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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 20:37:31 GMT
I wasn't there so can't comment on specific events tonight but it sound exactly the same as previous weeks.
A brain dead defence and mis-firing forwards is not a good recipe for a league campaign. Given the CHL performances I've given this side a certain amount of room for error these past two weekends but that credit is now at zero.
A team serious about winning the league can only really afford 2(maybe 3 at a push) results like this at home in a season against the other two conferences.
Something has to change and it has to change overnight in time for tomorrow's game which just a couple of weeks into the season you look at as a must win.
This side has all the tools to do it but do they have the leadership on and off the ice to do it? Somebody has to stick their hand up and turn it around. I really hope they because if we carry on down this road then this years roster is no different to the last few years.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Sept 23, 2017 21:05:36 GMT
Best player of the night was Ollie followed by Bussieres. Struggling to get Derlago and Phillips clicking and why of why when the team are down and the arena is flat does Corey not give Gagnon and nudge and say go drop someone?! If someone doesn't want to fight no choice then, he's not the best D man and we can cover him if he has to sit the extra for instigating. Gospel was solid when he came in. Mokshantev had a night to forget, every player had one of those nights, pretty sad that we've been sussed already by teams. Let's get back to hard nosed in your face hockey, get traffic in front on the goal and get on the NM.
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Post by Higgy on Sept 23, 2017 21:12:47 GMT
Dreadful result but oddly we seemed to be the better team for 2 periods,first 10 mins we were hitting,passing well and deserved the lead.
2nd was shambolic defensively,Garnett looked all over the place as his D went awol
Third was better and Gospel played well but we just cannot break teams down if they play trap hockey.
Pass pass pass and then no end product....we're like the hockey equivalent of Arsenal!
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Post by grrm on Sept 23, 2017 21:13:54 GMT
Why is everyone so up tight - We are laser focussed on the league, Corey told us all summer.
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Post by dill1015 on Sept 23, 2017 21:16:09 GMT
Dreadful result but oddly we seemed to be the better team for 2 periods,first 10 mins we were hitting,passing well and deserved the lead. 2nd was shambolic defensively,Garnett looked all over the place as his D went awol Third was better and Gospel played well but we just cannot break teams down if they play trap hockey. Pass pass pass and then no end product....we're like the hockey equivalent of Arsenal! England football team. Just cant break people down and them conceed sloppy goals.
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Post by tootootrain on Sept 23, 2017 21:19:11 GMT
Why is everyone so up tight - We are laser focussed on the league, Corey told us all summer. I think Corey had better check the lenses, the laser seems well out of focus. Perhaps we just need a few Euro scouts dotted around the arena, so that players with bigger aspirations have something to play for?
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Post by jd on Sept 23, 2017 21:25:38 GMT
Different players same issues.
PP is awful
Gospel played well
Garnett, Philips And Derlago need to give us more. I’d play Gospel tomorrow night tbh.
Could be a long season
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Post by deke on Sept 23, 2017 21:29:43 GMT
I can pretend to be a euro scout if it will encourage our players to actually play. Clarke mostly God awful tonight respect his achievement but jesus. Gospel looked solid Brown lindhagen betteridge and farmer pushed them and was one of few who actually looked bothered.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 23, 2017 21:32:06 GMT
There isn't a single excuse for that. They played like it ment something when they wanted and didn't bother when they didn't want to. Different year but the same problem. Getting a bit old now.
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Post by John Casey on Sept 23, 2017 21:34:54 GMT
It's like this team don't know what to do when in front, they seem to play better when behind.
Opposing teams need to concede Penalties as they are more safer killing them.
While Nie made some excellent saves, I'm finding it hard to believe that he is the 3rd straight N/M to have an blinder.
The aggravating thing about it is that at the start of the game, they were absolutely over them, there were showing the sort of form that they are capable of.
I can only hope that this is the result that shocks them.
Also did anyone else see Farmer storm off at the end?
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Post by Mark on Sept 23, 2017 21:37:34 GMT
Abysmal. Same old problems, not playing for 60 minutes, no powerplay worth the name, defence poncing around their own net and gifting the opposition goal after goal, no change in tactics, just the same old grind with little obvious input from Neilson. The only player who came out with any credit was Gospel, didn't put a foot wrong after his introduction. Based on what I've seen so far this season there are certain members of this team who are here only to put themselves in the shop window of the CHL.
