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Post by iginla on May 12, 2017 14:54:58 GMT
He certainly played well in the GB team recently. Not as tentative as we have seen him on occasions. I'm pleased he's back, but he does need to be scoring 30-40 pts, not 15-20. Even Marc Levers, playing as a defensive forward, scored 20-30 pts when he came back. Let's be honest. He's frightened of his own shadow in the EIHL. He needs to show some balls,find some grit,get in the corners and play harder For the kind of money he costs,he should be getting 40 points a season minimum !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on May 12, 2017 15:05:53 GMT
If it were not for the ridiculous import limit he would be serving drinks during the period breaks. The need for British passport holders will be the death of the Elite League at some point in the future.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on May 12, 2017 15:32:47 GMT
Great ability, rubbish attitude. A perfect example of being under Neilson's wing.
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Post by brodeurfan1993 on May 12, 2017 15:48:37 GMT
He certainly played well in the GB team recently. Not as tentative as we have seen him on occasions. I'm pleased he's back, but he does need to be scoring 30-40 pts, not 15-20. Even Marc Levers, playing as a defensive forward, scored 20-30 pts when he came back. Let's be honest. He's frightened of his own shadow in the EIHL. He needs to show some balls,find some grit,get in the corners and play harder For the kind of money he costs,he should be getting 40 points a season minimum ! He's been played in totally the wrong kind of role for the last couple of seasons. The GB games showed that.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 16:18:36 GMT
Happy he's back.
I've never had an issue with Lacho when he doesn't have the puck. When he's utilising his speed on the forecheck (did this very well when he was lined up with Sarkanis & Betteridge at the back end of last season), disrupting a play or killing a penalty he's absolutely fine, the problems come when he has to make decisions with the puck (especially in the offensive zone) as he's far too tentative with it and doesn't seem to want to shoot.
I don't need Lacho scoring 30+ points to be considered an effective member on the team as on a team that rolls 4 lines he has a role to play (bottom 6 defensive forward) that doesn't necessitate him scoring a high amount of points. As much as the talent is there for that kind of output I think those days are behind him and we have to accept that (difficult as that may be) and when we do it'll be a lot easier to focus on the qualities he does bring to the table.
He's got absolutely no business taking face-offs though.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 16:46:16 GMT
Lacho is a player I'm not too excited in seeing in a Panthers jersey any more but I'd honestly hate to see him at any other EIHL team because he'd probably excel.
He contributes and does his bit but I don't think we'll ever see the Lacho of old again in Panthers colours. It's a shame because for GB he looks a completely different player.
It's Corey's role to get those performances to transfer to the EIHL.
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Post by jd on May 12, 2017 19:34:38 GMT
He needs to play on the wing. Corey has an obsession with playing people out of position. Only one who really worked was Mark Richardson. Play him with a decent centre and I think he will have more points.
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Post by cooperphil156 on May 12, 2017 19:38:33 GMT
To me he has not progressed as much as one would hope. He has good speed, but doesn't seem to have added as much to that as he should have. Its all very well saying he has not been utilised to his assets and that he is too good to be more than a penalty kill player, but its up to him to put a case forward, which I don't think he has. Really its very much up to him. Yes everyone who was there remembers his stunning goal against Hamburg, but it should have been a platform and not a plateau I don't agree with comments about being under Coreys wing. It didn't do Mosey much harm, Lepine or Farmer. You cannot play the game for these players as coach.
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Post by iginla on May 12, 2017 20:22:29 GMT
He needs to play on the wing. Corey has an obsession with playing people out of position. Only one who really worked was Mark Richardson. Play him with a decent centre and I think he will have more points. Playing as a winger means going into a corner though and Lacho doesn't like doing that,because it might hurt ! He always goes towards one looking over his shoulder,has a little stick waft at arms length and rarely comes away with the puck. It's a wonder he ever took up ice hockey when he was a kid.....badminton would have been more suited !
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on May 12, 2017 22:03:28 GMT
To me he has not progressed as much as one would hope. He has good speed, but doesn't seem to have added as much to that as he should have. Its all very well saying he has not been utilised to his assets and that he is too good to be more than a penalty kill player, but its up to him to put a case forward, which I don't think he has. Really its very much up to him. Yes everyone who was there remembers his stunning goal against Hamburg, but it should have been a platform and not a plateau I don't agree with comments about being under Coreys wing. It didn't do Mosey much harm, Lepine or Farmer. You cannot play the game for these players as coach. It didn't do Mosey, Lepine or Farmer harm because they didn't grow up under Neilson. Asides from 1 season under Tony Hand at Manchester, when Lacho came back a revelation, Neilson has coached him every season of his pro career. Neilson accepts mediocrity too easily - showing this most evidently in guys like Lacho and Lee playing like they're in the twilight of their careers when they should be in their prime!
