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Post by ggggranville on Nov 12, 2016 22:27:00 GMT
Well I don't know whether to contact the Supporters Trust or the Samaritans! FTM must be printing off another ream of applications🙄
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Post by thebestpanthers on Nov 12, 2016 22:28:35 GMT
What a shocking shower of poo poo we have for a squad this year, lots of unworthy players this season, doesn't Corey know how to use his enforcers and d-men Need to save all the players for the great European Adventure
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Post by dill1015 on Nov 12, 2016 22:31:33 GMT
We didnt lose 8-0 at home... thats the only straw ive managed to clutch.
Im usually pretty positive and tend to try and be opptomistic where i can be. I said i wasnt comvinced we were balanced at the start of the season but i wasnt looking for the nearest bridge to jump off unlike some posters. I didnt have us favoraties, but though we had a good defense and keeper and if we were well drilled we could compete and have a run at the title.
But ive lost any hope i once had. The locker room is clearly gone. Where are the leaders? Who is trying to put the team on their back and get us going? Wheres the dam pride? Not even for the team but self pride of the players? Id be embarassed if i was a Panthers player right now. Red in the face embarassed.
The last 3 weeks have been a disgrace and a shambles. It hasnt been this bad for nearly 15 years. We are carrying deadwood. At this point i dont care if we have replacement lined up get rid of players who arent good enough. A point has to be made.
Top of my list is:
1- MacMillan, totally ineffective and offers nothing must go tomorrow.
2- Spang, based on his Cv he should be pushing for top d man in the league. So underwehlming, get rid and bring in someone who can lead and gives a dam.
3- Brown, hasnt had the impact i wanted. I thought he was going to be a power forward and a leader. Not affecting the game enough.
Everyone else should be put on 2 weeks notice and know they are playing for thier place.
Schultz - If hes not fit he needs replacing. I highly rate Stephen i think hes top 5 forwards in the league on his day. But if hes not playing whats the point.
Corey has his work cut out big time now. Time to earn your money or step aside.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Nov 12, 2016 22:36:12 GMT
I do not know what people are complaining about - it is not as though they got a shut-out - must have really worried them that we made the late surge - another 8 periods and we could have drawn level - definitely something to build on - just wait till they come to our barn - we will show them - we will set the great inflatable bear on them, that will teach them
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Post by shmyrohdear on Nov 12, 2016 22:41:51 GMT
3 out. Nothing less, we need to find an identity. Bring in three speedy players up top and an experienced two way dman.
This squad is a joke, if you're a Steelers fan looking through here, then laugh, point, go blue in the face because of it, we deserve to be laughed at and the team deserve to hear it themselves from us.
When I think about panthers hockey i think if grit, speed, character and heart. Win or lose so long as they bust their guts for us then I'm content. We aren't doing any of that so far this season.
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 12, 2016 22:42:11 GMT
So i'm just back in from the game(I know, i'm not a propper fan. I left with 5 mins to go and at 6 0) and i'm going to share my thoughts before I read anyone elses.
Firstly a non hockey rant, as the hockey was just plain funny. If you don't want to be flashed by a car behind you on the motorway then don't drive in an overtaking lane with nothing ahead of you for miles. The 4th lane is an absoloute waste of space(actually the empty 1st one). Only you and one other car in the road as far as the eye can see and tou have to go in the 4th lane to overtake them. GRRRRRRR.
Anyway, on to the hockey. Absoloutly misserable performance. However, and I think I may be lining myself up for a few pelters here. I don't think the players played that badly. As in I think they executed the plan as asked. I'm talking defence here as we all know about the problems the other end.
No i'm no supreme hockey tactition, but something was clear to me tonight. We played what I can only describe as zonal defence. The only was to explain it is to say it's like applying the PK system whilst 5 on 5. Essentially the 5 players in a box like formation(+1). As most of you know this means your players are fairly static. Sheffield worked this out pretty quickly. The puck was where Panthers wanted it, on the outside but then bang. A turn of speed and they were out in front and slotting it in. Our players had no chance of stopping them because they were stood still(some our quickest players too). It litterally looked like they were skating around cones. Not because our players were slow, because they had no chance. Obviously this was a coaching system, set by the coach. You could see the players frustration. McGratton must have flapped his hands in dismay at least 3 times as if to say "come on, this clearly is working". What would anybody do if they saw that it wasn't working? What would you do? I tell you what you wouldn't do....absoloutly FLIP ALL. Which is exactly what Corey did! The team look clueless and this sits with the coach. I still think there is plenty of talent in this team(It absoloutly needs the changes discussed at length) it's just being coached out of them. My biggest frustration with the players was the lack of grit. Barely a git thrown all night. We knew there was a lack of goals in this team, but we also expected a gritty team capable of grinding some results out. Nowhere to be seen. Maybe they've just lost all faith.
