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Post by Pies on Jan 25, 2017 23:19:12 GMT
Lack of bodies and all 3 of our main scoring threats out. outshot and a complete lack of possession. A 2-1 loss doesn't look that bad all things considered.
Let's be honest, we'll be the happier of the two camps tonight because Sheffield should have won that by a lot more.
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 25, 2017 23:19:33 GMT
For a Sheffield game it was more than flat Higgy,it was punctured and deflated. Surprising really,considering the size of the crowd which Panthers have as 5499......Hahahaha yeah right,not even close ! Please tell me you've just made that up. No season ticket holders who have a seat, but not turned up to account for empty seats. No way more than 4k in there.
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Post by iginla on Jan 25, 2017 23:19:56 GMT
Anybody enlighten me on concussion injuries. I get they can take a long time to get over and symptoms can come back. However can you really be out for 3 months and then after that period of time be unable to play on a Sunday, but good to go 3 days later? Doubtful mate. Waugh is another one who's been taking the pee big time. I bet he wouldn't have played tonight if Lawrence had been fit !
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Post by Yotes on Jan 25, 2017 23:22:21 GMT
Steelers aren't anything special and I was surprised they didn't create more considering our lack of bodies and lack of offence once Williams went off. I think offensively they're a better outfit than we are, puck control and movement is better than ours, by some distance tbh. Defence is suspect and the netminder is a right clown, a complete gift for our goal today. Defensively we did well today, think Miika may want both goals back mind, seemed to go through him. Gary "All to play for" article coming up in 5...
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Post by iginla on Jan 25, 2017 23:25:36 GMT
For a Sheffield game it was more than flat Higgy,it was punctured and deflated. Surprising really,considering the size of the crowd which Panthers have as 5499......Hahahaha yeah right,not even close ! Please tell me you've just made that up. No season ticket holders who have a seat, but not turned up to account for empty seats. No way more than 4k in there. I don't make things up mate.....check the official game sheet. Maximum about 4200 i would say,I even counted the Steelers fans i was so bored and there were 147 of them. And no I'm not joking either !
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Post by mmmbop on Jan 25, 2017 23:29:04 GMT
We was dog crap again
Players short but caused by issues that should have been sorted long ago
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 25, 2017 23:30:03 GMT
Steelers aren't anything special and I was surprised they didn't create more considering our lack of bodies and lack of offence once Williams went off. I think offensively they're a better outfit than we are, puck control and movement is better than ours, by some distance tbh. Defence is suspect and the netminder is a right clown, a complete gift for our goal today. Defensively we did well today, think Miika may want both goals back mind, seemed to go through him. Gary "All to play for" article coming up in 5... What Mustokovs was doing for our goal I have no idea. He had no reason to be covering the other player, but decided to leave the near side completely open for McGratton to pop it in. Almost looked like he couldn't be bothered. Their first looked like a soft one,however I think Miika must have been screened. He better have been because he was miles away from it too.
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Post by PantherB on Jan 25, 2017 23:36:54 GMT
Anybody enlighten me on concussion injuries. I get they can take a long time to get over and symptoms can come back. However can you really be out for 3 months and then after that period of time be unable to play on a Sunday, but good to go 3 days later? In regards to scratched on Sunday, playing on Wednesday, I'd assume the 'Medical Staff' wanted the final, absolute clearance before giving him the Green Light. He had some Specialist Appointment over the weekend so perhaps he had a CT Scan to check for any signs of damage or something, with results coming back on Monday/Tuesday, allowing him to play tonight. The added stress of finishing his Masters at University will likely have held his recovery back slightly.
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Post by iginla on Jan 25, 2017 23:42:05 GMT
Anybody enlighten me on concussion injuries. I get they can take a long time to get over and symptoms can come back. However can you really be out for 3 months and then after that period of time be unable to play on a Sunday, but good to go 3 days later? In regards to scratched on Sunday, playing on Wednesday, I'd assume the 'Medical Staff' wanted the final, absolute clearance before giving him the Green Light. He had some Specialist Appointment over the weekend so perhaps he had a CT Scan to check for any signs of damage or something, with results coming back on Monday/Tuesday, allowing him to play tonight. The added stress of finishing his Masters at University will likely have held his recovery back slightly. I think the word "slightly" might be rather understating the issue in Waughs case ! At least he played tonight though after getting the green light......unlike Schultz !!
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Post by PantherB on Jan 25, 2017 23:52:02 GMT
In regards to scratched on Sunday, playing on Wednesday, I'd assume the 'Medical Staff' wanted the final, absolute clearance before giving him the Green Light. He had some Specialist Appointment over the weekend so perhaps he had a CT Scan to check for any signs of damage or something, with results coming back on Monday/Tuesday, allowing him to play tonight. The added stress of finishing his Masters at University will likely have held his recovery back slightly. I think the word "slightly" might be rather understating the issue in Waughs case ! At least he played tonight though after getting the green light......unlike Schultz !! He wouldn't be allowed to play without approval from Specialists, Panthers would be liable to be sued by Waugh if he developed mental issues later in life if they played him without approval. Schultz is like Higgins, bones and muscles like egg shells but I could guarantee that if he went to another club, injuries would be non existent!
