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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 21:42:41 GMT
Disagree with this entirely. It was the perfect game for Pacl. We can't risk an injury to Wiikman in a relatively pointless cup game. I know what you're saying but it will have done very little to help Pacl's confidence or the team's confidence in him, he's shipped 7 and had to come off injured... Tough. He's a back up doing his job. Should have had Green backing him up, could have chucked him in when it turned ugly. |
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Post by wgray on Sept 18, 2016 21:56:33 GMT
I know what you're saying but it will have done very little to help Pacl's confidence or the team's confidence in him, he's shipped 7 and had to come off injured... Tough. He's a back up doing his job. Should have had Green backing him up, could have chucked him in when it turned ugly. Wow I think that would have made my night even worse, I hate losing to them never mind being humiliated by them |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 22:03:26 GMT
Tough. He's a back up doing his job. Should have had Green backing him up, could have chucked him in when it turned ugly. Wow I think that would have made my night even worse, I hate losing to them never mind being humiliated by them 7-5 in a virtually pointless cup game isn't a humiliation. 0-8 is a very important cup game is a humiliation. |
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Post by wgray on Sept 18, 2016 22:16:18 GMT
Wow I think that would have made my night even worse, I hate losing to them never mind being humiliated by them 7-5 in a virtually pointless cup game isn't a humiliation. 0-8 is a very important cup game is a humiliation. No I'm not saying 7-5 is a humiliation, I was just trying say it would have been worse with Green in |
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Post by shmyrohdear on Sept 18, 2016 22:42:45 GMT
Feel sorry for Pacl, two soft goals he'll want back aside from that the forwards were letting guys wander unchecked into the slot, allowing point shots through with ease and in general the passing over this weekend has been nothing short of diabolical. Corey needs to sort out how we exit our zone and how we enter their zone. No hustle, no intensity for more than a few flashes and with the grit we possess we have no excuse for losing board battles and being out worked in all three zones. It's not all doom and gloom but a lot needs changing if we want to get anywhere with this team.
Goals aren't my worry, we have the players to notch up points and enough secondary scorers to keep us going well. My worry is the work rate. Spang looks lost, looks to me like he's taken three strides all weekend. The system hasn't changed for transition plays. To say we notched 5 tonight i feel frustrated that we didn't do more to slow them down given the guys we have.
Nikiforuk was my MOM, guy had a brilliant game imo.
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Post by PantherG on Sept 18, 2016 22:52:46 GMT
Wow I think that would have made my night even worse, I hate losing to them never mind being humiliated by them 7-5 in a virtually pointless cup game isn't a humiliation. 0-8 is a very important cup game is a humiliation. But is it pointless?  The way people are talking on here they are either not bothered whatsoever about qualifying or think we will just breeze through into the next round. FYI Manchester are playing very well at the moment, lose at home on Saturday to Shuff and away to Manchester and we will be struggling to avoid last place in the group. |
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Post by dill1015 on Sept 18, 2016 23:17:11 GMT
Feel sorry for Pacl, two soft goals he'll want back aside from that the forwards were letting guys wander unchecked into the slot, allowing point shots through with ease and in general the passing over this weekend has been nothing short of diabolical. Corey needs to sort out how we exit our zone and how we enter their zone. No hustle, no intensity for more than a few flashes and with the grit we possess we have no excuse for losing board battles and being out worked in all three zones. It's not all doom and gloom but a lot needs changing if we want to get anywhere with this team. Goals aren't my worry, we have the players to notch up points and enough secondary scorers to keep us going well. My worry is the work rate. Spang looks lost, looks to me like he's taken three strides all weekend. The system hasn't changed for transition plays. To say we notched 5 tonight i feel frustrated that we didn't do more to slow them down given the guys we have. Nikiforuk was my MOM, guy had a brilliant game imo. Pretty much bang on how i feel. I find it odd that pur trasition play it struglong based on all the trasition guys we signed. Hope this just needs a little time to click. |
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Post by Mozzy on Sept 19, 2016 0:22:24 GMT
Thought I'd add my thoughts about tonight.
Desbiens went for Lawrence due to the big hit he did on Nelson. All part of the game of course.
Interesting to read lots of comments on here suggesting being happy about scoring 5. Of course that's great, but a couple of lucky bounces and a massive lack of defensive coverage by our forwards was the main reason. The scoreline was far closer than it should have been, 5 goals scored was a little flattering imo.
There were times, especially in your zone, where we had you pinned in chasing shadows. You seemingly couldn't deal with the speed of our transition and the high intensity level we were playing at. It was a very dominant performance from our forwards. Probably has to be the most dominant we've been over you since Boxing Day 2012 and the 9-4 game.