I've tried my hardest to find a few positives from tonight. A very slim one is Brown at Centre. Must have won at least 80% of faceoffs over the last 2 games. Oh and the 2nd good thing. It looks like we' e lost Carter to injury now too(I'm joking before anyone kicks off).
Clearly after a result like that the players are far feom blameless, yes we have mounting injury issues however Corey should be under serious pressure. Any coach in any sport, at a club of our stature compared to those around it would be lucky to still have a job come Monday. He isn't somebody new who deserves time to get it right. He's had years and he still hasn't managed it. Hey Ho. He's got his contract for next year.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Nov 12, 2016 22:43:48 GMT
We didnt lose 8-0 at home... thats the only straw ive managed to clutch. Im usually pretty positive and tend to try and be opptomistic where i can be. I said i wasnt comvinced we were balanced at the start of the season but i wasnt looking for the nearest bridge to jump off unlike some posters. I didnt have us favoraties, but though we had a good defense and keeper and if we were well drilled we could compete and have a run at the title. But ive lost any hope i once had. The locker room is clearly gone. Where are the leaders? Who is trying to put the team on their back and get us going? Wheres the dam pride? Not even for the team but self pride of the players? Id be embarassed if i was a Panthers player right now. Red in the face embarassed. The last 3 weeks have been a disgrace and a shambles. It hasnt been this bad for nearly 15 years. We are carrying deadwood. At this point i dont care if we have replacement lined up get rid of players who arent good enough. A point has to be made. Top of my list is: 1- MacMillan, totally ineffective and offers nothing must go tomorrow. 2- Spang, based on his Cv he should be pushing for top d man in the league. So underwehlming, get rid and bring in someone who can lead and gives a dam. 3- Brown, hasnt had the impact i wanted. I thought he was going to be a power forward and a leader. Not affecting the game enough. Everyone else should be put on 2 weeks notice and know they are playing for thier place. Schultz - If hes not fit he needs replacing. I highly rate Stephen i think hes top 5 forwards in the league on his day. But if hes not playing whats the point. Corey has his work cut out big time now. Time to earn your money or step aside. Brown is doing his job, one of few playing his role correctly and being effective. He was never going to be a powerforward he's a depth player, a grinder. All other points i agree with but imo you're very wrong about Brown.
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Post by John Casey on Nov 12, 2016 22:43:56 GMT
Forget about it being The Steelers, losing 8-1 in The Elite League is completely utterly UNACCEPTABLE. I really hope that any Panther fans that were there basically let them have it (Pacl is excluded)
(PS I wanted to use certain other words)
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Post by iginla on Nov 12, 2016 22:54:33 GMT
The only players I would keep are Pacl,Dimmen,Waugh,Brown,NIkiforuk,Mcgratten,Farmer and Clarkey.
The rest can go.....but first in line I want Neilson sacked,he's been here far too long and doesn't deserve any more time !
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Post by Yotes on Nov 12, 2016 22:56:53 GMT
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 12, 2016 22:57:09 GMT
This idiot here should be the first to go He is either stupid or incompetent. Take your pick.
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 12, 2016 22:59:04 GMT
So Miika got injured in warm up and was still back up. Are you telling me Green doesn't travel with the team incase this happens. Surely not.
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 12, 2016 22:59:39 GMT
This idiot here should be the first to go He is either stupid or incompetent. Take your pick. Both
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Post by Yotes on Nov 12, 2016 23:02:09 GMT
Sends Strachan out to laugh all the way through the post mortem interview, as Gary reels off the excuses. All 3 should be out the door.
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Post by panthersdave on Nov 12, 2016 23:04:07 GMT
So Miika got injured in warm up and was still back up. Are you telling me Green doesn't travel with the team incase this happens. Surely not. He was sitting behind us with his clipboard
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 12, 2016 23:04:25 GMT
This idiot here should be the first to go He is either stupid or incompetent. Take your pick. Both I had to use stupid or incompetent as the first twenty five words I tried to use to describe him were filtered by the banned word thing here.
