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Post by titch on Nov 11, 2016 16:00:13 GMT
How many players went to Mallorca? From social media, one in Mallorca and another in Venice - could have been more, doubt they went alone but no other evidence of anyone else. Neither particularly great see right now but the Mallorcan beach snaps lounging with a beer when you're personal and team performances have been woeful, just takes the mickey out the fans IMO. It's just another reason why we'll never win the Elite League again. Sheffield players have it drilled into them when they join the organisation that the league IS the most important competition. It seems like to me that the Panthers organisation don't give a damn about the league. If I wasn't performing in my workplace, I'd get a kick up the arse and told that I would be replaced if I didn't put more effort into the job. Panthers players get holidays for bad performances....... As for the roster changes, nobody knows what goes off behind closed doors. It's easy to be a 'coach' from the stands and pick out players based on performances but it's not black & white like that. Ideally, we need to change our tactics more than the players.
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Post by PantherB on Nov 11, 2016 16:08:40 GMT
Schultz and MacMillan were in Majorca, Carter in Venice and McGrattan in Scotland. Those are who publicised their whereabouts anyway. And before people call the guys unprofessional etc.. It's not like they ditched practice and swanned off to Europe, they will have been granted permission so if you blame anyone, blame GM.
Just a FYI regarding Carter and the term 'recently'.. He had 3pts in 2 games last weekend. Of course, nothing outstanding but he was undoubtedly one of our better guys last weekend and he deserves credit for that.
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Post by iginla on Nov 11, 2016 16:36:30 GMT
Schultz and MacMillan were in Majorca, Carter in Venice and McGrattan in Scotland. Those are who publicised their whereabouts anyway. And before people call the guys unprofessional etc.. It's not like they ditched practice and swanned off to Europe, they will have been granted permission so if you blame anyone, blame GM. Just a FYI regarding Carter and the term 'recently'.. He had 3pts in 2 games last weekend. Of course, nothing outstanding but he was undoubtedly one of our better guys last weekend and he deserves credit for that. So basically,Corey whinging and whining about practices being disrupted etc and using it as an excuse.......was the load of crap we all knew it was ! Typical Panthers,we will be sponsored by Thomas Cook next !!!!!
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Post by DMS on Nov 11, 2016 16:49:32 GMT
Just a FYI regarding Carter and the term 'recently'.. He had 3pts in 2 games last weekend. Of course, nothing outstanding but he was undoubtedly one of our better guys last weekend and he deserves credit for that. i don't think he really deserves much credit, certainly watching on sunday he didnt do much of note other than one pass for the goal. a player that was going to be lauded as one of our main creative influences and a stand out player so far has failed miserably in my opinion. with Schultz and Lawrence out he has had a brilliant opportunity to really take games by the scruff of the neck and make things happen which with his incoming reputation he was more than capable of doing.
