Shaggy
Forum Moderator
Am I a cynical idealist or an idealistic cynic?
Posts: 10,995
|
Post by Shaggy on Apr 30, 2017 1:37:36 GMT
Assessment of the Panthers contingent on the GB team:- Lee... was part of a nearly-airtight defensive unit - didn't stand out, but in a Dman that's usually a good thing. Clarke... 2 good goals earlier in the week, was an integral part of the team offensively and on team defence. Lacho... part of the 'shutdown' line with Cowley and Jono Philips that made a massive difference in stopping the opposition. Points only tell part of the story... Farmer... a human wrecking ball, made the opposition's life a misery. Mosey (OK, so an ex Panther)... carved through the opposing defences like they were standing still. A joy to watch.
The whole team was fantastic - nobody, but NOBODY saw that result against Japan coming. Amazing stuff...
|
|
|
Post by spik on Apr 30, 2017 1:46:59 GMT
I can agree. I expected after Croatia that Japan ( as said before) would be the only difficult task. But we shut them out.....well better get down to calculating and refreshing the all time stuff again.Will plant on here once done.
|
|
Pies
Forum Moderator
Reluctant Chief of ITK
Posts: 4,879
|
Post by Pies on Apr 30, 2017 10:24:48 GMT
I'm going to put possibly a bit of a controversial point out there: there was a perceived view that with an increase in import levels, that Brits would struggle to hold down places in the Elite League and GB would suffer. But for me, the standard of GB has increased massively in recent years in correlation with the import increase. I feel we are leaving players out now who years ago, would have walked into GB no questions. Is this because we are putting them against players of a higher standard week in week out and they have had to sink or swim?
|
|
iginla
Chick Zamick
Posts: 13,484
|
Post by iginla on Apr 30, 2017 10:51:58 GMT
I'm going to put possibly a bit of a controversial point out there: there was a perceived view that with an increase in import levels, that Brits would struggle to hold down places in the Elite League and GB would suffer. But for me, the standard of GB has increased massively in recent years in correlation with the import increase. I feel we are leaving players out now who years ago, would have walked into GB no questions. Is this because we are putting them against players of a higher standard week in week out and they have had to sink or swim? Partly maybe,but it's more probably because we had Mosey and Brooks as dual nationals who are both excellent players,plus Stewart who is pretty decent too. That's three slots which would previously have gone to pure Brits a few years ago. Bowns rise in quality makes a difference too,he's a good goalie,better than Murphy or Lyle before him.
|
|
|
Post by DonClaneone on Apr 30, 2017 10:59:29 GMT
I think that's what has improved the national setup.
It's all well and good saying we need more Brits and less imports but how could our national team improve if they were playing average Brits on a weekly basis.
The answer is by bringing in higher quality imports which helps raise the development of the Brits which then helps the national team and if a few Imports are qualified then it's a bonus as the imports on the GB squad can help the younger guys develop to become better players. GB's results have improved dramatically and who can say where we'll end up after next years 1A tournament, can we gain a top 2 finish and be in with the big boys in 2019, time will tell.
|
|
|
Post by spik on Apr 30, 2017 12:03:06 GMT
I think that's what has improved the national setup. It's all well and good saying we need more Brits and less imports but how could our national team improve if they were playing average Brits on a weekly basis. The answer is by bringing in higher quality imports which helps raise the development of the Brits which then helps the national team and if a few Imports are qualified then it's a bonus as the imports on the GB squad can help the younger guys develop to become better players. GB's results have improved dramatically and who can say where we'll end up after next years 1A tournament, can we gain a top 2 finish and be in with the big boys in 2019, time will tell. and look at these guys who have jumped over us to the top tier now.wow.Though I have not looked into the import quota of this team. wmia2017.iihf.com/en/news/kor-ukr/
|
|
|
Post by DonClaneone on Apr 30, 2017 12:30:04 GMT
I count from their roster they have 5 imports in the team, we had 2 in Brooks and Mosey.
