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Post by PantherB on Sept 3, 2016 12:27:38 GMT
I think you'll find we do, just because we don't win it.. it doesn't mean we aren't challenging for it. Last season's team was the best since we won the league, Wiikman's injury killed us.. If he didn't get injured then chances are we could be sat here going into the season with 3 stars on our jersey again. Seasons before that, they've just been savaged by injury and a mixture of the wrong players and players who haven't managed to connect with teammates despite their good looking stats. Corey's/Panthers' fault? In some aspects, but definitely not completely. Thanks for proving my point. Last season we didn't give ourselves a chance to win the league. If you really believe we put ourselves in the best position to challenge for the league title every year we must be the most unlucky team in the history of sport. Your initial post spoke about simply 'We should put ourselves in a position to challenge for the league'.. We challenged, challenging and putting ourselves in the best position ar different things. We we in with a shot until February? Yes, i'd very much call that challenging. In response to yourself and Kiev; It's just the games we lost due to Wiikman's injury which cost us and saying it's Panthers' fault for not bringing someone in sooner is partly correct, North American's take 3 weeks for the Visa Process and to arrive, out of our hands and obviously it's never as simple as finding a Free Agent and saying, 'come play for us' and them saying 'okay'. There was at least 2 months between Steelers signing Pinc and Panthers signing Madolora, the availability is changing all the time and to bring in a goalie around Christmas time, or any player for that matter is never easy.. It's the middle of the season and it's Christmas.
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Post by iginla on Sept 3, 2016 13:06:48 GMT
And every season since and an awful lot before...who is right the most if you want to play that game... Nope... not playing that game. Simply pointing out that we hear the same old criticisms being said by the same people at the same time every year... regardless of what happened the previous year and how good or not the team is looking. It's just as ridiculous to constantly denigrate the team as it is to constantly praise them... any hint of the latter gets slammed as being 'happy clappy' (or some other derogatory term) so why should the former be tolerated any more? A bit of balance is what is required IMO... that and actually giving them a chance to show us what they can do before they get tried, convicted and executed! It's pointed out,because that was our opinion at the time and out of FIFTEEN arena seasons,every year bar one it proved to be correct.....id say that was pretty conclusive ! And even early on in that one season it was justified too,but once they bucked their ideas up they got nothing but praise on here. You never know,it might just have been that criticism that sparked them into life !
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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 3, 2016 13:13:01 GMT
Thanks for proving my point. Last season we didn't give ourselves a chance to win the league. If you really believe we put ourselves in the best position to challenge for the league title every year we must be the most unlucky team in the history of sport. Your initial post spoke about simply 'We should put ourselves in a position to challenge for the league'.. We challenged, challenging and putting ourselves in the best position ar different things. We we in with a shot until February? Yes, i'd very much call that challenging. In response to yourself and Kiev; It's just the games we lost due to Wiikman's injury which cost us and saying it's Panthers' fault for not bringing someone in sooner is partly correct, North American's take 3 weeks for the Visa Process and to arrive, out of our hands and obviously it's never as simple as finding a Free Agent and saying, 'come play for us' and them saying 'okay'. There was at least 2 months between Steelers signing Pinc and Panthers signing Madolora, the availability is changing all the time and to bring in a goalie around Christmas time, or any player for that matter is never easy.. It's the middle of the season and it's Christmas. So we don't put ourselves in the best position to win the league that we could?
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Post by iginla on Sept 3, 2016 13:17:10 GMT
Thanks for proving my point. Last season we didn't give ourselves a chance to win the league. If you really believe we put ourselves in the best position to challenge for the league title every year we must be the most unlucky team in the history of sport. Your initial post spoke about simply 'We should put ourselves in a position to challenge for the league'.. We challenged, challenging and putting ourselves in the best position ar different things. We we in with a shot until February? Yes, i'd very much call that challenging. In response to yourself and Kiev; It's just the games we lost due to Wiikman's injury which cost us and saying it's Panthers' fault for not bringing someone in sooner is partly correct, North American's take 3 weeks for the Visa Process and to arrive, out of our hands and obviously it's never as simple as finding a Free Agent and saying, 'come play for us' and them saying 'okay'. There was at least 2 months between Steelers signing Pinc and Panthers signing Madolora, the availability is changing all the time and to bring in a goalie around Christmas time, or any player for that matter is never easy.. It's the middle of the season and it's Christmas. Why did we have to go North American for a replacement goalie ? Steelers didn't with Pinc. We didn't either,Madalora came to us from Italy. And we havn't this year with Pacl. You're making excuses for them again !