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Post by PantherB on Nov 11, 2016 17:05:24 GMT
Just a FYI regarding Carter and the term 'recently'.. He had 3pts in 2 games last weekend. Of course, nothing outstanding but he was undoubtedly one of our better guys last weekend and he deserves credit for that. i don't think he really deserves much credit, certainly watching on sunday he didnt do much of note other than one pass for the goal. a player that was going to be lauded as one of our main creative influences and a stand out player so far has failed miserably in my opinion. with Schultz and Lawrence out he has had a brilliant opportunity to really take games by the scruff of the neck and make things happen which with his incoming reputation he was more than capable of doing. Players can only be disappointments if expectations are high, and admittedly, i think everyone had big expectations from Carter but some people seem to have had a too high an expectation from him. He has the quality but he doesn't seem to have chemistry with anyone he's played with yet, he can score and he can pass but you need another player or two to support him in achieving that and there just isn't the right support at the moment. I do feel Schultz and/or Lawrence would bring out a much improved side to Carter, both are at the top of the list in terms of quality and therefore both should be able to go about their business no hassel but whilst it inspires performances from those around. It's the constant line changing and 'tinkering' that kills our team as well as the injuries. I know you have to mix lines up if there are injuries but we need some solid lines, whivh won't change unless absolutely necessary, half of the guys won't know who they're playing alongside for Tomorrow's game i bet!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 11, 2016 17:18:13 GMT
Schultz and MacMillan were in Majorca, Carter in Venice and McGrattan in Scotland. Those are who publicised their whereabouts anyway. And before people call the guys unprofessional etc.. It's not like they ditched practice and swanned off to Europe, they will have been granted permission so if you blame anyone, blame GM. Just a FYI regarding Carter and the term 'recently'.. He had 3pts in 2 games last weekend. Of course, nothing outstanding but he was undoubtedly one of our better guys last weekend and he deserves credit for that. So basically,Corey whinging and whining about practices being disrupted etc and using it as an excuse.......was the load of crap we all knew it was ! Typical Panthers,we will be sponsored by Thomas Cook next !!!!!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 11, 2016 17:19:09 GMT
i don't think he really deserves much credit, certainly watching on sunday he didnt do much of note other than one pass for the goal. a player that was going to be lauded as one of our main creative influences and a stand out player so far has failed miserably in my opinion. with Schultz and Lawrence out he has had a brilliant opportunity to really take games by the scruff of the neck and make things happen which with his incoming reputation he was more than capable of doing. Players can only be disappointments if expectations are high, and admittedly, i think everyone had big expectations from Carter but some people seem to have had a too high an expectation from him. He has the quality but he doesn't seem to have chemistry with anyone he's played with yet, he can score and he can pass but you need another player or two to support him in achieving that and there just isn't the right support at the moment. I do feel Schultz and/or Lawrence would bring out a much improved side to Carter, both are at the top of the list in terms of quality and therefore both should be able to go about their business no hassel but whilst it inspires performances from those around. It's the constant line changing and 'tinkering' that kills our team as well as the injuries. I know you have to mix lines up if there are injuries but we need some solid lines, whivh won't change unless absolutely necessary, half of the guys won't know who they're playing alongside for Tomorrow's game i bet! And where do high expectations come from? Motor mouth at HQ usually
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Post by iginla on Nov 11, 2016 17:21:57 GMT
i don't think he really deserves much credit, certainly watching on sunday he didnt do much of note other than one pass for the goal. a player that was going to be lauded as one of our main creative influences and a stand out player so far has failed miserably in my opinion. with Schultz and Lawrence out he has had a brilliant opportunity to really take games by the scruff of the neck and make things happen which with his incoming reputation he was more than capable of doing. Players can only be disappointments if expectations are high, and admittedly, i think everyone had big expectations from Carter but some people seem to have had a too high an expectation from him. He has the quality but he doesn't seem to have chemistry with anyone he's played with yet, he can score and he can pass but you need another player or two to support him in achieving that and there just isn't the right support at the moment. I do feel Schultz and/or Lawrence would bring out a much improved side to Carter, both are at the top of the list in terms of quality and therefore both should be able to go about their business no hassel but whilst it inspires performances from those around. It's the constant line changing and 'tinkering' that kills our team as well as the injuries. I know you have to mix lines up if there are injuries but we need some solid lines, whivh won't change unless absolutely necessary, half of the guys won't know who they're playing alongside for Tomorrow's game i bet! Hope your not including me in the Carter plaudits from the start. I told you that you were over rating him badly but you wouldn't listen !