The Asia League Ice Hockey does allow for a mass influx of imports although I can't find anything regarding numbers.
|
|
|
Post by Bagheera on Apr 30, 2017 12:56:32 GMT
I'm going to put possibly a bit of a controversial point out there: there was a perceived view that with an increase in import levels, that Brits would struggle to hold down places in the Elite League and GB would suffer. But for me, the standard of GB has increased massively in recent years in correlation with the import increase. I feel we are leaving players out now who years ago, would have walked into GB no questions. Is this because we are putting them against players of a higher standard week in week out and they have had to sink or swim? Very much my long standing view. There is no good having a load of average/poor Brits playing with a few quality imports. If anything the imports will coast and come down a level as opposed to Brits getting better. The Brits will simply not improve. Having more doesn't mean better quality. Having an average of say 4 Brits per Elite team(plus those playing in other leagues) will give you a pool of 40/50 players playing at a good level. Playing with better players who will force them to get better. In a minority sport I think it's better to have a smaller pool playing a higher standard as opposed to volume of players playing for numbers sake. You can only take half of those to a tournament and as you say we are leaving some very good players out. The only arguement against it will come to light in the next 3 to 5 years when the older guys start to retire. On the surface you could argue the quality isn't there to fill their skates. However there is time for players to mature into those roles. And there are 3 or 4 potential stars on the way up.
|
|
|
Post by spik on Apr 30, 2017 13:57:09 GMT
Here we go then. The All-Time GB playing lists as we stand after this latest tournament.Appearances Tait
| 110
| Longstaff
| 101
| Weaver
| 96
| Clarke
| 92
| Shields
| 84
| J.Phillips
| 82
| Myers
| 82
| I.Cooper
| 80
| Richardson
| 82
| D.Phillips
| 67
|
Dowd 53 Goals Davey
| 43
| Shields
| 41
| Hand
| 40
| Conway
| 33
| Longstaff
| 32
| I.Cooper
| 30
| Clarke
| 29
| Adey
| 28
| Tait
| 25
| Neil
| 23
|
Weaver 21 Dowd 20 Myers 18 J.Phillips 17 Assists Hand
| 82
| Weaver
| 48
| Longstaff
| 45
| Clarke
| 38
| Tait
| 36
| Shields
| 35
| Conway
| 33
| I.Cooper
| 30
| S.Copper
| 27
| O'Connor
| 24
|
Dowd 21 Myers 19 Cowley 18 J.Philips 17 Points Hand
| 122
| Longstaff
| 77
| Shields
| 76
| Weaver
| 69
| Clarke
| 67
| Conway
| 66
| Tait
| 61
| I.Cooper
| 60
| Davey Adey
| 52 52
|
Dowd 41 O'Connor 37 Myers 37 J.Phillips 34 Pims Tait
| 168
| Hurley
| 138
| I.Cooper
| 128
| Myers
| 120
| Bishop
| 109
| Chinn
| 109
| Cranston
| 91
| Longstaff
| 88
| J.Phillips
| 88
| Hope
| 88
|
Clarke 82 Weaver 66 Shields 64 D.Phillips 56
|
|
|
Post by spik on Apr 30, 2017 17:50:28 GMT
Net Minders Appearances Stephen Lyle
| 82
| Steven Murphy
| 66 | Ben Bowns
| 34
| Bill Morrison
| 33
| Willaim Clark
| 31
| Stephen Foster
| 31
| John Puller
| 31
| JimmyFoster
| 29
| Derek Metcalf
| 26
| Joe Watkins
| 25
|
Games Played IN.... Stephen Lyle
| 46
| Steven Murphy
| 39
| Jimmy Foster
| 24
| Ben Bowns
| 22
| John McCrone
| 17
| Bill Morrison
| 17
| Stephen Foster
| 16
| Stan Simon
| 13
| Joe Watkins
| 12
| Vic Gardner
| 10
|
|
|