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Post by malsbloke on Oct 28, 2016 12:48:02 GMT
The official website tells us that bags will be checked for " unauthorised contents " . Now , the arena is within its rights to prohibit certain items , but wouldn`t it be thoughtful for the banner to tell us plebs what is authorised and what is not ?. " Well its obvious !" i hear some of you say . Just my point - its not . Newbie turns up with a bag of chews and a bottle of pop for their kids and its - sorry , NO - VERBOTEN . Please , just make it obvious what is permitted and what is not . Posters or whatever , maybe even at the point of ticket purchase to avoid the surprise . Just a thought .
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Post by Yotes on Oct 28, 2016 13:39:19 GMT
Yes, it would be helpful to make it obvious. Although it is on the Arena's FAQ page (no food or drink, no professional looking cameras).
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Post by thebestpanthers on Oct 28, 2016 13:43:05 GMT
Basically if it can be bought anywhere in the "World Famous NIC Arena" then it will be confiscated on entry, and then repackaged to sell back at a later date - If the "World Famous NIC Arena" can make any money they will, irrespective if it disappoints or annoys the money paying public - after all that is all they are
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Post by Yotes on Oct 28, 2016 13:50:49 GMT
The arena are just protecting their concession sales, it's entirely sensible. You'd do exactly the same if it was your business.
Perhaps if certain fans didn't take the mick, firstly by bringing in as much as they can, and then compounding it by leaving their detritus for someone else - someone employed by the arena, of course - to clear up, it would mean we didn't all have to be inconvenienced at the turnstiles?
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Post by malsbloke on Oct 28, 2016 14:20:49 GMT
Totally agree about the concessions and the mick takers (Maybe the answer would be something like "No picnic baskets allowed" ?) I hadnt seen the FAQs but how many do? As someone who cleans up after customers for a living , i would be more bothered about the Arenas own detritus - chips , dogs , cheese sauce , beer etc that seems chucked with gusto on the deck - but a job is a job...... Is it an avoidable inconvenience ? Answers on a dropped chip box :-)
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Post by PantherB on Oct 28, 2016 14:30:11 GMT
I don't get why they don't just lower prices.. Lower prices, more sales, less need to bring a bottle of Coke to the game.
The Arena is just being exceptionally awkward and money-grabbing.
As for bags, no need to take more than what's neccessary (Medication, Jacket/Hoddie, shopping from town etc..) and obviously due to security reasons they're entitled to check bags and discard prohibited items, though if it's only listed as Food, Drink & Professional Recording Equipment, surely they have no right to take anything else away, within reason?
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Post by Yotes on Oct 28, 2016 14:31:37 GMT
Totally agree about the concessions and the mick takers (Maybe the answer would be something like "No picnic baskets allowed" ?) I hadnt seen the FAQs but how many do? As someone who cleans up after customers for a living , i would be more bothered about the Arenas own detritus - chips , dogs , cheese sauce , beer etc that seems chucked with gusto on the deck - but a job is a job...... Is it an avoidable inconvenience ? Answers on a dropped chip box :-) Yes I agree that you'd never see the FAQ unless you went looking for it, I don't know what's on the T&Cs on the tickets these days (ST holder), perhaps they mention it there. The inconvenience probably isn't avoidable in the long run and just something people will have to get used to in this day and age, I just wanted to gripe at the mess people leave Given the way things are with counter-terrorism etc I wouldn't be enormously surprised if we were to be patted down/scanned with the old hand held metal detectors at some point in the not too distant.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 28, 2016 14:46:56 GMT
The Arena is just being exceptionally awkward and money-grabbing. It's doing exactly what all other venues of similar (or larger size) will do.
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Post by iginla on Oct 28, 2016 15:10:19 GMT
Bag checking you can understand. But blimey,it's easy to sneak a bottle of coke or a few bags of sweets in.....just stick them in your pocket or up your jumper,it's not hard !
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Post by PantherB on Oct 28, 2016 15:10:37 GMT
The Arena is just being exceptionally awkward and money-grabbing. It's doing exactly what all other venues of similar (or larger size) will do. No one likes sheep
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Post by malsbloke on Oct 28, 2016 15:19:48 GMT
I cant disagree with you Yotes , particularly in respect for our security . I do feel that some will be put off by having to pay the inflated prices for nosebag - sorry refreshments - on the face of it for arena profits . On the security side of it , the arena could (if it chose) search/pat down/scan me then say " you have nothing threatening about your person (no laughing at the back please ! ) so you and your jelly tots (titter ye not) can go and enjoy the game . Not going to happen though unfortunately .....BTW deffo not a gripe when its a valid observation
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Post by Yotes on Oct 28, 2016 16:06:13 GMT
Bag checking you can understand. But blimey,it's easy to sneak a bottle of coke or a few bags of sweets in.....just stick them in your pocket or up your jumper,it's not hard ! Gary's agents are currently being given latex gloves, they're going to find those polo mints one way or the other Iggy. I cant disagree with you Yotes , particularly in respect for our security . I do feel that some will be put off by having to pay the inflated prices for nosebag - sorry refreshments - on the face of it for arena profits . On the security side of it , the arena could (if it chose) search/pat down/scan me then say " you have nothing threatening about your person (no laughing at the back please ! ) so you and your jelly tots (titter ye not) can go and enjoy the game . Not going to happen though unfortunately .....BTW deffo not a gripe when its a valid observation I agree that the fare on offer at the NIC is a) muck and b) overpriced muck, but the choice you have is partake in it, or don't. I don't really have a problem with that (and I choose the latter). Agree again that a bag of sweets or something isn't going to make a huge difference to their overheads, but I've seen people squirreling away as many cans as possible about their person before going through the gate, you can see why the arena are doing something about it. Similarly when I first went no one used to get their concession status checked, but now we have to, apparently because some people don't play with a straight bat. To get back to the initial point, it'd certainly help to have signs out on the square (and at the other side) with what you won't get in with, and bins to chuck it in so you can sup up and dispose of whatever. Part of the problem is people get to the front of the line and then have to go through the rigmarole of having that explained to them, getting rid of it etc. I don't even think they have bins at the head of the queue.