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Post by iginla on May 12, 2017 22:29:07 GMT
To me he has not progressed as much as one would hope. He has good speed, but doesn't seem to have added as much to that as he should have. Its all very well saying he has not been utilised to his assets and that he is too good to be more than a penalty kill player, but its up to him to put a case forward, which I don't think he has. Really its very much up to him. Yes everyone who was there remembers his stunning goal against Hamburg, but it should have been a platform and not a plateau I don't agree with comments about being under Coreys wing. It didn't do Mosey much harm, Lepine or Farmer. You cannot play the game for these players as coach. It didn't do Mosey, Lepine or Farmer harm because they didn't grow up under Neilson. Asides from 1 season under Tony Hand at Manchester, when Lacho came back a revelation, Neilson has coached him every season of his pro career. Neilson accepts mediocrity too easily - showing this most evidently in guys like Lacho and Lee playing like they're in the twilight of their careers when they should be in their prime! Strange isn't it that Lacho came back strong after that one season under Tony Hand,then went backwards........just a thought !
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Post by texpef on May 12, 2017 22:54:41 GMT
Lacho is a player I'm not too excited in seeing in a Panthers jersey any more but I'd honestly hate to see him at any other EIHL team because he'd probably excel. He contributes and does his bit but I don't think we'll ever see the Lacho of old again in Panthers colours. It's a shame because for GB he looks a completely different player. It's Corey's role to get those performances to transfer to the EIHL. Im not picking on you but this is a typical response to a hit and miss signing such a lacho... its Coreys job etc but to expect this when the last 4 seasons suggest he isn't capable oh motivating these players nor signing a team of sufficient quality is really to keep doing the same thing and expect difference results... We have re-signed an underachieving coach for yet another year something I suspect would not be tolerated by any of our rivals, how on earth does this send the right message to any playing staff we may have/sign?...
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 6:46:31 GMT
Lacho is a player I'm not too excited in seeing in a Panthers jersey any more but I'd honestly hate to see him at any other EIHL team because he'd probably excel. He contributes and does his bit but I don't think we'll ever see the Lacho of old again in Panthers colours. It's a shame because for GB he looks a completely different player. It's Corey's role to get those performances to transfer to the EIHL. Im not picking on you but this is a typical response to a hit and miss signing such a lacho... its Coreys job etc but to expect this when the last 4 seasons suggest he isn't capable oh motivating these players nor signing a team of sufficient quality is really to keep doing the same thing and expect difference results... We have re-signed an underachieving coach for yet another year something I suspect would not be tolerated by any of our rivals, how on earth does this send the right message to any playing staff we may have/sign?... For what it's worth I agree with you. I think another coach would get more out of Lacho(and others). For the vast majority of his career Corey has been his coach, he is too comfortable here. A different subject but good or bad year ahead I think this will be Corey's last year so may be the last season Lacho is allowed to coast it.
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Post by deke on May 13, 2017 8:27:59 GMT
I'm suprised.given that if corey does not deliver this year he is surely certain to go, why sign a guy known for being at best invisible for most of the season, at worst a liability?
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Post by cooperphil156 on May 13, 2017 8:34:58 GMT
It didn't do Mosey, Lepine or Farmer harm because they didn't grow up under Neilson. Asides from 1 season under Tony Hand at Manchester, when Lacho came back a revelation, Neilson has coached him every season of his pro career. Neilson accepts mediocrity too easily - showing this most evidently in guys like Lacho and Lee playing like they're in the twilight of their careers when they should be in their prime! Strange isn't it that Lacho came back strong after that one season under Tony Hand,then went backwards........just a thought ! Its not to do with growing up under a coach, otherwise the job would be easy. At any sport its also what a coach adds to a player. Lepine was mainly a goon when he came to the Panthers and improved a lot, as did Mosey. Mosey I understand has then gone up a notch - so its what a coach adds to potential. With regard to Tony Hand - I seem to remember didn't he have a spell as GB coach -------? Its up to the likes of Lacho and Lee to accept responsibility for their own actions on the ice. Blaming CN is an easy way out.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on May 13, 2017 9:25:06 GMT
Strange isn't it that Lacho came back strong after that one season under Tony Hand,then went backwards........just a thought ! Its not to do with growing up under a coach, otherwise the job would be easy. At any sport its also what a coach adds to a player. Lepine was mainly a goon when he came to the Panthers and improved a lot, as did Mosey. Mosey I understand has then gone up a notch - so its what a coach adds to potential. With regard to Tony Hand - I seem to remember didn't he have a spell as GB coach -------? Its up to the likes of Lacho and Lee to accept responsibility for their own actions on the ice. Blaming CN is an easy way out. As much as it is up to Lacho and Lee to accept responsibility, there is almost as much responsibility on the coach. If he sends out a clear message to say he won't stand for poor performances then you can't really blame the coach if they don't pick it up. Neilson has sent nothing but idle threats of 'changes' etc which don't materialise... breeding a poor attitude from players who probably get paid a lot and know that only an injury will see them not play! Lacho has been getting progressively worse for the past 4 years - in effort levels and production - and if he were an import he would have gone years ago. Also Lacho gets after all these damp performances is a message from Neilson that he must do better?!
