puckit
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Post by puckit on Apr 27, 2017 18:14:24 GMT
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Yotes
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Post by Yotes on Apr 27, 2017 18:20:30 GMT
I'm getting Access Denied errors, what's the format?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 18:21:31 GMT
Utter garbage again. How the hell the Scottish teams can dictate things like they do when they get 1000 max through the door is anyone's guess !!
Enjoy your 8+ games against the giants steelers and devils again!
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 27, 2017 18:24:38 GMT
Looks like its been taken down again
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Post by fishman on Apr 27, 2017 18:26:13 GMT
Neil Black as made himself look a bigger fool than we thought he was if this is true "forget Panthers v Steelers 8 or 10 it's 2 x 6 teams"
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Post by PantherB on Apr 27, 2017 18:27:47 GMT
Scottish Teams Big 4 Newbies + Blaze & Storm
Very disappointed we'll only have 2 home, 2 away against Blaze and the newbies. Blaze especially. Tend to be better games than Steelers, who we'll be playing a minimum of 8 times.
Black will likely be flipping tables whilst everyone else drinks champagne. Unless Black spends more, and ensures it's wisely spent we will get mullered.
Panthers released it first, mainly because there's an extra game for us to go to so they want to ensure we know tickets are on sale soon.
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Post by Pies on Apr 27, 2017 18:29:39 GMT
This does make the league title as relevant as the Presidents trophy in the NHL. However, the playoff format means that that trophy is pretty pointless to win so we're essentially playing for the conference trophy and a challenge cup.
I getwe need to make a sustainable league but we also need to make it competitive. This just stacks the chips in Braeheads favour and actually could lead to one of the "southern" teams putting on a title bid that isn't really theirs to go for.
Willing to give it a season to see how it goes but I'm not sure
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 18:30:13 GMT
Best decision I've made not renewing st #phew
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 18:31:45 GMT
The only way they league come out of this with any credit is by announcing a playoff series best of format !
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Post by meadow on Apr 27, 2017 18:36:57 GMT
Whilst I tend to agree with this, I imagine part of the reason its been done is the exact opposite - keeping the 'big boys' together playing against each other all the time means we'll take more point offs one another more and keep a false sense of parity in the league. Hypothetically you only have to be competitive against teams in your own conference to be in the mix for the league. Unfortunately where the England conferences are concerned, they've plainly done this in terms of spending power - more like income tax brackets than conferences
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Post by fishman on Apr 27, 2017 18:50:36 GMT
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 27, 2017 18:57:33 GMT
Fuming. Really want to swear, a lot.
I see no point in the league. 56 exibition games before a maximum 4 game play offs. At best 24 competitive games for the conference and 32 exibition games. Yes the same was said by some when the original conferences came in but this is far, fsr worse. A competitive league put aside for profit. Whilst that doesn't suprise me from this league I didn't expect the majority to bow to the greediest few.
Was intending on renewing my ticket tomorrow. Gonna have to think now.
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Post by dp on Apr 27, 2017 18:58:56 GMT
Looking at the article on the website it's a MINIMUM of 10 games against the Steelers then! What a joke.
Completely goes against everything they've been telling us. Not only did they completely back down to the Scottish clubs, they also couldn't resist putting Steelers and Panthers in the same CC group.
And what makes it even more cringeworthy is that after all the stuff from Black about "we realise we're playing Steelers too much - that won't happen again" and that it'll be 2 groups of 6, "no question" because 3 groups of 4 just doesn't work, all the PR comes out saying what an "exciting" new format it is! Who could possibly describe this as exciting? Even the 3 teams ASKING for this never even dared to suggest it was because it made it "exciting" - it was always positioned as being all about making money.
But yeah, the league is now completely meaningless.
The conferences were always meaningless, and are now even more meaningless.
The play offs will be meaningless, because it'll only be 4 games, and the qualification criteria will be such that even qualifying for it will also be meaningless.
So the CC is the only thing to play for really.
So it's one cup to play for, and then a season of, effectively, friendlies/exhibition games.
The Elite League never fails to amaze with how badly it's run - and this is probably their "best" ever!
I really hope fans stop going.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 27, 2017 19:02:23 GMT
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Post by pingchowchi on Apr 27, 2017 19:02:58 GMT
the league now means jack!
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Apr 27, 2017 19:05:13 GMT
as far as I'm concerned it's great. it makes the league as competitive as possible and sustainable as a 12 team league. id much rather it be this way than lose teams due to funding and end up like the epihl. the only change I'd like to be made would be the challenge cup groups done as a cup draw, and 3x3 against your own conference.
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Post by Neil on Apr 27, 2017 19:05:32 GMT
Without doing the maths, it seems its possible to finish 6th, 7th or 8th and not make the play offs, but finish 9th to 12th and make them.