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Post by deke on Sept 23, 2017 21:39:04 GMT
Corey surely has to know he fails to make a substantial challenge to the league this year he is gone? Why the hell do we continue to play the same way each season and expect different?. Corey, dump and chase is not working for God sake neither is passing it around for our entire power play and not shooting. Not only that we then sit behind our goal for 20 seconds looking clueless. We got found out big time.
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Post by spik on Sept 23, 2017 21:47:18 GMT
Just got in from work. Am I reading this right? EIHL Scoresheet says they scored an empty net goal at 11.14, so where were our netminders as we seem to have only been in the nets for 41.32 minutes of the game? I'm confused. Garnet played 34.07 and Gospel 7.25 apparently. Hoping I've got this all wrong.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Sept 23, 2017 21:47:20 GMT
It's like this team don't know what to do when in front, they seem to play better when behind. Opposing teams need to concede Penalties as they are more safer killing them. While Nie made some excellent saves, I'm finding it hard to believe that he is the 3rd straight N/M to have an blinder. The aggravating thing about it is that at the start of the game, they were absolutely over them, there were showing the sort of form that they are capable of. I can only hope that this is the result that shocks them. Also did anyone else see Farmer storm off at the end? Yep Farmer was first off, quickly followed by Soave, and then the rest, barely an acknowledgement to the crowd.Can some-one bring back the team that played so well in Europe only a few weeks ago, or were we just fortunate to win those games ? I'm having serious concerns about Garnett.
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Post by ted logan on Sept 23, 2017 21:56:09 GMT
What has happened?
So much pre-season promise, 3 CHL wins and now this complete and utter dross?
Is it the players? They only want to turn it on in the glamour Euro games and can't be bothered with the bread and butter stuff?
Or is it the coach? Players played on instinct and ability in the early games and now CN has coached it out of them?
Whatever it is, this team is way too good to be repeatedly this bad! The PP absolutely stinks the place out at the moment. Garnett was average. As for the D, basic errors from class players like Sauve, Lee did ok, Mosey is wasted at the back, Spang was anonymous and Billingsley and Gagnon didn't seem to get nearly as much ice time as he other 4? Forwards are generally neat and tidy players but no end product. So frustrating. Farmer as usual put 100% in tonight but couldn't wait to get off the ice.
It's just not clicking for some reason, time to earn your salary Corey!
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Post by Big Popper on Sept 23, 2017 21:57:46 GMT
Well here comes a ban That was poo poo Why can we be so good on the CHl get all our hopes up Win the Continental cup etc Fact is Corey seems to be able to get the team u for a one off but come the meat and drink we are god awful It's.been the same every year On paper we have the best team ( apart from last year ) But we can't get up for the games that really count You'd have thought he'd have learnt by now the sooner we are shot of Neilsons 50/50 hockey the happier I'll be Eg we have a player that has scored masses of points in every league he's played in he comes to panthers and he looks lost to be honest I hardly notice him. As far as I'm concerned there should be only one person who takes responsibility for this. I'll be back on wed Wednesday I must be a so and so but hay 27 years I keep living in hope but will always be let down
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Post by pantherdman on Sept 23, 2017 21:58:26 GMT
We make our netminder look terrible and the opposition netminder look superb. It's been the same for years. We just shoot into their chests. It's the tactics and the discipline. Has been for years. Playing short compounds it. When the brits are the best players, there is something fundamentally wrong at the club. Starts at the top. Don't care to ice a fullsquad.
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Post by Big Popper on Sept 23, 2017 22:04:05 GMT
Just got in from work. Am I reading this right? EIHL Scoresheet says they scored an empty net goal at 11.14, so where were our netminders as we seem to have only been in the nets for 41.32 minutes of the game? I'm confused. Garnet played 34.07 and Gospel 7.25 apparently. Hoping I've got this all wrong. Yeah you got it wrong Netty pulled with abou 1:30 left like it would make difference
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Post by iginla on Sept 23, 2017 22:12:37 GMT
Different players,same coach and same problems I'm afraid. Neilson should have gone two years ago. Players motivate themselves for the CHL,but obviously Neilson doesn't have a clue how to motivate players for bread and butter league games.