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Post by nate24 on May 13, 2017 11:07:15 GMT
Here's hoping he can prove worthy of the spot. Not excited but will give him a chance....again!
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Post by iginla on May 13, 2017 11:48:04 GMT
Its not to do with growing up under a coach, otherwise the job would be easy. At any sport its also what a coach adds to a player. Lepine was mainly a goon when he came to the Panthers and improved a lot, as did Mosey. Mosey I understand has then gone up a notch - so its what a coach adds to potential. With regard to Tony Hand - I seem to remember didn't he have a spell as GB coach -------? Its up to the likes of Lacho and Lee to accept responsibility for their own actions on the ice. Blaming CN is an easy way out. As much as it is up to Lacho and Lee to accept responsibility, there is almost as much responsibility on the coach. If he sends out a clear message to say he won't stand for poor performances then you can't really blame the coach if they don't pick it up. Neilson has sent nothing but idle threats of 'changes' etc which don't materialise... breeding a poor attitude from players who probably get paid a lot and know that only an injury will see them not play! Lacho has been getting progressively worse for the past 4 years - in effort levels and production - and if he were an import he would have gone years ago. Also Lacho gets after all these damp performances is a message from Neilson that he must do better?! Spot on. And that is exactly the same message Lacho got last summer ! Did much change....not really.
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Post by pantherdman on May 13, 2017 13:56:13 GMT
Solid 5th line Brit
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Post by shmyrohdear on May 13, 2017 18:35:28 GMT
Very happy we have chosen to keep him, unlike a lot of people (not necessarily on here) i think a bottom six defensive role suits him and provides us with better depth, we will be rolling 4 lines regardless and i would prefer an import point player in the top 6 over a Brit putting up a potential 40-50 points and that's not even guaranteed, it'd be such a big risk to use him for big totals. We need role players that can transition, Lacho had a very good season as bottom six forward. His back checking ability is by far the best any brit has to offer and paying close attention you'll see him cause a lot of turnovers in the neutral zone.
His point production was up and on a very bad team, he's a solid PK piece. As long as we find the right guys to compliment him and solidify our depth I'm content with the signing but he needs​ to chip the same point total or add 10 to it and build off of a better year than he's had for a while.
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Post by deke on May 14, 2017 8:54:41 GMT
The only way Lachowitz is redeeming himself for the shower of poo poo he has provided the last few years is to have an unbelievable season. I mean exceptional, he has stolen a wage for years and by all rights has had his last chance multiple times. He should have been ditched to send a message that a Brit player had to do more than actually put on his skates to earn a new contract. Lachowitz getting a new contract is rewarding him for doing sod all.... Again
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 9:36:05 GMT
The only way Lachowitz is redeeming himself for the shower of poo poo he has provided the last few years is to have an unbelievable season. I mean exceptional, he has stolen a wage for years and by all rights has had his last chance multiple times. He should have been ditched to send a message that a Brit player had to do more than actually put on his skates to earn a new contract. Lachowitz getting a new contract is rewarding him for doing sod all.... Again And your definition of an exceptional season for Lacho would be...?
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Post by deke on May 14, 2017 10:00:38 GMT
Putting up a lot more points would be a great start. Playing like he actually can be bothered would be superb
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2017 10:17:51 GMT
Putting up a lot more points would be a great start. Playing like he actually can be bothered would be superb If he's put in the bottom 6 as he should be then he won't be scoring 'a lot more points' so he's going to fall at the first hurdle for you based on that expectation. I know Corey had said he expects more production from Lacho but I suspect thats to appease those who are dissatisfied with the re-signing more than anything. I'm not one who thinks he can't be bothered either, I think that's his seemingly blasè attitude is more down to his general demeanour which doesn't help when it comes to people's perceptions of him as a player.
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Post by wgray on May 14, 2017 11:19:51 GMT
Lacho was better towards the end of last season on the 4th line with Ollie and Sarkanis, hopefully Ollie will be retained so if we can sign somebody similar to Sarkanis but better then hopefully we will resultantly see some success from Lacho.
Lacho is a 4th line role player, if we can add some speed, skill and youth to that line to play with him then he will be a good re-signing.
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