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Post by Bolts on Jan 26, 2017 0:01:48 GMT
The amount of injuries we get does raise the question about the training methods adopted by the coaching team! As well as the ability of the 'medical' team
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Post by iginla on Jan 26, 2017 0:13:49 GMT
The amount of injuries we get does raise the question about the training methods adopted by the coaching team! As well as the ability of the 'medical' team Spot on. Can anybody remember another team ever having so many concussions year on year,or especially concussions for the length of time that Panthers players seem to be kept out with them,because i can't ? Something is definitely wrong with this at Panthers.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 26, 2017 0:45:24 GMT
We seem to put injuries down to luck, or lack of. We just use it as an excuse, like it's totally out of our control.
Steelers have a full time S&C coach and were full strength tonight, they looked stronger for the full 60 minutes. They've looked physically stronger than us every time I've seen them, even when we've beaten them.
We're too tight to pay for one of those though, and then insist on re-signing players we know to have injury issues, so all in all we get what we deserve.
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Post by Mozzy on Jan 26, 2017 0:55:34 GMT
Steelers aren't anything special and I was surprised they didn't create more considering our lack of bodies and lack of offence once Williams went off. I think offensively they're a better outfit than we are, puck control and movement is better than ours, by some distance tbh. Defence is suspect and the netminder is a right clown, a complete gift for our goal today. Defensively we did well today, think Miika may want both goals back mind, seemed to go through him. Gary "All to play for" article coming up in 5... Interesting points.... Mustukovs the clown has a better save %age and GAA than the all star Miika. Whilst that suspect defence has conceded 24 goals less than the Panthers rock solid defence in 1 game more.
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Post by iginla on Jan 26, 2017 1:18:26 GMT
I think offensively they're a better outfit than we are, puck control and movement is better than ours, by some distance tbh. Defence is suspect and the netminder is a right clown, a complete gift for our goal today. Defensively we did well today, think Miika may want both goals back mind, seemed to go through him. Gary "All to play for" article coming up in 5... Interesting points.... Mustukovs the clown has a better save %age and GAA than the all star Miika. Whilst that suspect defence has conceded 24 goals less than the Panthers rock solid defence in 1 game more. Ah but Mozzy,there's a simple answer... Steelers are good and Panthers ain't. We have to play against you and you get to play against us. If you had to play yourselves and we could play ourselves the stats would be different ! 😀😀 Lol
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Post by Yotes on Jan 26, 2017 1:41:20 GMT
I never said our D was rock solid (far from it), and I'm just going by what I've seen, which is you versus us at our place. Mustuwhatnot has always seemed overly aggressive, out too far and exposes himself (oo-err missus etc) down the sides. We did our usual shooting straight at him tonight, but he still found a way to give us 1. If you had Miika, who again I never called an all star, but is better than Ervins ( ), you'd clean up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 4:47:44 GMT
The amount of injuries we get does raise the question about the training methods adopted by the coaching team! As well as the ability of the 'medical' team There isn't no ability in the medical team. They are bloody hopeless if you ask me. I wouldn't pay them as with other backroom staff in bent washers
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Post by shmyrohdear on Jan 26, 2017 7:04:21 GMT
The amount of injuries we get does raise the question about the training methods adopted by the coaching team! As well as the ability of the 'medical' team There isn't no ability in the medical team. They are bloody hopeless if you ask me. I wouldn't pay them as with other backroom staff in bent washers After the League title campaign didn't we part ways with our strength and conditioning trainer? Which begs the question, are we cutting corners training at just a gym with standard trainers? Because this run of injuries in both mass and in length of games missed absolutely dwarfs what we've seen in the past. Not only that but we seem far less willing to ice guys asap and we hold them back for longer (i understand the concussion argument but with the lack of cover we see the club run on said injuries i find hard to believe the limited information they eventually decide to release). Personally speaking, i think we're just not shelling out to get a deal done privately with a proven trainer and have chosen to pick up another sponsor and use that to cut out that secondary cost (potential cost). Either way to me something doesn't seem right, whether that be the (potential) lack of trainer, the medical team dropping the ball or even just our usual signing players with injury histories. Regardless of the reason, it is something this club needs to address and fix. It ruins our league campaign, has become a trend and what's worse is the club cover the trail with ticket sale pushes or just silence. Not a fan of abandoning the league title before December to just miraculously sign players late and make a playoff run and go for that oh so nothing CC (seriously, the CC is a joke).
