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Post by Bagheera on Oct 1, 2016 21:59:50 GMT
That was certainly one of the best games I've seen, nobody is going to relish playing Manchester if that's the way they play. Both teams were very similar as in great on attack, not so great defence. Panthers PP was certainly the difference. Other than Schultz, is Clarke injured as well (I'm pretty sure I didn't see him much late on) and I was pretty sure Betteridge didn't play much either. Say what you want about Neilson, at least he was entertaining and during the handshakes, he was very respectful and that is what you want. I liked Manchester's jerseys. I think it's also time that maybe we carried a couple of spare skaters like we had with Saari. I think Clarke was injured when Manchester got the major for boarding at the end of the 1st(not sure by any means as I left before the announcements of penalties). Don't know how much he played in the 2nd, but didn't ice at all in the 3rd. The reason you didn't see Ollie much I assume is because we lost Clarke and Schultz so Neilson shortened the bench to 3 lines. This meant Ollie sitting it out.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Oct 1, 2016 22:05:44 GMT
Well this should keep some of the restless natives happy! Dodgy D Dodgy Goalie We outshot the Storm Good job Storm were so in-disciplined Sexy Nielsen hockey is back with a bang I'm struggling to see what Brown & Carter bring to this team If Schultz is going to keep on getting hurt every time he is clattered, it's time to move him on. Harsh - yes. He's one of our better players, but he ain't much use if he's always injured. Lawrence/Farmer were immense Can we have #44 Johnson next year please If Stevie is done (& Sam has gone)can we poach Swindlehurst back? And breath! I can agree with you on Carter - we've seen very little from him so far and that line of him, Moran and MacMillan has been poor offensively. Brown IMO has been brilliant though. He's feisty, chips in effectively on the attack (despite bouncing round deifferent lines) and very strong defensively.
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Post by wgray on Oct 1, 2016 22:06:19 GMT
Cracking game tonight, hopefully it's this eventful every time we play them! As per people talking about Brown and Carter I'm not sure what people are expecting from Brown but he's doing his job perfectly, Carter looks low on confidence and he's on a line that isn't combining particularly well so he's not picking up points, I think people are being a bit harsh
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Post by iginla on Oct 1, 2016 22:11:17 GMT
Absolutely brilliant game and well done Panthers. Played VERY well. Storm were absolutely great and a real mix of cutthroats and pirates. Pacha has put together an improved Cardiff team for their ice and if they sort the penelties out they will turn over an aweful lot of teams this year. Two things, Schultz looks like a recurrence of the same injury and you could tell he was angry when he left the ice. Second thing is CN letting Swindlehurst go and keeping 'deputy head' Oakford is the biggest act of madness I have ever seen in all my years following the Panthers. As a Brit, Swindlehurst has more potential than any other Brit I have seen for many years and all over the ice too. He's damn good that Omar Pacha.....he's put two teams together !
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Post by kezypanther on Oct 1, 2016 22:11:18 GMT
I think the problem with the Moran, Carter and MacMillan line is the last two are very defensive. Carter almost lines up with the two D men and doesn't get far over the blue line. That's not to say I don't like Carter, what he does do, he does well. Moran is wasted on that line but the other two top lines play so well together so there is no way these should be split up.
Brown is a great player, think he will get better as the season goes on aswell.
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Post by iginla on Oct 1, 2016 22:13:47 GMT
Fight looked fairly even from where I am sat. Were you sitting in the Castle Endis
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Post by iginla on Oct 1, 2016 22:17:17 GMT
Well this should keep some of the restless natives happy! Dodgy D Dodgy Goalie We outshot the Storm Good job Storm were so in-disciplined Sexy Nielsen hockey is back with a bang I'm struggling to see what Brown & Carter bring to this team If Schultz is going to keep on getting hurt every time he is clattered, it's time to move him on. Harsh - yes. He's one of our better players, but he ain't much use if he's always injured. Lawrence/Farmer were immense Can we have #44 Johnson next year please If Stevie is done (& Sam has gone)can we poach Swindlehurst back? And breath! Spot on Picko. Except for Brown,he does his job.....but where the hell is Carter !