"It's a young team and they will make mistakes" he keeps saying. Sorry Corey,but Sauve,Lacho and Garnett all gifted goals tonight and none of those three can use the youngster card to excuse themselves.
Shocking powerplay,terrible defending,mistake after mistake,turnover after turnover,gifting goals galore etc etc etc.
I'm sick and tired of seeing the same thing happen again and again and again under Neilson !
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Post by spik on Sept 23, 2017 22:13:43 GMT
Just got in from work. Am I reading this right? EIHL Scoresheet says they scored an empty net goal at 11.14, so where were our netminders as we seem to have only been in the nets for 41.32 minutes of the game? I'm confused. Garnet played 34.07 and Gospel 7.25 apparently. Hoping I've got this all wrong. Yeah you got it wrong Netty pulled with abou 1:30 left like it would make difference Unfortunately I read it right then and Elite are wrong as it states otherwise. Thanks for info. This empty netter shows before our Betteridge goal. EDIT/ADD...It's been changed but still shows Gospel playing less than 8 minutes??
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Sept 23, 2017 22:28:02 GMT
Didn't Corey say in the NEP this week he'd been giving players an easy week in order for them to have full energy this weekend... what a load of good that did!
Didn't Corey say that the League was his 'laser-focus'? He's banging on about how hardworking this team is, but the domestic results & performances are matching up to the mighty efforts of Matt Carter & Chris Lawrence.
Same old, same old. We get our hopes up, but at the end of the day it's still Corey playing his decade-old ineffective systems. Said it before and will say it again... the Grand Slam was a fluke.
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Post by wantsabeard on Sept 23, 2017 23:15:28 GMT
Someone needs to run their NM. He has been happily dishing out the stick and he seems the sort to lose it if roughed up a bit. Nice guys finish last. Well, at least you guys can't ever complain about Steelers running Netties again
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Post by iginla on Sept 23, 2017 23:20:41 GMT
Didn't Corey say in the NEP this week he'd been giving players an easy week in order for them to have full energy this weekend... what a load of good that did! Didn't Corey say that the League was his 'laser-focus'? He's banging on about how hardworking this team is, but the domestic results & performances are matching up to the mighty efforts of Matt Carter & Chris Lawrence. Same old, same old. We get our hopes up, but at the end of the day it's still Corey playing his decade-old ineffective systems. Said it before and will say it again... the Grand Slam was a fluke. Yeah he did. He also said after the Sheffield game we needed to work on defence. He also said after the Guildford game we need to work on defence. It makes you wonder what the bloody hell they do all week in training ! You need to go Corey,because you are inept and full of crap !
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Post by mcclernon85 on Sept 24, 2017 1:40:57 GMT
All this talk about you lot playing short.
You are aware we haven't even signed 2 imports yet?
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Post by cooperphil156 on Sept 24, 2017 6:09:28 GMT
As said the early signs for the season were good - we had hit the ground running and there was an understanding between players in the CHL matches which we didn't see initially in the treble winning team. OK to have a pop at GM and NB, but this roster looked good and nothing has changed from that apart from one absent D man. These players dont come in without a significant cost. One thing which has been at the back of my mind is I am not sure we have the player with the passing ability of Ling (maybe impossible to wish for that) or Heerema? Also CHL teams know little of how we set up and our plays, while Elite coaches have worked us out perhaps? Regarding the game the give away by Sauve was poor (and he repeated this) for one goal and the turnover involving Clarke left the D out of position for another. Mosey contrived to miss a sitter in the 3rd, while someone else followed suit (not sure who). Garners performance was below par and he had flaws in Cardiff. Having said all that we should really have been almost out of sight after the first period and we "won" the 3rd period easily (on balance of play). When its bad, as in the second, the wheels really come off and we fold. People dont like Mosey back on the D, but we did play Jordan Fox there for some time with great effect. Its easy to jump on Coreys back and he has to take a lot of the blame for these last few performances - and the credit for the CHL ones. However power plays are still innocuous and the D not performing to the level it did in the CHL. The symptoms are there this season which we saw last, but we do have a better roster. Lest hope that it can be QUCKLY turned around. Looking for positives Gospel was sound - more so that at Sheffield, while Ollie has really progressed. It will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow and on Wednesday.
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