/487 = 7.39% Last 13 League games: W 3 L 10 (RW 2, OTL 1, SOL 1), GF 25 GA 49 Points: 8 out of a possible 26 PP 6/54 (11.11%), PK 17/77 (77.82%) Shot conversion percentage: 25/393 = 6.36% League figures for season to date: PP 23/125 (18.40% - ranked 8th), PK 27/138 (80.43% - ranked 5th) Shot conversion percentage: 98/1119 (8.8% - ranked 11th) CC figures for season to date: PP 4/28 (14.29% - ranked 9th), PK 4/23 (82.61% - ranked 6th) Shot conversion percentage: 30/308 (9.7% - ranked 9th) Our PP, never good, is badly on the slide; the PK is just about holding up, though nothing special. Our shot conversion percentage is woeful and getting worse. The recent slump seemed to start when Mosey and Galbraith got injured. There was a temporary revival when these two returned and Shalla left ... now what?? The two stats that stand out for me are Phillips and Mokshantsevs goals output. Based on those stats,those two should both be following Shalla out of the door. As for the rest of the stats,well just woeful at best. It makes you wonder what the bloody hell this team does in training every day !
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 14, 2018 18:46:33 GMT
The stat that sticks out there is shot conversion percentage. Ranked 11th out of 12!!! It might help if nearly everytime Panthers got hold of the puck in the offensive zone they didn't just fire it at the netminder's centre mass, as if they're trying to get rid of it. The players have the talent, we've seen that. This malaise can only come from the quality of the coaching they're receiving.
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