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Nov 11, 2016 17:53:27 GMT
i don't think he really deserves much credit, certainly watching on sunday he didnt do much of note other than one pass for the goal. a player that was going to be lauded as one of our main creative influences and a stand out player so far has failed miserably in my opinion. with Schultz and Lawrence out he has had a brilliant opportunity to really take games by the scruff of the neck and make things happen which with his incoming reputation he was more than capable of doing. Players can only be disappointments if expectations are high, and admittedly, i think everyone had big expectations from Carter but some people seem to have had a too high an expectation from him. He has the quality but he doesn't seem to have chemistry with anyone he's played with yet, he can score and he can pass but you need another player or two to support him in achieving that and there just isn't the right support at the moment. I do feel Schultz and/or Lawrence would bring out a much improved side to Carter, both are at the top of the list in terms of quality and therefore both should be able to go about their business no hassel but whilst it inspires performances from those around. It's the constant line changing and 'tinkering' that kills our team as well as the injuries. I know you have to mix lines up if there are injuries but we need some solid lines, whivh won't change unless absolutely necessary, half of the guys won't know who they're playing alongside for Tomorrow's game i bet! The fact with Carter is he's just lazy! Expectations weren't for him to become the next David Ling, they were for a reliable goal scorer who with his size could probably chip in effectively at both ends of the ice. What we got was a relaxed attitude, barely helping out defensively or offensively and a work ethic that makes Lacho look like Bruce Richardson. Scoring the amount he did in France, compared with most (if not all) others in this roster that haven't scored as freely in recent seasons, made him a pretty natural 'one to watch' for fans who wanted goals. Team that with having his two best mates with him, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a quite a bit more. It was in fact Bruce who would say 'hard work beats talent'... Carter is displaying very limited amounts of each.
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Post by ted logan on Nov 11, 2016 18:04:55 GMT
I'd be amazed if anyone could even get close to defending either Matt Carter or a mid-season jolly in the middle of the slump we're currently in.
This season could well rival the 'Berube' season in terms of abject failure and the club (NB/GM) taking the wee wee out of the fans (walking wallets).
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Post by sevcik on Nov 11, 2016 18:40:10 GMT
I like many others werent overly impressed when Carter was announced and nothing ive seen since has changed my mind. But then the main reason Carter (and Brown) are here isnt for their playing ability or stats, its to help keep Lawrence on the straight and narrow... or as Neilson puts it to help Lawrence organize his life. Would any other club in this league even contemplate doing that especially the bigger ones? Neilson wants to prove he can win things with a team based around Lawrence and we are paying for it. Its also why in all probability Carter will be here all season.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Nov 11, 2016 18:44:51 GMT
Players can only be disappointments if expectations are high, and admittedly, i think everyone had big expectations from Carter but some people seem to have had a too high an expectation from him. He has the quality but he doesn't seem to have chemistry with anyone he's played with yet, he can score and he can pass but you need another player or two to support him in achieving that and there just isn't the right support at the moment. I do feel Schultz and/or Lawrence would bring out a much improved side to Carter, both are at the top of the list in terms of quality and therefore both should be able to go about their business no hassel but whilst it inspires performances from those around. It's the constant line changing and 'tinkering' that kills our team as well as the injuries. I know you have to mix lines up if there are injuries but we need some solid lines, whivh won't change unless absolutely necessary, half of the guys won't know who they're playing alongside for Tomorrow's game i bet! The fact with Carter is he's just lazy! Expectations weren't for him to become the next David Ling, they were for a reliable goal scorer who with his size could probably chip in effectively at both ends of the ice. What we got was a relaxed attitude, barely helping out defensively or offensively and a work ethic that makes Lacho look like Bruce Richardson. Scoring the amount he did in France, compared with most (if not all) others in this roster that haven't scored as freely in recent seasons, made him a pretty natural 'one to watch' for fans who wanted goals. Team that with having his two best mates with him, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a quite a bit more. It was in fact Bruce who would say 'hard work beats talent'... Carter is displaying very limited amounts of each. "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard"
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Nov 11, 2016 19:10:55 GMT
I like many others werent overly impressed when Carter was announced and nothing ive seen since has changed my mind. But then the main reason Carter (and Brown) are here isnt for their playing ability or stats, its to help keep Lawrence on the straight and narrow... or as Neilson puts it to help Lawrence organize his life. Would any other club in this league even contemplate doing that especially the bigger ones? Neilson wants to prove he can win things with a team based around Lawrence and we are paying for it. Its also why in all probability Carter will be here all season. When I see Lawrence coming away from Hooters car park, walking up to the arena (next to a busy row of traffic) puffing away on a fag, I guess I'm going to call this a lost cause. Or are cigarettes a remedy for concussion?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 11, 2016 19:16:06 GMT
I like many others werent overly impressed when Carter was announced and nothing ive seen since has changed my mind. But then the main reason Carter (and Brown) are here isnt for their playing ability or stats, its to help keep Lawrence on the straight and narrow... or as Neilson puts it to help Lawrence organize his life. Would any other club in this league even contemplate doing that especially the bigger ones? Neilson wants to prove he can win things with a team based around Lawrence and we are paying for it. Its also why in all probability Carter will be here all season. An organisation run on complete hot air, guff and BS from top to bottom and a coach with no b@lls and even less ambition as far as the league is concerned.
