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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Dec 11, 2016 20:39:59 GMT
looking at the highlights from Cardiff it looks like we played similar to tonight, only difference being miika, we cause ourself way too many problems with turnovers in our own zone, basic errors messing behind and in front of our own net . on tonight , I don't think I could count more than a handful of face offs we won. I don't understand why Corey changed lines after their first goal, first period was a little dull, but we were 1-0 up and pretty comfortable, I think Corey panics and by doing that and messing with all the lines again caused a lot more problems. Corey is the problem with this team. there's no chemistry and as soon as a line gets some he changes it. Clueless
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Post by Mark on Dec 11, 2016 20:44:21 GMT
Good to have the real Panthers back. Fitness looks an issue to me, our players were blowing hard all evening. Poor conditioning, a lack of discipline concerning booze and diet or a bit of both.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Dec 11, 2016 21:04:18 GMT
Good to have the real Panthers back. Fitness looks an issue to me, our players were blowing hard all evening. Poor conditioning, a lack of discipline concerning booze and diet or a bit of both. I know for a fact that any self-respecting Vanarama Conference Head Coach would be doing his nut if he got wind of players drinking the night before a game. Panthers encourage it twice in two weeks. Says it all really. *Braehead game mid-week with sponsors event at Saltbox & Cardiff last week with the pub quiz.
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Post by Pies on Dec 11, 2016 21:34:00 GMT
Am I the only one who enjoyed that?!
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Post by iginla on Dec 11, 2016 21:53:40 GMT
Am I the only one who enjoyed that?! Probably Pies yes.....but it was quite entertaining as a comedy of errors ! I do wish Corey would stop bleating about being short of bodies though,we ain't that short,only an import plus Clarkey tonight. Cardiff were missing two imports and still beat Sheffield !!
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Post by John Casey on Dec 11, 2016 21:58:03 GMT
Well that is a 4 point weekend. However how many breakaways did the Blaze have? well at least they shown some fighting spirit. Mind you Brian Stewart certainly gives a large view of goal during a Penalty Shot.
Also if Waugh and Dimmen are going to be out for awhile still, they have got to find cover, there has to be someone good enough to do a job, just to be able to take some shifts, going short has gone on long enough.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Dec 11, 2016 21:58:25 GMT
Am I the only one who enjoyed that?! I enjoyed it as well - but still frustrated that we do not know what team is going to show up at each game, and how we can dominate a team away from home and then struggle at home - something is fundamentally wrong - we can still be the most entertaining team in the league, but it needs sorting out - NOW!!!!!
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Post by PantherG on Dec 11, 2016 21:59:01 GMT
I thought we were two short, Dimmen and Waugh. We are season ticket holders, but didn't bother going. Seems like it was another bumpy ride, but at least we got two points, sadly this season has really demotivated me with what I've seen and I've pretty much lost my appetite for the game, highly doubtful we will renew our season tickets for next season.
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Post by PantherG on Dec 11, 2016 22:01:07 GMT
Am I the only one who enjoyed that?! I enjoyed it as well - but still frustrated that we do not know what team is going to show up at each game, and how we can dominate a team away from home and then struggle at home - something is fundamentally wrong - we can still be the most entertaining team in the league, but it needs sorting out - NOW!!!!! It doesn't really matter to be honest, league is long gone, so only expect to see bodies in for the Supercup final as they probably believe a win their will make everyone else forget how horrendous this season has been.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 11, 2016 22:03:22 GMT
Am I the only one who enjoyed that?! I enjoyed it. Not the highest quality game and we were horrific defensively. Ten goals though and a shootout. Good weekend. Too little too late but a good 4 pointer nonetheless.
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Post by iginla on Dec 11, 2016 22:15:04 GMT
I thought we were two short, Dimmen and Waugh. We are season ticket holders, but didn't bother going. Seems like it was another bumpy ride, but at least we got two points, sadly this season has really demotivated me with what I've seen and I've pretty much lost my appetite for the game, highly doubtful we will renew our season tickets for next season. We were missing Dimmen and Waugh yes. But because of spares,we still iced 13 imports plus Pacl,so we were only one import skater short plus Clarkey. When Williams arrives we will have 17 imports if nobody gets gassed !
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Post by Bagheera on Dec 11, 2016 22:33:57 GMT
It was like going back in time 5/6 years. Trying to win by simply scoring more than the opposition with little regard to defense. Panthers old habits of a stinker of a second period, followed by a tight finish. Entertaining, but plenty of mistakes. The reality is the D are going to make mistakes with the key guys logging so many minutes. Perring was woeful. In fact that bad I thought it was Schmichael(however you spell his name) for a while.
