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Post by tootootrain on Sept 24, 2017 20:16:21 GMT
...Is he too clever for this league (as in, are his tactics too elaborate for the skill level that we can afford so they cannot be successful)? Or does he find it too hard to come up with new ideas?... I doubt you'll find anyone other than Corey Neilson or Neil Black (who seemingly believes anything Gary Moran tells him) that would think it's the former! Working out some settled lines and sticking with them would be a good start.
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Post by iginla on Sept 24, 2017 20:16:57 GMT
...Or a Steeler losing two games over the weekend (and having their coach getting a game misconduct for abuse of the official)... And poor, innocent Fretter was thrown out after taking out Stephen Murphy (who had to leave the game). Fretter slashed Murphy who had to come off it seems, Fretter got a 5 plus game and Thommo didn't like it. Oh the irony ! 🙄😂
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Post by ted logan on Sept 24, 2017 20:17:01 GMT
...Or a Steeler losing two games over the weekend (and having their coach getting a game misconduct for abuse of the official)... And poor, innocent Fretter was thrown out after taking out Stephen Murphy (who had to leave the game). Surely not another netminder attacking a Sheffield forward with his head?? Those poor innocent Steelers. #prayforfretter
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Post by Pies on Sept 24, 2017 20:18:23 GMT
We form 2 points tonight. That was the main aim. We got an away win in the league. Another positive. Didn't matter how it came with how poor we've been so it's nice to et that and hopefully give us a boost.
Cardiff and Sheffield would have liked to get 2 points this weekend so in context, not bad. But in another, absolutely frustrating that we didn't take advantage of that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 20:28:59 GMT
...Is he too clever for this league (as in, are his tactics too elaborate for the skill level that we can afford so they cannot be successful)? Or does he find it too hard to come up with new ideas?... I doubt you'll find anyone other than Corey Neilson or Neil Black (who seemingly believes anything Gary Moran tells him) that would think it's the former! Working out some settled lines and sticking with them would be a good start. He's definitely not too clever for the league, I very much doubt he's the best coach in his own house. Anyway, two points & some rivals lose. Move on to Europe for a night.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 24, 2017 20:31:55 GMT
Wasn’t the Cardiff game a CC game?
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Post by Yotes on Sept 24, 2017 20:33:31 GMT
Wasn’t the Cardiff game a CC game? No, league. Yesterday they lost in the CC. Look to be in a spot of bother in their group actually.
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Post by Mark Mac on Sept 24, 2017 20:33:49 GMT
...Is he too clever for this league (as in, are his tactics too elaborate for the skill level that we can afford so they cannot be successful)? Or does he find it too hard to come up with new ideas?... I doubt you'll find anyone other than Corey Neilson or Neil Black (who seemingly believes anything Gary Moran tells him) that would think it's the former! Working out some settled lines and sticking with them would be a good start. But the thing is occasionally he comes out with amazing tactics that blow teams out of the water. He beat 2 teams way above us in the CHL last month. I really do think his hockey IQ is very high, but the creativity and ability to react aren't really there. To clarify, by saying his hockey IQ is high does not mean I think he is some sort of amazing coach we must keep no matter what. It matters little if you can't produce with what you've got.
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Post by iginla on Sept 24, 2017 20:36:02 GMT
I doubt you'll find anyone other than Corey Neilson or Neil Black (who seemingly believes anything Gary Moran tells him) that would think it's the former! Working out some settled lines and sticking with them would be a good start. He's definitely not too clever for the league, I very much doubt he's the best coach in his own house. Anyway, two points & some rivals lose. Move on to Europe for a night. Neilson is stale and he's certainly no motivator. He needs to go and should have done two years ago. A loss and a pen shot win over the course of one of the easiest EIHL weekends we are going to get is a very very poor show !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 20:36:43 GMT
I doubt you'll find anyone other than Corey Neilson or Neil Black (who seemingly believes anything Gary Moran tells him) that would think it's the former! Working out some settled lines and sticking with them would be a good start. But the thing is occasionally he comes out with amazing tactics that blow teams out of the water. He beat 2 teams way above us in the CHL last month. I really do think his hockey IQ is very high, but the creativity and ability to react aren't really there. To clarify, by saying his hockey IQ is high does not mean I think he is some sort of amazing coach we must keep no matter what. It matters little if you can't produce with what you've got. Neilson is many things but with a high hockey IQ he certainly is not!
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Sept 24, 2017 20:40:48 GMT
Simms confirmed on Twitter that Murphy is on his way to hospital in Sheffield.
...yep, another serious keeper injury caused by Steelers. Of course, it's a complete accident though and unintentional again! 🙄
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Post by brodeurfan1993 on Sept 24, 2017 20:41:58 GMT
He lives down there, he's hardly putting himself out. Perhaps he should make an effort to come up to Nottingham more regularly and watch the dross they've been serving up at home in EIHL games. He certainly should make more of an effort too, instead of just relying on the crap Moran and Neilson want to feed him ! Roll on the Q+A on Wednesday night. 😋 Give the guy a break. May not think he's good in all areas but least he was there and amongst the fans
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Post by Mark Mac on Sept 24, 2017 20:41:59 GMT
He's definitely not too clever for the league, I very much doubt he's the best coach in his own house. Anyway, two points & some rivals lose. Move on to Europe for a night. Neilson is stale and he's certainly no motivator. He needs to go and should have done two years ago. A loss and a pen shot win over the course of one of the easiest EIHL weekends we are going to get is a very very poor show ! Now this I entirely agree with.