For us, we have big defensive issues. 13 goals conceded in 3 games is not good. On the flip side, we've scored 17 in those 3 games and dominated large parts of all 3 games.
For you, you've now played 2 of your biggest rivals and whilst winning one you've been dominated in large parts in both games by your opposition. Miika and your D are going to absolutely key for you this year.
Very early days and lots for both teams to work on I think.
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Post by Ghost on Sept 19, 2016 6:07:12 GMT
Thought I'd add my thoughts about tonight. Desbiens went for Lawrence due to the big hit he did on Nelson. All part of the game of course. Interesting to read lots of comments on here suggesting being happy about scoring 5. Of course that's great, but a couple of lucky bounces and a massive lack of defensive coverage by our forwards was the main reason. The scoreline was far closer than it should have been, 5 goals scored was a little flattering imo. There were times, especially in your zone, where we had you pinned in chasing shadows. You seemingly couldn't deal with the speed of our transition and the high intensity level we were playing at. It was a very dominant performance from our forwards. Probably has to be the most dominant we've been over you since Boxing Day 2012 and the 9-4 game. For us, we have big defensive issues. 13 goals conceded in 3 games is not good. On the flip side, we've scored 17 in those 3 games and dominated large parts of all 3 games. For you, you've now played 2 of your biggest rivals and whilst winning one you've been dominated in large parts in both games by your opposition. Miika and your D are going to absolutely key for you this year. Very early days and lots for both teams to work on I think. Of course, the year you beat us 9-4 is the year we won it all.... |
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Sept 19, 2016 6:54:33 GMT
Weve played the last 2 games 2 forwards down so the intensity isnt going to be what it will be when were rolling 4 lines properly, well be fine this year
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Post by Mozzy on Sept 19, 2016 8:37:09 GMT
Thought I'd add my thoughts about tonight. Desbiens went for Lawrence due to the big hit he did on Nelson. All part of the game of course. Interesting to read lots of comments on here suggesting being happy about scoring 5. Of course that's great, but a couple of lucky bounces and a massive lack of defensive coverage by our forwards was the main reason. The scoreline was far closer than it should have been, 5 goals scored was a little flattering imo. There were times, especially in your zone, where we had you pinned in chasing shadows. You seemingly couldn't deal with the speed of our transition and the high intensity level we were playing at. It was a very dominant performance from our forwards. Probably has to be the most dominant we've been over you since Boxing Day 2012 and the 9-4 game. For us, we have big defensive issues. 13 goals conceded in 3 games is not good. On the flip side, we've scored 17 in those 3 games and dominated large parts of all 3 games. For you, you've now played 2 of your biggest rivals and whilst winning one you've been dominated in large parts in both games by your opposition. Miika and your D are going to absolutely key for you this year. Very early days and lots for both teams to work on I think. Of course, the year you beat us 9-4 is the year we won it all.... Yep, you won 3 from the 4 available.....runs and puts his tin at on!!  |
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Post by Ghost on Sept 19, 2016 9:02:52 GMT
Of course, the year you beat us 9-4 is the year we won it all.... Yep, you won 3 from the 4 available.....runs and puts his tin at on!! Lol.. The point I was making is that one result, certainly this early on is not necessarily indicative of where things will finish at the end of the year. I remember that year we lost to you at home early on and I was thinking this is the worst panthers team I've seen. Few changed we won the league! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 10:23:40 GMT
I've never been a Neilson fan but I say this. If things ain't going well he ll make changes so things do go right. If I was a Sheffield, Cardiff fan etc I wouldn't get too excited yet!
Panthers will do just enough to get out of the CC group and then take things serious in the knock out rounds...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 11:13:07 GMT
7-5 in a virtually pointless cup game isn't a humiliation. 0-8 is a very important cup game is a humiliation. No I'm not saying 7-5 is a humiliation, I was just trying say it would have been worse with Green in Ah I see.... Well if the defence is at fault more than the keeper you sometimes pull the keeper to get a reaction. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 11:14:57 GMT
7-5 in a virtually pointless cup game isn't a humiliation. 0-8 is a very important cup game is a humiliation. But is it pointless? The way people are talking on here they are either not bothered whatsoever about qualifying or think we will just breeze through into the next round. FYI Manchester are playing very well at the moment, lose at home on Saturday to Shuff and away to Manchester and we will be struggling to avoid last place in the group. Maybe not then.... Is there a danger we won't qualify for the easiest cup qualification on the planet?!