Corey's line changing has frustrated me for years but it wasn't anything close to chopping and changing tonight. The lines stayed together for the whole game by enlarge. What he did do was two things. Firstly he was using Lacho to replace a forward in turn on every line to allow each player to get a longer rest. So towards the end of the first McGratton sat with Lacho in his place. Next shift for that line Lawerence sat with the other two still together, followed by Farmer sitting. He then took a shift for each player on the next line with the other line back together. It's something he has done in the past when we had Boxill. Don't think it's the correct thing to do, but he isn't just pick and mixing it. It may also be because he doesn't want to bench Lacho so has to find him ice time. Secondly, the only other times the lines were changed was after special teams. Because Moran, Lawerence and Farmer for example play together on the PP he then has to reset the lines by sending out guys who havn't played on the PP and are thus rested. So after most PPs you saw McGratton Ollie and Lacho. It just messed with the lines more as more penalties were called. Actually towards the end it was still.
Schultz, Moran, Nikiforuk Ollie, Brown, Carter Farmer, Lawerence, McGratton/Lacho
Go look at my older posts and you'll see I was one of the first to start losing my mind at his constant line changing. However I don't feel it's fair to be overly critical based on the last few games. One thing I will say. Look what happens when you do start seeing regular lines. 13 goals in 2 games. Maybe 99% of hockey coaches do know whats best after all.
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Post by iginla on Dec 11, 2016 22:39:00 GMT
It was like going back in time 5/6 years. Trying to win by simply scoring more than the opposition with little regard to defense. Panthers old habits of a stinker of a second period, followed by a tight finish. Entertaining, but plenty of mistakes. The reality is the D are going to make mistakes with the key guys logging so many minutes. Perring was woeful. In fact that bad I thought it was Schmichael(however you spell his name) for a while. Corey's line changing has frustrated me for years but it wasn't anything close to chopping and changing tonight. The lines stayed together for the whole game by enlarge. What he did do was two things. Firstly he was using Lacho to replace a forward in turn on every line to allow each player to get a longer rest. So towards the end of the first McGratton sat with Lacho in his place. Next shift for that line Lawerence sat with the other two still together, followed by Farmer sitting. He then took a shift for each player on the next line with the other line back together. It's something he has done in the past when we had Boxill. Don't think it's the correct thing to do, but he isn't just pick and mixing it. It may also be because he doesn't want to bench Lacho so has to find him ice time. Secondly, the only other times the lines were changed was after special teams. Because Moran, Lawerence and Farmer for example play together on the PP he then has to reset the lines by sending out guys who havn't played on the PP and are thus rested. So after most PPs you saw McGratton Ollie and Lacho. It just messed with the lines more as more penalties were called. Actually towards the end it was still. Schultz, Moran, Nikiforuk Ollie, Brown, Carter Farmer, Lawerence, McGratton/Lacho Go look at my older posts and you'll see I was one of the first to start losing my mind at his constant line changing. However I don't feel it's fair to be overly critical based on the last few games. One thing I will say. Look what happens when you do start seeing regular lines. 13 goals in 2 games. Maybe 99% of hockey coaches do know whats best after all. Bloody hell. I'm surprised we manage to keep six guys on the ice most of the time if that lot happens. It's no wonder we need so many guys doing university degrees !!!
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Dec 11, 2016 23:13:30 GMT
ref line changing - c'mon it's quite simple. Unknown to the crowd there is music playing on the team bench, every so often the music stops and those without a seat have to go out and play. Unfortunately the music played a little too long at one point which is why we only had three on the ice.
I enjoyed the game, we got caught out by Coventry going behind and then them switching to playing defensive. They stretched our D and used speed to get in behind us, but we should have done better with the 1st and 2nd goals. Still, we got the points. Don't see why Farmer was on first line on 3v3, he's not got the speed or control for that game.
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Post by Higgy on Dec 11, 2016 23:14:19 GMT
Despite some of the worst defending I've seen in a few years we managed to get the 2 points!
We were solid first period then everything went awol and let Blaze score some nice goals.
After one of the goals Brown tapped Mikka on his back to which Mikka removed his helmet and went balastic at him....Brown skated away quickly
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Post by titch on Dec 11, 2016 23:38:07 GMT
Entertaining game.
Was always going to be a tough game after traveling back from Cardiff and playing the way they did.
The biggest problem I have is that the Panthers ALWAYS seem to give away goals for free - simple goals for Coventry tonight and not much effort required by them to get 5 goals. Saying that, getting the 2 points when you're not performing is a good sign. We can easily catch the Steelers up if we beat them over Christmas but the league is well and truly Cardiffs. Personally, I'll be glad to see somebody else win the league than the usual Giants, Blaze or Steelers.
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Post by Shorty on Dec 12, 2016 7:08:19 GMT
Despite some of the worst defending I've seen in a few years we managed to get the 2 points! We were solid first period then everything went awol and let Blaze score some nice goals. After one of the goals Brown tapped Mikka on his back to which Mikka removed his helmet and went balastic at him....Brown skated away quickly That was when they scored on a two on one break away. The defender should have looked to stop the pass and leave Mikka to deal with the shooter. Not surprised he was cross. Basic stuff.
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Post by Bolts on Dec 12, 2016 8:40:05 GMT
Slight change of topic, but, I thought Ollie played really well last night, especially in the 3rd!