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Post by PantherB on Sept 3, 2016 13:41:19 GMT
Your initial post spoke about simply 'We should put ourselves in a position to challenge for the league'.. We challenged, challenging and putting ourselves in the best position ar different things. We we in with a shot until February? Yes, i'd very much call that challenging. In response to yourself and Kiev; It's just the games we lost due to Wiikman's injury which cost us and saying it's Panthers' fault for not bringing someone in sooner is partly correct, North American's take 3 weeks for the Visa Process and to arrive, out of our hands and obviously it's never as simple as finding a Free Agent and saying, 'come play for us' and them saying 'okay'. There was at least 2 months between Steelers signing Pinc and Panthers signing Madolora, the availability is changing all the time and to bring in a goalie around Christmas time, or any player for that matter is never easy.. It's the middle of the season and it's Christmas. Why did we have to go North American for a replacement goalie ? Steelers didn't with Pinc. We didn't either,Madalora came to us from Italy. And we havn't this year with Pacl. You're making excuses for them again ! Madolora doesn't hold a European Passport so it's not like he could've just packed his bags and left for the UK from Italy.. We don't have to but for all we know there might not have been any decent Europeans available at the time or they wanted too much money, Madalora cam to us after experiencing issues with the Valpellice management, he wanted out and we took him on. We got lucky because he was better than Pinc was and probably one of the better Goaltenders available at the time. You don't get young North Americans head over to Europe unless they're an unsigned prospect from the NHL Draft and want to play at a higher level than Juniors or the ECHL. Looking around Europe for a young goalie who's parent club would like them to get a bit of icetime at a reasonable level was pretty much the best option, you won't keep two starting capable goalies happy, Pacl knows he isn't the starter but he knows he will get his chances, because he's young and still developing. We wouldn't have even got Pacl if it wasn't for Kalus. Excuses being defending them from the usual bashing? I can't wait to see what what this supporters trust manages to achieve besides raising the blood pressure of everyone in attendance. It's just going to be a big group of haters slating Panthers and growing their dislike for the club more and more, and you can tell that's how it will go by looking who's a part of it.. Same people, the moaners and haters who have jack to say about the club which is positive.
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Post by iginla on Sept 3, 2016 13:55:37 GMT
Why did we have to go North American for a replacement goalie ? Steelers didn't with Pinc. We didn't either,Madalora came to us from Italy. And we havn't this year with Pacl. You're making excuses for them again ! Madolora doesn't hold a European Passport so it's not like he could've just packed his bags and left for the UK from Italy.. We don't have to but for all we know there might not have been any decent Europeans available at the time or they wanted too much money, Madalora cam to us after experiencing issues with the Valpellice management, he wanted out and we took him on. We got lucky because he was better than Pinc was and probably one of the better Goaltenders available at the time. You don't get young North Americans head over to Europe unless they're an unsigned prospect from the NHL Draft and want to play at a higher level than Juniors or the ECHL. Looking around Europe for a young goalie who's parent club would like them to get a bit of icetime at a reasonable level was pretty much the best option, you won't keep two starting capable goalies happy, Pacl knows he isn't the starter but he knows he will get his chances, because he's young and still developing. We wouldn't have even got Pacl if it wasn't for Kalus. Excuses being defending them from the usual bashing? I can't wait to see what what this supporters trust manages to achieve besides raising the blood pressure of everyone in attendance. It's just going to be a big group of haters slating Panthers and growing their dislike for the club more and more, and you can tell that's how it will go by looking who's a part of it.. Same people, the moaners and haters who have jack to say about the club which is positive. Hey you could always start your own "supporters trust club" especially for the happy clappers. As for going down the young Euro goalie cover route,yes Panthers have finally done it and credit to them......it's something i have suggested many many times for ooooh about the last four or five years !!!!
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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 3, 2016 14:09:21 GMT
Your initial post spoke about simply 'We should put ourselves in a position to challenge for the league'.. We challenged, challenging and putting ourselves in the best position ar different things. We we in with a shot until February? Yes, i'd very much call that challenging. In response to yourself and Kiev; It's just the games we lost due to Wiikman's injury which cost us and saying it's Panthers' fault for not bringing someone in sooner is partly correct, North American's take 3 weeks for the Visa Process and to arrive, out of our hands and obviously it's never as simple as finding a Free Agent and saying, 'come play for us' and them saying 'okay'. There was at least 2 months between Steelers signing Pinc and Panthers signing Madolora, the availability is changing all the time and to bring in a goalie around Christmas time, or any player for that matter is never easy.. It's the middle of the season and it's Christmas. So we don't put ourselves in the best position to win the league that we could? I'm not surprised you decided to dodge this question. Difficult one for you to answer isn't it...