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Post by Jasper on Oct 1, 2016 23:22:43 GMT
OK then, for all of you out there who were pleased when we signed McGrattan and the same last year with Janssen: would someone like to explain how Manchester were able to play such a physical game, run so many of our guys through the boards and injure two of them?
I thought with an enforcer that the opposition were supposed to be looking over their shoulders in fear of retribution for anything like that.
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Post by pantherman66 on Oct 1, 2016 23:28:45 GMT
Beat me to it Jasper, I was just going to post the very same thoughts.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 2, 2016 0:22:17 GMT
Depends how the injuries occurred. I didn't see what happened to Schultz, only when he was on the bench in a bit of bother. Clarke the same, was he injured when he went into the boards (which I'd like to see again, didn't think that was boarding as I understand the call), or at some other time? He carried on after.
I thought Manchester played a good, tough game, didn't think there was a lot that was cheap personally. We gave them plenty back.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Oct 2, 2016 3:21:04 GMT
Well this should keep some of the restless natives happy! Dodgy D Dodgy Goalie We outshot the Storm Good job Storm were so in-disciplined Sexy Nielsen hockey is back with a bang I'm struggling to see what Brown & Carter bring to this team If Schultz is going to keep on getting hurt every time he is clattered, it's time to move him on. Harsh - yes. He's one of our better players, but he ain't much use if he's always injured. Lawrence/Farmer were immense Can we have #44 Johnson next year please If Stevie is done (& Sam has gone)can we poach Swindlehurst back? And breath! I can agree with you on Carter - we've seen very little from him so far and that line of him, Moran and MacMillan has been poor offensively. Brown IMO has been brilliant though. He's feisty, chips in effectively on the attack (despite bouncing round deifferent lines) and very strong defensively. Moran has been putting points up, Mac isn't a point and i think Carter is suffering by not being played with Nikiforuk, someone who can make those plays for him. That line looks like it's built for Defensive work, offense doesn't tell the whole story but it may hurt us down the line if Carter doesn't produce.
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Post by wannabe2 on Oct 2, 2016 6:31:21 GMT
Bit naughty not taking your lid off, love Neilson real character, andd fears no one.
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Post by Pies on Oct 2, 2016 6:54:49 GMT
I can't remember the last time i enjoyed a game quite as much as that. It had everything people love about hockey, our PP clicked and a cracking scrap.
Manchester were a gritty, dirty bunch of beggars but I love it. It makes for great viewing. They will be in the top 8 this year IMO.
Lawrence was incredIble and arguably his best game in a Panthers jersey. Whoever played on his line, he made look good and he looked like he'd score whenever he got on the ice.
Wiikman didn't have his best night however he's bailed us out and won that many games for us in the last year that we can forgive that. I'd personally have Pacl in tonight.
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Post by pantherdman on Oct 2, 2016 7:45:37 GMT
Bit naughty not taking your lid off, love Neilson real character, andd fears no one. Mcgrattan probably didn't know the rules over here and didn't want to get kicked out at a vital time. You have to keep them on in NHL. It doesn't mention anything in iihf or any of the elite league beer mat add ons as far as I can see
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Post by Higgy on Oct 2, 2016 8:25:30 GMT
Depends how the injuries occurred. I didn't see what happened to Schultz, only when he was on the bench in a bit of bother. Clarke the same, was he injured when he went into the boards (which I'd like to see again, didn't think that was boarding as I understand the call), or at some other time? He carried on after. I thought Manchester played a good, tough game, didn't think there was a lot that was cheap personally. We gave them plenty back. The injury that did for Schulz was as a result of hard hit behind Mikka's goal,he played the puck and got clattered,he instantly skated to the to bench gingerly shaking his head. I thought their number 26 (I think) made quite a few cheap plays,one example just skating past Nikiforouk and glove punching him in the face.
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Post by dexter on Oct 2, 2016 8:48:46 GMT
OK then, for all of you out there who were pleased when we signed McGrattan and the same last year with Janssen: would someone like to explain how Manchester were able to play such a physical game, run so many of our guys through the boards and injure two of them? I thought with an enforcer that the opposition were supposed to be looking over their shoulders in fear of retribution for anything like that. Agreed. Great fighter but wasn't impressed with his enforcing role. Janssen would have had a word with a few of the Storm players last night and there would have been some big checks coming their way if they didn't listen.
