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Post by Ghost on Sept 4, 2016 19:30:46 GMT
Let's look around the league... clan have been hit and miss. Giants for beat in Fife last night... Steelers lost in Manchester and just shaded it tonight with a EN Cardiff beat Coventry 7-6 after ot !!! I see all these sides have hit the ground running.! You best go have a look at who was missing for the Giants and Steelers last night Pidge. Sheffield rested about five players. And the Giants were missing Vandermeer,Saviano,Foster, and a couple more. And what would you have said if Panthers had players missing I wonder!!!
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Post by deke on Sept 4, 2016 19:34:09 GMT
Come on guys it's one game we started great last year did we win the title? Nope. Pleanty of hockey this season let's not concede the season just yet eh?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 19:38:11 GMT
You best go have a look at who was missing for the Giants and Steelers last night Pidge. Sheffield rested about five players. And the Giants were missing Vandermeer,Saviano,Foster, and a couple more. And what would you have said if Panthers had players missing I wonder!!! Yeah imagine if we missing 5 players tonight it would pale tonight's defeat into significance in iginlas world . Such as "it's disgraceful we are so short etc etc "
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Post by iginla on Sept 4, 2016 19:39:28 GMT
You best go have a look at who was missing for the Giants and Steelers last night Pidge. Sheffield rested about five players. And the Giants were missing Vandermeer,Saviano,Foster, and a couple more. And what would you have said if Panthers had players missing I wonder!!! Pidge was the one who asked the question without checking the circumstances not me. If we had been missing them because they were injured there's not much you can say,other than why is there no injury cover in place. But if they were rested or not even here then that's the club or players stupid fault if they lose !
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Post by dill1015 on Sept 4, 2016 19:42:07 GMT
Let's look around the league... clan have been hit and miss. Giants for beat in Fife last night... Steelers lost in Manchester and just shaded it tonight with a EN Cardiff beat Coventry 7-6 after ot !!! I see all these sides have hit the ground running.! Coventry have been the best team so far.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Sept 4, 2016 19:52:15 GMT
Most concerning thing for me is Neilsons PP systems.. So predictable and unproductive every year. Was hoping for something different this year but our PP has been terrible tonight. Corey can't think of another PP tactic other than the one he always wanted to play as a player... Everyone playing it round to make space for a big shot from the blue line. Nearly a decade on and it's fairly easy to neutralise.
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Post by iginla on Sept 4, 2016 20:00:34 GMT
Most concerning thing for me is Neilsons PP systems.. So predictable and unproductive every year. Was hoping for something different this year but our PP has been terrible tonight. Corey can't think of another PP tactic other than the one he always wanted to play as a player... Everyone playing it round to make space for a big shot from the blue line. Nearly a decade on and it's fairly easy to neutralise. He had one once. Ling across crease to Graham at the back post and bang it was in the net. We've never seen it since !
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Post by dill1015 on Sept 4, 2016 20:33:52 GMT
Corey can't think of another PP tactic other than the one he always wanted to play as a player... Everyone playing it round to make space for a big shot from the blue line. Nearly a decade on and it's fairly easy to neutralise. He had one once. Ling across crease to Graham at the back post and bang it was in the net. We've never seen it since ! We also had that with Galbraith and McAslan
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Post by Bolts on Sept 4, 2016 20:35:16 GMT
Corey can't think of another PP tactic other than the one he always wanted to play as a player... Everyone playing it round to make space for a big shot from the blue line. Nearly a decade on and it's fairly easy to neutralise. He had one once. Ling across crease to Graham at the back post and bang it was in the net. We've never seen it since ! The one thing that hasn't changed and probably won't!!
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Post by Spoonerdudes on Sept 4, 2016 20:37:38 GMT
when Corey used to play your power play was lethal....passing round to Corey on the Point....BOOOM....absolute Cannon
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Post by iginla on Sept 4, 2016 20:40:35 GMT
He had one once. Ling across crease to Graham at the back post and bang it was in the net. We've never seen it since ! We also had that with Galbraith and McAslan You have to have that Ling/Galbraith playmaker and we haven't got him this year. Neither have we got the Beareguard/Doucet out and out sniper. That's why i think we will struggle in some games this season.
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Post by Ghost on Sept 4, 2016 20:48:19 GMT
We also had that with Galbraith and McAslan You have to have that Ling/Galbraith playmaker and we haven't got him this year. Neither have we got the Beareguard/Doucet out and out sniper. That's why i think we will struggle in some games this season. You don't need a sniper for tap ins. I could score a tap in.