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Post by PantherB on Nov 12, 2016 0:27:38 GMT
To add to Carter's laziness comments, they are fair but he weighs 207lbs.. one of the heaviest on the team after McGrattan and Kudroc. His 'laziness' is down to his size, he doesn't have the legs to move his weight around at high speeds, or in agile ways.
He does need to push himself harder though, no denying that
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Nov 12, 2016 0:42:43 GMT
To add to Carter's laziness comments, they are fair but he weighs 207lbs.. one of the heaviest on the team after McGrattan and Kudroc. His 'laziness' is down to his size, he doesn't have the legs to move his weight around at high speeds, or in agile ways. He does need to push himself harder though, no denying that Is that honestly what you believe? Farmer weighs the same... he seems to be OK?
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Post by iginla on Nov 12, 2016 0:54:23 GMT
To add to Carter's laziness comments, they are fair but he weighs 207lbs.. one of the heaviest on the team after McGrattan and Kudroc. His 'laziness' is down to his size, he doesn't have the legs to move his weight around at high speeds, or in agile ways. He does need to push himself harder though, no denying that Blimey.....it must have taken you hours to think of that daft excuse. The extra 8lbs in weight that Cam Janssen carried must have made some difference then......because he wasn't slow or lazy !
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Post by nate24 on Nov 12, 2016 0:56:07 GMT
Lacho occasionally remembered how to hockey at times tonight!! Long may it continue.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 12, 2016 1:32:07 GMT
I thought Carter showed flashes of what he can do tonight actually
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Post by DMS on Nov 12, 2016 10:01:31 GMT
To add to Carter's laziness comments, they are fair but he weighs 207lbs.. one of the heaviest on the team after McGrattan and Kudroc. His 'laziness' is down to his size, he doesn't have the legs to move his weight around at high speeds, or in agile ways. He does need to push himself harder though, no denying that HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a pathetic reason!!! It doesn't matter how much you weigh, laziness is an attitude nothing to do with weight!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 10:44:00 GMT
To add to Carter's laziness comments, they are fair but he weighs 207lbs.. one of the heaviest on the team after McGrattan and Kudroc. His 'laziness' is down to his size, he doesn't have the legs to move his weight around at high speeds, or in agile ways. He does need to push himself harder though, no denying that HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a pathetic reason!!! It doesn't matter how much you weigh, laziness is an attitude nothing to do with weight! Wow is he Gary Moran... I've read some garbage on here but that !