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Post by wgray on Oct 2, 2016 8:49:25 GMT
Depends how the injuries occurred. I didn't see what happened to Schultz, only when he was on the bench in a bit of bother. Clarke the same, was he injured when he went into the boards (which I'd like to see again, didn't think that was boarding as I understand the call), or at some other time? He carried on after. I thought Manchester played a good, tough game, didn't think there was a lot that was cheap personally. We gave them plenty back. The injury that did for Schulz was as a result of hard hit behind Mikka's goal,he played the puck and got clattered,he instantly skated to the to bench gingerly shaking his head. I thought their number 26 (I think) made quite a few cheap plays,one example just skating past Nikiforouk and glove punching him in the face. yes I agree on 26, dirty little so and so, I was hoping someone was going to get hold of him last night
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Post by wgray on Oct 2, 2016 8:57:07 GMT
OK then, for all of you out there who were pleased when we signed McGrattan and the same last year with Janssen: would someone like to explain how Manchester were able to play such a physical game, run so many of our guys through the boards and injure two of them? I thought with an enforcer that the opposition were supposed to be looking over their shoulders in fear of retribution for anything like that. Agreed. Great fighter but wasn't impressed with his enforcing role. Janssen would have had a word with a few of the Storm players last night and there would have been some big checks coming their way if they didn't listen. I think the problem is McGrattan doesn't particularly lay many hits, the only other way of then enforcing is as you say verbally, with threats, and sometimes he will have to make a point
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Post by Higgy on Oct 2, 2016 9:14:34 GMT
To be fair though after Neilson had been chirping at most of our players in the first,Big Ern stepped on the ice and offered him the fight,after the scrap Neilson was quiet all night until Mikka checked him.
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Post by titch on Oct 2, 2016 9:21:17 GMT
Agreed. Great fighter but wasn't impressed with his enforcing role. Janssen would have had a word with a few of the Storm players last night and there would have been some big checks coming their way if they didn't listen. I think the problem is McGrattan doesn't particularly lay many hits, the only other way of then enforcing is as you say verbally, with threats, and sometimes he will have to make a point This is exactly how he prefers it. Some people don't realise that McGrattan is not Janssen and whilst they play as enforcers, they're completely different in style of play. Speaking to Brian, he doesn't even like the fighting/boarding side of the game, but he knows his role and what he's came over here to do. I think Brian brings a hell of a lot more to our team on the ice, maybe not so much off the ice like Cam did though.
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Post by wannabe2 on Oct 2, 2016 9:21:19 GMT
Neilson doesn't fear McGrattan as he doesn't fear anyone, surely if you see your opponent take his lid off you do the same.
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Post by pingchowchi on Oct 2, 2016 9:25:30 GMT
Looking at the youtube clip Neilson's lid is already hanging down the back of his head before the fight starts (From the crosscheck) and I guess would have been more of a hindrance than anything if he left it on.
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Post by wgray on Oct 2, 2016 9:44:21 GMT
Neilson doesn't fear McGrattan as he doesn't fear anyone, surely if you see your opponent take his lid off you do the same. people will say what they want about it but McGrattan has kept his lid on for fights in recent years, the situation around fighting, concussion and brain trauma is all too real and although he enjoys the fighting I'm sure he will tell you if he can reduce the damage to his head then he will. If Bordeleau and McGrattan fight tonight, I think they will both keep there helmets on, as they should in my opinion
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 9:50:18 GMT
Agreed. Great fighter but wasn't impressed with his enforcing role. Janssen would have had a word with a few of the Storm players last night and there would have been some big checks coming their way if they didn't listen. I think the problem is McGrattan doesn't particularly lay many hits, the only other way of then enforcing is as you say verbally, with threats, and sometimes he will have to make a point I'm not sure McGrattan is one to need tips on what to do as an enforcer, he's been doing it long enough. That being said I haven't seen him play and I am looking forward to it and seeing how he goes about his business next week (first game I'm able to attend, hope I don't jinx the good home run haha).
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Post by Higgy on Oct 2, 2016 9:59:21 GMT
Neilson doesn't fear McGrattan as he doesn't fear anyone, surely if you see your opponent take his lid off you do the same. As had already been said removing your helmet before a fight is a penalty in the NHL,Mcgratten probably thought it was here as well
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