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Post by iginla on Sept 4, 2016 20:58:32 GMT
You have to have that Ling/Galbraith playmaker and we haven't got him this year. Neither have we got the Beareguard/Doucet out and out sniper. That's why i think we will struggle in some games this season. You don't need a sniper for tap ins. I could score a tap in. You need him for that really really tight game where nobody can break the deadlock though,with a goal out of nothing. Like Beauregard did in the play off final against Cardiff.
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Post by Ghost on Sept 4, 2016 21:01:18 GMT
You don't need a sniper for tap ins. I could score a tap in. You need him for that really really tight game where nobody can break the deadlock though,with a goal out of nothing. Like Beauregard did in the play off final against Cardiff. If you'd have watched the game with a positive attitude tonight you'd have noticed that just from one game it is clear Carter and Nikiforuk have that kind of skill.
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Post by iginla on Sept 4, 2016 21:04:53 GMT
You need him for that really really tight game where nobody can break the deadlock though,with a goal out of nothing. Like Beauregard did in the play off final against Cardiff. If you'd have watched the game with a positive attitude tonight you'd have noticed that just from one game it is clear Carter and Nikiforuk have that kind of skill. I hope they have,I really do and we end up winning every trophy. But their goal scoring records don't really point to those two being 40 goal a season men.
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Post by PantherB on Sept 4, 2016 21:24:06 GMT
If you'd have watched the game with a positive attitude tonight you'd have noticed that just from one game it is clear Carter and Nikiforuk have that kind of skill. I hope they have,I really do and we end up winning every trophy. But their goal scoring records don't really point to those two being 40 goal a season men. Nobody in the league scored 40 goals last season. Forney and Roy only just managed it in 14-15 with 42 each but neither have hit those heights since and both had a monumental decline last season if you compare the two seasons. Doucet scored the most last season with 35. Carter, Nikiforuk and Schultz will all score 25-35. The only forwards that won't contribute very much in terms of goals aka, less than 10, i'd say would be Lachowicz and possibly Betteridge. Though in Betteridge's form and improvement on last season, i'd like to say he'd push for 10. Lindhagen and MacMillan perhaps between 10-15 each and everyone else that's unmentioned, 15+.
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Post by dill1015 on Sept 4, 2016 21:26:32 GMT
We also had that with Galbraith and McAslan You have to have that Ling/Galbraith playmaker and we haven't got him this year. Neither have we got the Beareguard/Doucet out and out sniper. That's why i think we will struggle in some games this season. Snipers are useful but not absolutely cruical in our league as long as you have a few guys who can hit the back of the net every other game. Playmakers however are vital, you need guys who can unlock a defence with a great pass. On paper we have a great one in Moran, but he was one of the few players last year i wasnt really fussed about having back. Hes by no means a poor player. But as a first line centre i just feel he's not a guy to rely on to dig you out of a hole. Im really hoping Nikorfuk can be that guy.
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Post by Ghost on Sept 4, 2016 21:29:24 GMT
I hope they have,I really do and we end up winning every trophy. But their goal scoring records don't really point to those two being 40 goal a season men. Nobody in the league scored 40 goals last season. Forney and Roy only just managed it in 14-15 with 42 each but neither have hit those heights since and both had a monumental decline last season if you compare the two seasons. Doucet scored the most last season with 35. Carter, Nikiforuk and Schultz will all score 25-35. The only forwards that won't contribute very much in terms of goals aka, less than 10, i'd say would be Lachowicz and possibly Betteridge. Though in Betteridge's form and improvement on last season, i'd like to say he'd push for 10. Lindhagen and MacMillan perhaps between 10-15 each and everyone else that's unmentioned, 15+. Couldn't agree more. Half expecting iginla to be disappointed if they don't all score 80 odd cos Adey did two decades ago! The game changes, watching NHL games nowadays the commentators are always saying '30 is the new 40' in terms of goal scoring! If none of them score 40 I wouldn't be surprised, do any of them need to score 40! I doubt it!