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Post by cooperphil156 on Jan 26, 2017 7:13:36 GMT
"Doubtful mate. Waugh is another one who's been taking the pee big time. I bet he wouldn't have played tonight if Lawrence had been fit !" Iginla
Look you seem to be close to some players and will know that the problem is that with concussion the criteria are very strict now with regard to when players can return. Like many I am not happy, but there has to be some fairness in the comments - but then thats Iginla.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Jan 26, 2017 7:20:54 GMT
"Doubtful mate. Waugh is another one who's been taking the pee big time. I bet he wouldn't have played tonight if Lawrence had been fit !" Iginla Look you seem to be close to some players and will know that the problem is that with concussion the criteria are very strict now with regard to when players can return. Like many I am not happy, but there has to be some fairness in the comments - but then thats Iginla.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Jan 26, 2017 7:25:37 GMT
There isn't no ability in the medical team. They are bloody hopeless if you ask me. I wouldn't pay them as with other backroom staff in bent washers After the League title campaign didn't we part ways with our strength and conditioning trainer? Which begs the question, are we cutting corners training at just a gym with standard trainers? Because this run of injuries in both mass and in length of games missed absolutely dwarfs what we've seen in the past. Not only that but we seem far less willing to ice guys asap and we hold them back for longer (i understand the concussion argument but with the lack of cover we see the club run on said injuries i find hard to believe the limited information they eventually decide to release). Personally speaking, i think we're just not shelling out to get a deal done privately with a proven trainer and have chosen to pick up another sponsor and use that to cut out that secondary cost (potential cost). Either way to me something doesn't seem right, whether that be the (potential) lack of trainer, the medical team dropping the ball or even just our usual signing players with injury histories. Regardless of the reason, it is something this club needs to address and fix. It ruins our league campaign, has become a trend and what's worse is the club cover the trail with ticket sale pushes or just silence. Not a fan of abandoning the league title before December to just miraculously sign players late and make a playoff run and go for that oh so nothing CC (seriously, the CC is a joke). I don't agree with this - ice hockey is going to produce injuries - a lot of these are impact injuries, which occur at a regular rate. As posted, for what the owner wanted European success the squad is too small. Add on hassles of travel time abroad and you come to a point where the squad has been ground into the ground. Another consideration is that the more you play the less time you have to coaching wise correct problems.
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Post by Mark on Jan 26, 2017 7:42:04 GMT
Bottom line is, it appears the likes of Sheffield, Cardiff and Belfast are doing what it takes to challenge and we are not.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Jan 26, 2017 7:46:51 GMT
After the League title campaign didn't we part ways with our strength and conditioning trainer? Which begs the question, are we cutting corners training at just a gym with standard trainers? Because this run of injuries in both mass and in length of games missed absolutely dwarfs what we've seen in the past. Not only that but we seem far less willing to ice guys asap and we hold them back for longer (i understand the concussion argument but with the lack of cover we see the club run on said injuries i find hard to believe the limited information they eventually decide to release). Personally speaking, i think we're just not shelling out to get a deal done privately with a proven trainer and have chosen to pick up another sponsor and use that to cut out that secondary cost (potential cost). Either way to me something doesn't seem right, whether that be the (potential) lack of trainer, the medical team dropping the ball or even just our usual signing players with injury histories. Regardless of the reason, it is something this club needs to address and fix. It ruins our league campaign, has become a trend and what's worse is the club cover the trail with ticket sale pushes or just silence. Not a fan of abandoning the league title before December to just miraculously sign players late and make a playoff run and go for that oh so nothing CC (seriously, the CC is a joke). I don't agree with this - ice hockey is going to produce injuries - a lot of these are impact injuries, which occur at a regular rate. As posted, for what the owner wanted European success the squad is too small. Add on hassles of travel time abroad and you come to a point where the squad has been ground into the ground. Another consideration is that the more you play the less time you have to coaching wise correct problems. And yet we are riddled with them far more than any other team and still do not provide cover nor explanations like every other team. Impact injuries, that's why you have strength and conditioning trainers, to help prevent and build resiliency against these injuries. Travel is not a factor, all of our imports travel more miles in the American leagues and in Europe than a couple of trips away. They also travel more in half a season than we do all year and with a higher frequency of games. To our imports travel is not an excuse, period. Coaches all over the world don't have an issue, Steelers don't have that issue. They are able to build strong league campaigns every season with the odd blip, we are no different than anyone else in terms of situation. If the coach can't adapt on the fly then sack him and get someone that can because that isn't good enough for a professional coach boasting such a great past record.
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Post by Mozzy on Jan 26, 2017 8:19:44 GMT
I never said our D was rock solid (far from it), and I'm just going by what I've seen, which is you versus us at our place. Mustuwhatnot has always seemed overly aggressive, out too far and exposes himself (oo-err missus etc) down the sides. We did our usual shooting straight at him tonight, but he still found a way to give us 1. If you had Miika, who again I never called an all star, but is better than Ervins ( ), you'd clean up. Can't argue with that really. Giving Moose some credence though he really has had some storming games for us. He was labelled as Mr 92% and that is pretty much where he is, that gives you a chance in any league.
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Post by Mozzy on Jan 26, 2017 8:23:47 GMT
Interesting points.... Mustukovs the clown has a better save %age and GAA than the all star Miika. Whilst that suspect defence has conceded 24 goals less than the Panthers rock solid defence in 1 game more. Ah but Mozzy,there's a simple answer... Steelers are good and Panthers ain't. We have to play against you and you get to play against us. If you had to play yourselves and we could play ourselves the stats would be different ! 😀😀 Lol Ha ha...quality!! Not been on for a month or so, so missed all the conti cup stuff. Congratulations on that by the way, stunning effort.
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