The auto-second seed for conference winners is no longer but all three conference winners will make the play offs
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Post by spik on Apr 27, 2017 19:19:14 GMT
Looking at the article on the website it's a MINIMUM of 10 games against the Steelers then! What a joke. Completely goes against everything they've been telling us. Not only did they completely back down to the Scottish clubs, they also couldn't resist putting Steelers and Panthers in the same CC group. And what makes it even more cringeworthy is that after all the stuff from Black about "we realise we're playing Steelers too much - that won't happen again" and that it'll be 2 groups of 6, "no question" because 3 groups of 4 just doesn't work, all the PR comes out saying what an "exciting" new format it is! Who could possibly describe this as exciting? Even the 3 teams ASKING for this never even dared to suggest it was because it made it "exciting" - it was always positioned as being all about making money. But yeah, the league is now completely meaningless. The conferences were always meaningless, and are now even more meaningless. The play offs will be meaningless, because it'll only be 4 games, and the qualification criteria will be such that even qualifying for it will also be meaningless. So the CC is the only thing to play for really. So it's one cup to play for, and then a season of, effectively, friendlies/exhibition games. The Elite League never fails to amaze with how badly it's run - and this is probably their "best" ever! I really hope fans stop going. You have it 'bang on'. No importance to the Play-Offs, which we all know is needed, wether you want the PO to be the main deal or not. Arena money share organised and 'no' competative league programme, just an unfair advantage, more so than previous as someone else said. I love the game just not the organisation. Won't be venturing to games much at all. No enticement for an overall domestic programme.Those who have already bought a ST are stuck with it or might not care for anything bar the 'entertainment' value. They couldn't even resist keeping Nottingham and Sheffield apart in the CUP. Utter tripe.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 19:24:43 GMT
People who have already brought a ST are in a rut and can't get out of it! I can't get excited over rubbish I'm afraid.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Apr 27, 2017 19:25:37 GMT
Looking at the article on the website it's a MINIMUM of 10 games against the Steelers then! What a joke. Completely goes against everything they've been telling us. Not only did they completely back down to the Scottish clubs, they also couldn't resist putting Steelers and Panthers in the same CC group. And what makes it even more cringeworthy is that after all the stuff from Black about "we realise we're playing Steelers too much - that won't happen again" and that it'll be 2 groups of 6, "no question" because 3 groups of 4 just doesn't work, all the PR comes out saying what an "exciting" new format it is! Who could possibly describe this as exciting? Even the 3 teams ASKING for this never even dared to suggest it was because it made it "exciting" - it was always positioned as being all about making money. But yeah, the league is now completely meaningless. The conferences were always meaningless, and are now even more meaningless. The play offs will be meaningless, because it'll only be 4 games, and the qualification criteria will be such that even qualifying for it will also be meaningless. So the CC is the only thing to play for really. So it's one cup to play for, and then a season of, effectively, friendlies/exhibition games. The Elite League never fails to amaze with how badly it's run - and this is probably their "best" ever! I really hope fans stop going. Largely agree with the above. The league is totally meaningless, although the winner of division 1 over the season will to my mind be the best in Britain. I am not sure whether I will be attending cross conference matches. If points were to be a measure as already said - 2 teams of 6 with 2 divisions 1 conference with 2 teams from the announced division 1 and the other 2 in the other conference. Presumably as has been said some of the Scottish teams have threatened to not take part. Well the greatest battle in Europe etc etc will keep on going and going ---
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Post by iginla on Apr 27, 2017 19:28:25 GMT
Absolute garbage that 3x4 conference system,it completely devalues the league title. Another first round bye in the cup for the Giants too.
And what happens for the play offs ? One of the big four definitely doesn't make the play offs at all and two of the big four quite probably don't make the quarter final if it's top 2 in each conference plus the two best 3rd place,even though they are quite probably better teams than some who do. Even if it's top 8 in the league who qualify it's still not going to be a true reflection of the best 8 teams. And if they bump up two conference winners to no2 or no3 seed then 2nd in the league becomes no4 seed which is totally unfair.
What a bloody farce this joke of a league is,only the EIHL could bugger something up that bad !
# tail wagging the dog AGAIN.
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Post by wannabe2 on Apr 27, 2017 19:32:47 GMT
What a friggin joke, just like the Mickey Mouse league we have. Three dud Scottish teams calling the shots. Neil Black either your in or your out, or you take over,Is this guy related to Simmsy or what. Either have a league of 9 with proper league champions, where else were Flyers, Caps, Stars going to go. Calling our league Amateurish is to great a compliment. Complete disarray
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Neil
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Post by Neil on Apr 27, 2017 19:32:57 GMT
There has been a video that covers the play offs.
League winners = Seed 1
The conference winners qualify however seedings based on league positions, no auto-second seed.
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 27, 2017 19:33:46 GMT
The worst thing is, aside the challenge cup the only thing worth playing for is the thing that means you have to watch the same teams too often.
We could have let them go. Played a 48 game regular season. Played Sheffield only 3 home and 3 away. Had 2 groups of 4 for playoffs home and away. Giving a guarenteed 54 games season for all but 1 team before Play off semi finals. This last season the league + play off QF totaled 54 games. So we could have had exactly the same whilst not backing down and seeing the usual suspects less often. Also with a better play offs.
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Post by pingchowchi on Apr 27, 2017 19:34:21 GMT
People who have already brought a ST are in a rut and can't get out of it! I can't get excited over rubbish I'm afraid. I really, really wish I had not renewed my season ticket earlier in the week....
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