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Post by iginla on Sept 4, 2016 21:49:52 GMT
Nobody in the league scored 40 goals last season. Forney and Roy only just managed it in 14-15 with 42 each but neither have hit those heights since and both had a monumental decline last season if you compare the two seasons. Doucet scored the most last season with 35. Carter, Nikiforuk and Schultz will all score 25-35. The only forwards that won't contribute very much in terms of goals aka, less than 10, i'd say would be Lachowicz and possibly Betteridge. Though in Betteridge's form and improvement on last season, i'd like to say he'd push for 10. Lindhagen and MacMillan perhaps between 10-15 each and everyone else that's unmentioned, 15+. Couldn't agree more. Half expecting iginla to be disappointed if they don't all score 80 odd cos Adey did two decades ago! The game changes, watching NHL games nowadays the commentators are always saying '30 is the new 40' in terms of goal scoring! If none of them score 40 I wouldn't be surprised, do any of them need to score 40! I doubt it! Err where did I say any of this years team would be a 40 goal man ? I was talking Bearegard who WAS a genuine 40 goal man,even a 50 goal man a couple of times in his career. Not sure where you get Carter as a 35 goal man,he will score a fair few yes,but his previous record isn't that good. Or even NIkiforuk,he will get a good number but his previous stats wouldn't suggest 35 either. As for comparing anybody now to Adey,well that's just daft. He was playing in an era when he was a good import playing amongst mainly EPL type part time Brits,of course he was going to score a stupid amount of goals !
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Post by John Casey on Sept 4, 2016 22:31:08 GMT
While the result isn't ideal, we will be one of the 4 out of 5 teams to qualify for the Quarter Finals. Really they should get rid of the Quarter Finals and just have the top 2 teams from both groups go to the Semi-Finals, that makes the early games in the Group stages more important and we will have all our players in town a lot earlier than they have been arriving.
That said if the results are similar next week, then all the complaints become more valid.
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Post by PantherB on Sept 5, 2016 9:12:21 GMT
Couldn't agree more. Half expecting iginla to be disappointed if they don't all score 80 odd cos Adey did two decades ago! The game changes, watching NHL games nowadays the commentators are always saying '30 is the new 40' in terms of goal scoring! If none of them score 40 I wouldn't be surprised, do any of them need to score 40! I doubt it! Err where did I say any of this years team would be a 40 goal man ? I was talking Bearegard who WAS a genuine 40 goal man,even a 50 goal man a couple of times in his career. Not sure where you get Carter as a 35 goal man,he will score a fair few yes,but his previous record isn't that good. Or even NIkiforuk,he will get a good number but his previous stats wouldn't suggest 35 either. As for comparing anybody now to Adey,well that's just daft. He was playing in an era when he was a good import playing amongst mainly EPL type part time Brits,of course he was going to score a stupid amount of goals ! Like Ghost has said, 30 is being seen as the new 40. It's not too smart to compare the stats from years ago to those of today, the game has changed a lot and improved on all aspects making scoring more difficult. As for Carter & Nikiforuk, I'd suggest taking a step away from EliteProspects and watching them both, the entire team.. Carter was tremendous in Amiens and looked like the sort to score quite a lot of goals whilst assisting on a lot too. His skil is superb and his stick handling even better. Nikiforuk is similar with more speed.. Both are deadly players and both have the quality to lead us in scoring and push for the league top scorer.
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Post by iginla on Sept 5, 2016 9:29:48 GMT
Err where did I say any of this years team would be a 40 goal man ? I was talking Bearegard who WAS a genuine 40 goal man,even a 50 goal man a couple of times in his career. Not sure where you get Carter as a 35 goal man,he will score a fair few yes,but his previous record isn't that good. Or even NIkiforuk,he will get a good number but his previous stats wouldn't suggest 35 either. As for comparing anybody now to Adey,well that's just daft. He was playing in an era when he was a good import playing amongst mainly EPL type part time Brits,of course he was going to score a stupid amount of goals ! Like Ghost has said, 30 is being seen as the new 40. It's not too smart to compare the stats from years ago to those of today, the game has changed a lot and improved on all aspects making scoring more difficult. As for Carter & Nikiforuk, I'd suggest taking a step away from EliteProspects and watching them both, the entire team.. Carter was tremendous in Amiens and looked like the sort to score quite a lot of goals whilst assisting on a lot too. His skil is superb and his stick handling even better. Nikiforuk is similar with more speed.. Both are deadly players and both have the quality to lead us in scoring and push for the league top scorer. Ok then Pantherb. We will all live in your dream world,where previous stats mean nothing and just because somebody "looks like they might score a lot" they are going to score a hatful,even though they haven't in the past. By your way of thinking,perhaps our new enforcer will be somebody who looks big and tough,but can't or hasn't actually won any fights.....but he looks like he might though ! Lol