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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 3, 2016 14:13:23 GMT
Why did we have to go North American for a replacement goalie ? Steelers didn't with Pinc. We didn't either,Madalora came to us from Italy. And we havn't this year with Pacl. You're making excuses for them again ! Madolora doesn't hold a European Passport so it's not like he could've just packed his bags and left for the UK from Italy.. We don't have to but for all we know there might not have been any decent Europeans available at the time or they wanted too much money, Madalora cam to us after experiencing issues with the Valpellice management, he wanted out and we took him on. We got lucky because he was better than Pinc was and probably one of the better Goaltenders available at the time. You don't get young North Americans head over to Europe unless they're an unsigned prospect from the NHL Draft and want to play at a higher level than Juniors or the ECHL. Looking around Europe for a young goalie who's parent club would like them to get a bit of icetime at a reasonable level was pretty much the best option, you won't keep two starting capable goalies happy, Pacl knows he isn't the starter but he knows he will get his chances, because he's young and still developing. We wouldn't have even got Pacl if it wasn't for Kalus. Excuses being defending them from the usual bashing? I can't wait to see what what this supporters trust manages to achieve besides raising the blood pressure of everyone in attendance. It's just going to be a big group of haters slating Panthers and growing their dislike for the club more and more, and you can tell that's how it will go by looking who's a part of it.. Same people, the moaners and haters who have jack to say about the club which is positive. I rarely agree with your opinion PantherB but this post is just pathetic. Firstly, you don't know anything about the trust or who is involved. If you do have any sensible questions id be happy to answer them on here or meet you at a game. Why would anyone who hates the club go to the time and effort of setting up a supporters trust? It's not a group of mates who sit around whinging. It's a legal body with a democratically elected board. Again, why would anyone bother to go to that trouble unless they loved the team/ sport? You recent comments on this thread are incredably immature to be honest.
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Post by Pies on Sept 3, 2016 14:54:02 GMT
This is the game thread so let's get back to discussing that please everyone! If needs be take this to DM because it's not the place people want to see this stuff.
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Post by Rob Scott on Sept 3, 2016 15:34:05 GMT
Fair play Pies.
Hoping for a Panthers win. I'll go for 4-2.
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Post by iginla on Sept 3, 2016 15:38:42 GMT
Unbelievable... panthers will be at almost full strength excluding the yet unsigned player yet being wrote off already... I didn't realise Coventry were that good...people saying we ll lose but fail to give a reason why to back it up... Panthers win 4-2 Our defence will be key all season "Almost at full strength excluding the yet unsigned import" Pidge....and according to the Eve Post possibly Wiikman,Schultz and Clarke too !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 17:48:44 GMT
And the evening post is never wrong hey.
They'll play
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Post by Bagheera on Sept 3, 2016 19:37:23 GMT
The reality is if everybody here dresses then we will have our full quota of imports. O.k that means 2 import Goalies but is that really a bad thing considering it's a CC game that will probably mean very little in the end anyway. And it allows us to potentially give bith Goalies some game time. The only reason we have a player unsigned is because our star attraction pulled out late. In this instance hardly a reason to blame the club. The team we have is good enough to win this game. Will we win? Who knows. As far i'm concerned it's the same as any visit to Coventry. We can win but it's always pretty tough to get a result there. The game could go either way, but if we lose I doubt very much it'll be because we have 1 import missing.
I want to see the "tough guy" in as much as anyone, but I think we will be fine short term. Not a fan of the team toughness excuse we saw a few years back over a season, however we have enough to get by for a few games.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 21:50:49 GMT
How any fan can claim that Panthers give themselves the best chance to win I'll never know. The facts are staring you in the face, PantherB.
Or have we just been 'unlucky' with all these failed title challenges?!
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Post by shinobi on Sept 3, 2016 22:54:43 GMT
How any fan can claim that Panthers give themselves the best chance to win I'll never know. The facts are staring you in the face, PantherB. Or have we just been 'unlucky' with all these failed title challenges?! Well I'd certainly say the 94/95 season the Panthers were unlucky with injuries come the title run in but as for the other X seasons, I don't think they've been good enough to win league titles as the records clearly show.
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Post by iginla on Sept 3, 2016 23:19:35 GMT
How any fan can claim that Panthers give themselves the best chance to win I'll never know. The facts are staring you in the face, PantherB. Or have we just been 'unlucky' with all these failed title challenges?! Oh Jordanooo of course we've been unlucky. Of the 15 seasons in the arena,we have won it once,been a distant runner up once......and the other 13 seasons we have just been unlucky. There is only so much luck you can have ya know,it's just that Sheffield,Coventry and Belfast are much luckier than we are !!!! Lol
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Post by Yotes on Sept 3, 2016 23:37:00 GMT
Game thread...
Blimey, this one can't face off soon enough.
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Post by Spoonerdudes on Sept 4, 2016 10:13:25 GMT
Should be interesting
Hopefully i wont miss as much as i did at the pre season game...i came in for Rec training start of the third and missed seven goals and a fight.....lol
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Post by fishman on Sept 4, 2016 16:23:39 GMT
Puck dropped, why start with 3 lefties on the forward line? ?
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Post by Yotes on Sept 4, 2016 16:26:51 GMT
Any missing?
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Post by panthers_nyr on Sept 4, 2016 16:28:36 GMT
1-0 blaze after 4mins, lazy back checking leads to an easy tap in.
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Post by shinobi on Sept 4, 2016 16:30:21 GMT
1-0 blaze after 4mins, lazy back checking leads to an easy tap in. Who started in goal for Panthers?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 16:31:33 GMT
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Post by panthers_nyr on Sept 4, 2016 16:31:43 GMT
1-0 blaze after 4mins, lazy back checking leads to an easy tap in. Who started in goal for Panthers? Pacl has started with Wiikman as backup, Schultz is the only player missing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 16:32:03 GMT
1-0 blaze after 4mins, lazy back checking leads to an easy tap in. Who started in goal for Panthers? Pacl started.
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