Has the structure been changed?!
Genuine question this btw.
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Post by fishman on Sept 19, 2016 11:19:27 GMT
Maybe CN could have put Wikman in earlier, at 4-2 looks like it's only going one way, but goals either side of the 2nd interval put Panther's back in the game, Lindhagen scored with just under 17 mins to play, 4 mins later and 3 goal conceded, instead of Wiikman playing 13 mins it would have been 17 mins and maybe a chance of a win
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Post by cjmatt42 on Sept 19, 2016 11:38:41 GMT
But is it pointless? The way people are talking on here they are either not bothered whatsoever about qualifying or think we will just breeze through into the next round. FYI Manchester are playing very well at the moment, lose at home on Saturday to Shuff and away to Manchester and we will be struggling to avoid last place in the group. Maybe not then.... Is there a danger we won't qualify for the easiest cup qualification on the planet?!
Has the structure been changed?!
Genuine question this btw.
Can't see us not qualifying. With five games to play as a minimum I'd expect us to beat Coventry and Manchester (Esp as Manchester is for League points too) at home. Those 6 points will probably be enough. Coventry have 5 games to go too. Assuming we do beat them at home they will be needing 4 points from Manchester at home, Sheffield Away and Cardiff Home and Away. Should Coventry make it to 6 or more points chances are they've taken points off Cardiff whose task to get to 6 gets more difficult. I'd be disappointed though if we didn't pick up at least another point though from Manchester away, Cardiff away and Sheffield at home and you'd expect 7 to be plenty. As a guide, Manchester got out our group with 4 points last term and Fife escaped group A with 6 points. 7 points should be plenty as it would need all other teams to be playing .500 hockey or better. |
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Post by deke on Sept 19, 2016 12:22:03 GMT
Sounds like we had similar problems to the Devils game. Really missing aguy to link up play and put a dangerous pass in. Did schultz play?
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Post by Yotes on Sept 19, 2016 12:27:31 GMT
Nope. Might be back next week.
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Post by deke on Sept 19, 2016 13:17:04 GMT
Hope so 7-5 isn't a great result but it makes it easier to process knowing we were missing 3 key players. Our goalie one of our main attacking threats and our physical threat. With the full package hopefully we will fare better
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2016 14:56:53 GMT
So not a 'debacle' then as someone here described?!
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Post by deke on Sept 19, 2016 15:34:28 GMT
Not a great result by any means but at least we know that next time something else can be added. Wiikman in the nets would provide better net coverage so less goals. Schultz would give us something on the attacking front that perhaps was missing and mcgratten obviously would work on intimidation, punishing dirty shots and doing hits and fights that pick a player up even if they are running on empty. The three guys that were missing for us were big key players. It would be like If you took moose Fitzgerald and mossienko off the steelers would the game have been different? Probably, hopefully we will have a full roster soon and be able to put out our best team
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Post by dill1015 on Sept 19, 2016 16:37:58 GMT
Having watched the highlights, both teams had some poor moments defensively for the goals. Panthers in particular simply not picking men up in our own zone. Their players had so much time. Pacl could have stop a couple of them though.
Good to see our guys trying to get into the slot. Something we didnt really do against devils.
Still feel we'd be more balanced of we had a big stay at home guy.
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Post by wgray on Sept 19, 2016 18:39:10 GMT
Having watched the highlights, both teams had some poor moments defensively for the goals. Panthers in particular simply not picking men up in our own zone. Their players had so much time. Pacl could have stop a couple of them though. Good to see our guys trying to get into the slot. Something we didnt really do against devils. Still feel we'd be more balanced of we had a big stay at home guy. 3rd and 5th he should be stopping, the 6th was a gift from Lee and the 7th Lacho was ambling on the puck so that's a mistake from him. We had some well taken goals as well, Lindhagens was a cracker, a lot to come from him I think |
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Post by davidspence on Sept 19, 2016 18:55:09 GMT
going on the highlights alone i struggle to understand how we could be so woeful in defense after being so solid on Saturday night.
yes Pacl will want a couple back but it appears he will only 'keep us in a game' rather than have the potential to win us games in the same way Wiikman can.
it was good to see us creating some good chances, pleased Nikiforuk is off the mark and also the fact one goal was on the doorstep & the other being a cracking finish, i hope he kicks on from here.
i don't buy into the "it doesn't matter, its the CC" winning breeds winning, we shouldn't so readily tolerate defeat, with how competitive all the teams seem this year so far it could be very close even in a 4 out of 5 qualifying scenario.
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