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Post by PantherB on Sept 5, 2016 10:06:04 GMT
Like Ghost has said, 30 is being seen as the new 40. It's not too smart to compare the stats from years ago to those of today, the game has changed a lot and improved on all aspects making scoring more difficult. As for Carter & Nikiforuk, I'd suggest taking a step away from EliteProspects and watching them both, the entire team.. Carter was tremendous in Amiens and looked like the sort to score quite a lot of goals whilst assisting on a lot too. His skil is superb and his stick handling even better. Nikiforuk is similar with more speed.. Both are deadly players and both have the quality to lead us in scoring and push for the league top scorer. Ok then Pantherb. We will all live in your dream world,where previous stats mean nothing and just because somebody "looks like they might score a lot" they are going to score a hatful,even though they haven't in the past. By your way of thinking,perhaps our new enforcer will be somebody who looks big and tough,but can't or hasn't actually won any fights.....but he looks like he might though ! Lol Nice to see your usual ignorance 'see what i wanna see' come out as per. Saying step away from the paper side means actually watching the players, does paper mean they're going to tear it up? No, does paper mean they're going to be crap? No. Watching them play will give you a much better idea of how they play. You've got the Mosey example, crap record, one of our best players in recent years. Carter scored quite a few in France, not a vastly difficult league but not a league you get ridiculous points totals in. He has 28 in 39 games that he played in France, pretend that that's the sort of scoring he'd put up here he'd be getting around 35 in 52. His stats outside of the EIHL are better than Doucet's for godsake yet you still hound him and say he won't get anywhere near 35, which is Doucet's lowest total in a full season btw. Nikiforuk has scored well in Italy & Denmark a few years ago admittedly but they were better leagues than the EIHL back then, we've improved a lot and Nikiforuk has still played at a very good level since them. 92pts in 106 NLB games.. Much better league than the EIHL. 13 in 14 in the DEL2, similar standard for sure but if you're still failing to see, that's near a point per game. Fans of Fischtown rate him very highly and were surprised he 'dropped down' to the EIHL, saying he could've easily gotten himself a roster spot on Fischtown's DEL team. That is very much the paper side of things yet you're not expecting much from either? That's the first surprising thing. Having seen Carter play in every game besides last night, he is dripping with potential. Nikiforuk, not seen him in the flesh, only on a screen but it's very easy to say that he impressed me with what i've seen in the short clips and highlights. Players take time to settle down. I bet you were one of those calling for Graham's head in 2012-13 before he and Ling got going. As for the tough guy, they wouldn't even be considered tough if they hadn't won fights or proved their toughness so please, take a seat or alternatively, get off your ass and watch the players.
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Post by Ghost on Sept 5, 2016 10:12:39 GMT
Couldn't agree more. Half expecting iginla to be disappointed if they don't all score 80 odd cos Adey did two decades ago! The game changes, watching NHL games nowadays the commentators are always saying '30 is the new 40' in terms of goal scoring! If none of them score 40 I wouldn't be surprised, do any of them need to score 40! I doubt it! Err where did I say any of this years team would be a 40 goal man ? I was talking Bearegard who WAS a genuine 40 goal man,even a 50 goal man a couple of times in his career. Not sure where you get Carter as a 35 goal man,he will score a fair few yes,but his previous record isn't that good. Or even NIkiforuk,he will get a good number but his previous stats wouldn't suggest 35 either. As for comparing anybody now to Adey,well that's just daft. He was playing in an era when he was a good import playing amongst mainly EPL type part time Brits,of course he was going to score a stupid amount of goals ! Well actually you did say that. 'I can't see them scoring 40 this year'.
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Post by iginla on Sept 5, 2016 10:21:11 GMT
Err where did I say any of this years team would be a 40 goal man ? I was talking Bearegard who WAS a genuine 40 goal man,even a 50 goal man a couple of times in his career. Not sure where you get Carter as a 35 goal man,he will score a fair few yes,but his previous record isn't that good. Or even NIkiforuk,he will get a good number but his previous stats wouldn't suggest 35 either. As for comparing anybody now to Adey,well that's just daft. He was playing in an era when he was a good import playing amongst mainly EPL type part time Brits,of course he was going to score a stupid amount of goals ! Well actually you did say that. 'I can't see them scoring 40 this year'. Read it again in the proper context. He suggested i said they would get 40,when in fact I said they wouldn't !
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