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Post by tootootrain on Sept 24, 2017 20:51:31 GMT
Give the guy a break. May not think he's good in all areas but least he was there and amongst the fans Yet the guy rarely appears at the home games and seems (from some of the embarrassing silences or laughable answers he gave at the last Q&A) to hoover up whatever tosh Gary Moran feeds him. He is an absentee landlord. Still, as long as the money rolls in...
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Post by iginla on Sept 24, 2017 20:56:47 GMT
Neilson is stale and he's certainly no motivator. He needs to go and should have done two years ago. A loss and a pen shot win over the course of one of the easiest EIHL weekends we are going to get is a very very poor show ! Now this I entirely agree with. Players get stale if they stay too long and so too must coaches. We complain about players not fancying a wet Wednesday in Edinburgh or even a mundane run of the mill league game. But my bet is Corey after ten years,doesn't exactly get excited about it either. And there could be the explanation for the good CHL performances,because everybody is up for those. If the coach isn't up for league games,how can you expect the players to be ? That's why Neilson needs to go,because you can't base a season on half a dozen CHL games ! 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 21:04:26 GMT
That's why Sheffield are so successful as their fan base put pressure on the organisation to shake things up when they fail. They are all on the same page and want the same thing and don't dwell on previous success they are looking for their next piece of silverware.
Panthers and their fans are somewhat of the opposite I'm afraid. ..
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Post by wgray on Sept 24, 2017 21:06:09 GMT
Unable to get to the game tonight so I can't make any comment on how we played are how the Flames played but looking at all factors involved tonight, such as the quality and depth of our squad, the missing players for Flames including their number 1 keeper we SHOULD be putting them to the sword and winning by a comfortable margin.
No matter who you are you have no divine right to win, determination and desire is a key element of a winning team as well as skill, which I think we have, so an aspect that I question is are we being coached correctly?
We've seen what we are capable of against unfamiliar and much better opposition, so why can't we perform in the same manner against the lesser teams we have in our league, without being disrespectful.
Anyway after watching the Giants tonight it is going to be a tough game on Wednesday, defensively they look solid and have the creativity up front to match, they managed to prevent the squeelers scoring on 8 power plays...
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Post by PantherG on Sept 24, 2017 21:29:40 GMT
That's why Sheffield are so successful as their fan base put pressure on the organisation to shake things up when they fail. They are all on the same page and want the same thing and don't dwell on previous success they are looking for their next piece of silverware. Panthers and their fans are somewhat of the opposite I'm afraid. .. I disagree, go on Facebook and there are plenty happy clappers prepared to accept mediocrity and make loads of excuses for it... I don't see that from Sheffield at all, plus poorly performing has a drastic impact on their attendance. I suspect if it was similar in Nottingham we would see a bit more urgency and less patience.
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Post by iginla on Sept 24, 2017 22:47:34 GMT
That's why Sheffield are so successful as their fan base put pressure on the organisation to shake things up when they fail. They are all on the same page and want the same thing and don't dwell on previous success they are looking for their next piece of silverware. Panthers and their fans are somewhat of the opposite I'm afraid. .. I disagree, go on Facebook and there are plenty happy clappers prepared to accept mediocrity and make loads of excuses for it... I don't see that from Sheffield at all, plus poorly performing has a drastic impact on their attendance. I suspect if it was similar in Nottingham we would see a bit more urgency and less patience. In Nottingham mediocrity or poor is accepted far far too easily. Even down to the quality of a simple radio interview. Just have a listen to Coreys post Guildford radio offering and tell me that isn't poor in every way and that kind of thing resonates right through the club from top to bottom !
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Sept 25, 2017 5:01:19 GMT
Give the guy a break. May not think he's good in all areas but least he was there and amongst the fans Yet the guy rarely appears at the home games and seems (from some of the embarrassing silences or laughable answers he gave at the last Q&A) to hoover up whatever tosh Gary Moran feeds him. He is an absentee landlord. Still, as long as the money rolls in... What do you expect? The Panthers are one of his many businesses, I'm sure he's got many better things to do than fly/drive to Nottingham on his weekends. I think the expectation level of Neil Black is at times ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2017 5:05:47 GMT
Yet the guy rarely appears at the home games and seems (from some of the embarrassing silences or laughable answers he gave at the last Q&A) to hoover up whatever tosh Gary Moran feeds him. He is an absentee landlord. Still, as long as the money rolls in... What do you expect? The Panthers are one of his many businesses, I'm sure he's got many better things to do than fly/drive to Nottingham on his weekends. I think the expectation level of Neil Black is at times ridiculous. In that case sell up and give it to someone who is 100% committed to the club like Cardiffs owner !!
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Post by iginla on Sept 25, 2017 7:02:49 GMT
Yet the guy rarely appears at the home games and seems (from some of the embarrassing silences or laughable answers he gave at the last Q&A) to hoover up whatever tosh Gary Moran feeds him. He is an absentee landlord. Still, as long as the money rolls in... What do you expect? The Panthers are one of his many businesses, I'm sure he's got many better things to do than fly/drive to Nottingham on his weekends. I think the expectation level of Neil Black is at times ridiculous. Yeah many better things..... like watching Tottenham Hotspur play every week ! 🙄
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Post by dexter on Sept 25, 2017 7:18:28 GMT
Just read the match report. 48 shots on their back-up goalie and two goals! Go Panthers!
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Post by Yotes on Sept 25, 2017 11:27:40 GMT
Yeah many better things..... like watching Tottenham Hotspur play every week ! 🙄 I can't see anything wrong with this? -- This is now unlocked again, keep the discussion civil please.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 25, 2017 11:34:48 GMT
Just read the match report. 48 shots on their back-up goalie and two goals! Go Panthers! That's a worry and we make far too many netminders look good at the moment.
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