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Post by ditsy on Nov 12, 2016 23:06:21 GMT
This idiot here should be the first to go He is either stupid or incompetent. Take your pick. Both
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 12, 2016 23:06:42 GMT
Sends Strachan out to laugh all the way through the post mortem interview, as Gary reels off the excuses. All 3 should be out the door. Moran is a music hall gas bag but the blame has to be laid at Blacks door as he employs these cretins.
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Post by ditsy on Nov 12, 2016 23:06:59 GMT
Meant to type stupidly incompetent
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 12, 2016 23:07:45 GMT
I had to use stupid or incompetent as the first twenty five words I tried to use to describe him were filtered by the banned word thing here. I was desperate to add those same words to both. I fail to see how the most blinded fans can stick by him now. 2 years too long.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Nov 12, 2016 23:10:24 GMT
Blame injuries on a bunch of injury prone players. Poor old Panthers.
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Post by iginla on Nov 12, 2016 23:14:17 GMT
So coward Neilson hides and GM thinks it wasn't fair to speak to him. Utter crap,get him in front of that bloody microphone !
Don't blame the fact we played last night.....you arranged the schedule you stupid idiots ! And don't blame a short bench,we were only one import plus Farmer missing.
God this club makes my blood boil with its utter crap and incompetence !!!!!
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Post by dill1015 on Nov 12, 2016 23:16:37 GMT
We didnt lose 8-0 at home... thats the only straw ive managed to clutch. Im usually pretty positive and tend to try and be opptomistic where i can be. I said i wasnt comvinced we were balanced at the start of the season but i wasnt looking for the nearest bridge to jump off unlike some posters. I didnt have us favoraties, but though we had a good defense and keeper and if we were well drilled we could compete and have a run at the title. But ive lost any hope i once had. The locker room is clearly gone. Where are the leaders? Who is trying to put the team on their back and get us going? Wheres the dam pride? Not even for the team but self pride of the players? Id be embarassed if i was a Panthers player right now. Red in the face embarassed. The last 3 weeks have been a disgrace and a shambles. It hasnt been this bad for nearly 15 years. We are carrying deadwood. At this point i dont care if we have replacement lined up get rid of players who arent good enough. A point has to be made. Top of my list is: 1- MacMillan, totally ineffective and offers nothing must go tomorrow. 2- Spang, based on his Cv he should be pushing for top d man in the league. So underwehlming, get rid and bring in someone who can lead and gives a dam. 3- Brown, hasnt had the impact i wanted. I thought he was going to be a power forward and a leader. Not affecting the game enough. Everyone else should be put on 2 weeks notice and know they are playing for thier place. Schultz - If hes not fit he needs replacing. I highly rate Stephen i think hes top 5 forwards in the league on his day. But if hes not playing whats the point. Corey has his work cut out big time now. Time to earn your money or step aside. Brown is doing his job, one of few playing his role correctly and being effective. He was never going to be a powerforward he's a depth player, a grinder. All other points i agree with but imo you're very wrong about Brown. Maybe my expectations were wrong then. In that case gas Macmillan and put brown in his role. And bring in a proper power forward. I also didnt put it on list because i didnt want it to get silly long. But gas Moran and bring in a playmaker qho is good in clutch situations. (God what i wouldnt give for Jordan Fox when we firat got him again).
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 12, 2016 23:17:41 GMT
So coward Neilson hides and GM thinks it wasn't fair to speak to him. Utter crap,get him in front of that bloody microphone ! Don't blame the fact we played last night.....you arranged the schedule you stupid idiots ! And don't blame a short bench,we were only one import plus Farmer missing. God this club makes my blood boil with its utter crap and incompetence !!!!! 2 games in 2 nights for a hockey team. The players obviously arn't used to it. Ridiculous. And the fact Corey didn't do the interview....I don't even know what to say. The only excuse for him not to do it is that he's already been sacked. Fat chance.
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Post by wgray on Nov 12, 2016 23:19:38 GMT
Listening to the interview with Strachan, he states all the players were trying and giving their all, no matter what the scoreline is you keep working and tracking, after the third went in the players may as well have gone home because from that point on the players didn't even look bothered, no determination, no tenacity, I'm singling out Lacho here but everyone is guilty, the sixth he just let O'Connor walk past him, no urgecy or panic or effort to even stop him from getting in on goal. I know the club has to put something out but please don't give us BS
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