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Post by ted logan on Nov 12, 2016 11:29:22 GMT
To add to Carter's laziness comments, they are fair but he weighs 207lbs.. one of the heaviest on the team after McGrattan and Kudroc. His 'laziness' is down to his size, he doesn't have the legs to move his weight around at high speeds, or in agile ways. He does need to push himself harder though, no denying that
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Post by dgardner on Nov 12, 2016 12:45:46 GMT
Not entirely sure what youre watching. I agree to an extent with pacl as it is good to rotate goalies but wiikman is still pure class and he cant do much about deflections and tip ins, defence need to tighten up and clear players out the crease to avoid that type of goal, generally if he sees it then he stops it. Nikiforuk i think is a fantastic find but he needs someone to match his vision and skill, him and schultz complemented eachother perfectly. I think Carter is starting to find his feet and although not playing great he has put up a fair amount of points recently. Lacho is a tough one because he has alot of potential, i think hes a player that when the team plays well, he plays well especially in big games, just wish he did it every game. Letting him go will certainly not help as were short of brits anyway. Macmillan however i do agree with, im a big fan of his but hes is too similar to brown but with less output and i wouldnt be dissapointed if he made way for a top end goalscorer. Schultz i think is worth the time waiting if when back he remains fit as he is pure class and is that spark we are missing at the moment. Carter putting up a "fair amount" of points recently? Really? 7 from 12 games, hes only scored 3 goals. Not sure that is a "fair amount" I dont think Wiikman is pure class, compare him to Killer, i know who i would have every day in my team. Hes liable around his posts - saw it last season and seen it again this one Lacho has had this potential for years. 1 point in his last 5 games and no goals all season. So you'd rather keep an under performing player, rather than giving another younger brit a chance? Not sure what you're watching Yes his form at the start of the season was poor but recently is starting to make things happen, set up nikiforuk for fantastic goal against blaze last night, yes there is probably better players out there but letting him go now is pointless. Killer was brilliant, everyone knows that but he also struggled with injuries. Lets not forget who backstopped us to 2 cups last year, wiikman will always be our number 1 whilst hes here because hes a big game player which is what you want in any team when winning trophys. Its alright saying bring in a younger brit but realistically thats not going to happen now, the league is strong and they certainly wouldnt log anywhere near the amount of minutes lacho logs, is points output is poor but he works hard and wins the puck back and can now play as an average centre? We arent in a position to replace that many attributes with a 'young brit' who would be out of there depth especially with injuries. What im watching is a team that is lacking in confidence but still has potential, forgive me for trying to be positive.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 13:12:09 GMT
To add to Carter's laziness comments, they are fair but he weighs 207lbs.. one of the heaviest on the team after McGrattan and Kudroc. His 'laziness' is down to his size, he doesn't have the legs to move his weight around at high speeds, or in agile ways. He does need to push himself harder though, no denying that Do you honestly believe what you've written there? If so, wow!
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Post by texpef on Nov 12, 2016 13:14:34 GMT
Carter putting up a "fair amount" of points recently? Really? 7 from 12 games, hes only scored 3 goals. Not sure that is a "fair amount" I dont think Wiikman is pure class, compare him to Killer, i know who i would have every day in my team. Hes liable around his posts - saw it last season and seen it again this one Lacho has had this potential for years. 1 point in his last 5 games and no goals all season. So you'd rather keep an under performing player, rather than giving another younger brit a chance? Not sure what you're watching Yes his form at the start of the season was poor but recently is starting to make things happen, set up nikiforuk for fantastic goal against blaze last night, yes there is probably better players out there but letting him go now is pointless. Killer was brilliant, everyone knows that but he also struggled with injuries. Lets not forget who backstopped us to 2 cups last year, wiikman will always be our number 1 whilst hes here because hes a big game player which is what you want in any team when winning trophys. Its alright saying bring in a younger brit but realistically thats not going to happen now, the league is strong and they certainly wouldnt log anywhere near the amount of minutes lacho logs, is points output is poor but he works hard and wins the puck back and can now play as an average centre? We arent in a position to replace that many attributes with a 'young brit' who would be out of there depth especially with injuries. What im watching is a team that is lacking in confidence but still has potential, forgive me for trying to be positive. No one should knock you for trying to be positive in the face of potentially another abject failure of the panthers in the league title pursuit and I admire that approach and wish I could turn back the clock 20 years and feel that again but im afraid panthers over the many seasons of not getting close even with a so called big budget I am struggling to think this season is going to be any different considering how it has started out and that even before a puck was dropped most pundits thought that we lacked goals scoring punch.
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