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Post by Panthers44 on Oct 28, 2016 16:31:06 GMT
I think part of the problem are the stewards that check bags. Some do it some don't. Some allow thing if there is a good reason others don't. Hows this for jobsworth, I have seen one trying to confiscate a baby bottle with juice in it as the person with it wasn't with the baby. Its not just food and cameras that aren't permitted. I have also been refused entry because I had a motorcycle helmet. The reason I was given was that I might use it a a weapon.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 28, 2016 16:51:37 GMT
The reason I was given was that I might use it a a weapon. Did you hit the guy with it? Agree that the rule needs to be clear, enforced across the board and subject to some common sense every now and then.
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Post by kezypanther on Oct 28, 2016 17:26:16 GMT
I understand some things like food and drink but if they didn't offer such rubbish at ridiculous prices people would buy from them.
I was once told I wasn't allowed to bring an umbrella in and when asked where we should put it they told us to pay for a locker downstairs.
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 28, 2016 17:29:04 GMT
Here's a thought. No problem with checking bags. Happens at most venues like this. Can we have seperate Queues please. 2 or 3 for people with bags and 3 or 4 for people without. Saves the potential of all channels being tied up checking bags at once. If you come with a bag you know it's going to take a bit longer(If I took one I'd have no problem doing it).
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Post by iginla on Oct 28, 2016 18:12:02 GMT
I think part of the problem are the stewards that check bags. Some do it some don't. Some allow thing if there is a good reason others don't. Hows this for jobsworth, I have seen one trying to confiscate a baby bottle with juice in it as the person with it wasn't with the baby. Its not just food and cameras that aren't permitted. I have also been refused entry because I had a motorcycle helmet. The reason I was given was that I might use it a a weapon. You should have told him you were wearing it to protect you from errant pucks leaving the ice !!!
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Oct 28, 2016 19:08:59 GMT
Do they provide free drinking water?
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Post by Shorty on Oct 28, 2016 19:20:13 GMT
In Munich last weekend they did not allow bags in at all. You had to pay a One Euro fee for your bag to be held, and that included a lot of handbags.
Everyone was frisked as well on the way in.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Oct 28, 2016 19:32:27 GMT
In Munich last weekend they did not allow bags in at all. You had to pay a One Euro fee for your bag to be held, and that included a lot of handbags. Everyone was frisked as well on the way in. Pesky Germans - I blame Brexit or the EU (not sure which)
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Post by yeti on Oct 28, 2016 22:33:56 GMT
Not quite as simple as some suggest. What about families with young kids and Sunday games played around tea time? Are they meant to be fed the crap food in the arena at extortionate prices? Remember this is a family sport or so we are told.
Also god forbid that friends bring cakes ect in on birthdays and share them round the block as has happened in the past.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 28, 2016 23:33:33 GMT
For very young children, that'd be where you'd hope there was some common sense, but again it should stop somewhere. As for cakes, is it like Test Match Special where you sit?
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Post by yeti on Oct 29, 2016 0:05:12 GMT
Yes it is Yotes. Most of us have been going since the old barn and birthday treats ect are passed round. It's Danyella's 11th birthday on Monday and we would have taken something this Saturday but not now. Half the fun of being a hockey fan has always been the friendships and fun amongst the fans both of your own team and others from all over. Part of this is celebrating birthdays with a few treats at the match. God help us that we may have fun.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 29, 2016 0:32:05 GMT
I doubt they want to stop you having fun, but to them it's a business and they need to protect their income streams, of which I'd guess the concession sales are a decent chunk (I realise typing that is pretty much the antithesis of fun ). How do you differentiate (at the turnstile) between someone like you bringing the odd bit in on a special occasion, and some jaffa taking himself a few period break cream cakes in? Again, can probably thank your fellow fans for the increased vigilance, rather than the arena themselves (IMO). Happy Birthday to your daughter (?) btw, hope she gets the 2 points, even if it's a cakeless game.
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Post by yeti on Oct 29, 2016 8:21:37 GMT
I understand what you are saying Yotes but to me it's just another sign of corporate inflexibility that is blighting our lives. Rules and more rules to maximise profits instead of supplying a good product. In the case of the arena good food at an affordable price that would make people want to buy and eat it. Folks wouldn't bother taking their own if this was the case. Also allowing your staff to use their judgement on whether someone is celebrating a birthday or not. Instead of making them enforce inflexible rules.
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