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Post by Warren on Dec 12, 2016 9:37:24 GMT
ref line changing - c'mon it's quite simple. Unknown to the crowd there is music playing on the team bench, every so often the music stops and those without a seat have to go out and play. Unfortunately the music played a little too long at one point which is why we only had three on the ice. I enjoyed the game, we got caught out by Coventry going behind and then them switching to playing defensive. They stretched our D and used speed to get in behind us, but we should have done better with the 1st and 2nd goals. Still, we got the points. Don't see why Farmer was on first line on 3v3, he's not got the speed or control for that game. As bad as the 3 men out looked, it was actually the correct thing to do in that situation... We had, as usual, taken a bad line change by the forwards. Because we have a gate in the neutral zone and one in the offensive (2nd period) if the 2 forwards had of gone on the ice (as they are all at that end of the bench) they would of been offside straight away. It was terrible play by our departing forwards. In fact, to the letter of the law even opening the gate counts as a man offside - though this rarely gets called as a. out linesmen are too busy talking to each other on how not to drop the puck or b. are too busy getting in the way.
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Post by gcmandrake on Dec 12, 2016 10:50:36 GMT
Slight change of topic, but, I thought Ollie played really well last night, especially in the 3rd! Ollie and Farmer are two of my favourite players on the team right now. They don't score many goals, but their energy and enthusiasm never seems to wane. They're more important than a lot of people credit them for.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Dec 12, 2016 11:53:05 GMT
Slight change of topic, but, I thought Ollie played really well last night, especially in the 3rd! Ollie and Farmer are two of my favourite players on the team right now. They don't score many goals, but their energy and enthusiasm never seems to wane. They're more important than a lot of people credit them for. Farmer agreed but Betteridge is one I don't understand the hype for. He doesn't do a great deal in his own zone and contributes little on offence. He's keen for sure and likes to throw a hit but isn't progressing at a rate to stay at this level IMO... Especially when he was billed as taking up Myers role! None can be described as 'prolific goal scorers' but compare the 3 guys in their past 3 seasons: Farmer - 110 games with 22G + 42A = 64pts Myers - 112 games with 29G + 34A = 63pts Ollie - 73 games with 3G + 2A = 5pts Ollie is also 5 years younger but by the time Farmer was 20 he had 42pts in the EIHL (80 games with 17G + 25A). Myers was a bit slower at 20 than Farmer - 79 games with 5G + 16A = 21pts. However this included a season with Blaisdell who didn't particular liking icing his Brits much (until the playoffs when he had 10pts in 10 games).
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Post by wgray on Dec 12, 2016 12:11:17 GMT
Slight change of topic, but, I thought Ollie played really well last night, especially in the 3rd! I agree, he was the same on Saturday night. He was creating opportunities and as always he was battling. That line of Him, Brown and Carter should stay together as they have been playing well in the last few weeks
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 12, 2016 12:24:36 GMT
That was an odd game, to say the least... and definitely coming back down to earth with a bump after the high of stuffing Cardiff 8-0! Both good news and bad news. Defensively we were awful. Most of the Blaze opportunities seemed to come from a total lack of defensive coverage by the outskaters (forwards and D-men). I wouldn't blame Miika one bit if he had a few pungent words for the team afterwards, because they left him hanging out to dry. Offensively, however... much improved. That's 13 goals (plus 2 penalty shots) scored in 2 games... first against the team at the top of the league, and then against a team with one of the best netminders in the league. Seeing as scoring has been a real problem of late, that is a real step forward. Nothing to get complacent about, but it's decidedly better than recent weeks. Now we just ('just'! ) have to keep that going whilst at the same time shoring up the defensive work. Granted, we're missing what are IMO our two best D-men (Waugh & Dimmen) but even so...
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Post by Ghost on Dec 12, 2016 13:14:28 GMT
Ollie and Farmer are two of my favourite players on the team right now. They don't score many goals, but their energy and enthusiasm never seems to wane. They're more important than a lot of people credit them for. Farmer agreed but Betteridge is one I don't understand the hype for. He doesn't do a great deal in his own zone and contributes little on offence. He's keen for sure and likes to throw a hit but isn't progressing at a rate to stay at this level IMO... Especially when he was billed as taking up Myers role! None can be described as 'prolific goal scorers' but compare the 3 guys in their past 3 seasons: Farmer - 110 games with 22G + 42A = 64pts Myers - 112 games with 29G + 34A = 63pts Ollie - 73 games with 3G + 2A = 5pts Ollie is also 5 years younger but by the time Farmer was 20 he had 42pts in the EIHL (80 games with 17G + 25A). Myers was a bit slower at 20 than Farmer - 79 games with 5G + 16A = 21pts. However this included a season with Blaisdell who didn't particular liking icing his Brits much (until the playoffs when he had 10pts in 10 games). I agree, doesn't look good enough. My main problem with him is that he appears to have little or no hockey sense.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Dec 12, 2016 16:18:16 GMT
Slight change of topic, but, I thought Ollie played really well last night, especially in the 3rd! He's certainly improving. Ironic that Ben Davies scored 1+1, given that general opinion said he wasn't good enough for us.
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