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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 8:32:03 GMT
As our 7th highest scoring forward, he's on a par with both Devils and Steelers 7th highest scoring forwards. A brief scouting report from where I sit. His hands and close stick handling are as good as I've seen in a long while (since PC Drouin?) and a wrist shot to go with it. Not overly physical, though, and not the world's best skater. Has he "disappointed"? That depends on expectation. I'd have liked to see him in bigger situations more often, although the Carter/Betteridge/Brown line both scored good points and was Panthers most defensively responsible between November and and January. Brown and Carter were top of the +/- charts in that time. Quite why Corey split them up I'll never know, but both have plummeted since. (From +10/+7 to -4/-3) He was clearly playing more minutes in France for the last 2 seasons probably in all situations, whereas he hasn't so much this season, with the team playing 4 line hockey. In flashes, he's brilliant. Could he play like that all season, given a better crack? I'd guess opinion on here may say no, but we may never know. Please ... just please don't mention Carter in the same sentence as PC Drouin . Thankyou
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Post by bobness on Mar 25, 2017 9:27:39 GMT
Think the point is Bobness shouldn't he be a lot higher than 7th on the team.. Well, that's maybe the point about overhype, isn't it? Carter has a fairly modest CV, let's be honest, coming off a reasonably decent season in France, but no great pro seasons before that. Compare him, statistically and experience-wise, to Nikiforuk, either Carter has done very well to be within 6 points of Nikiforuk for the season (given Nikiforuk's much more comprehensive CV, including good scoring seasons in Denmark, Italy and Switzerland) or Nikiforuk should maybe have had a whole lot more points than he has. I'd have put good money on Nikiforuk scoring at least half as many points again as Jeff Brown (another unheralded signing, but he has overachieved spectacularly for me) at the start of the season, before a puck was dropped. Being honest, I expected a lot more from Nikiforuk, points wise, but I'm not sure that's his fault. (I'm clearly in the minority here though, as seemingly Nikiforuk is immune from any criticism on these hallowed pages.) I'm more and more coming round to the view that we have some decent players, just that they are (in general) coached and/or motivated poorly. The Corey Neilson Random Forward Line Generator has been hugely in play for most of this season, and chemistry has been sorely lacking. What chemistry there has been (Brown/Carter the most obvious example, but Lawrence/Farmer/McGratton is another) has been split up, and there are, somewhat ironically, issues at present with the fact that we have to rest at least 1 import forward for every game, which means at least one line is disrupted game on game, at a crucial time of the year. We currently have all the "grit" on one line (Farmer/Brown/McGratton), a lightweight (albeit quite fast and busy) kid line, with Clarke and Moran (both of whom have the defensive conscience of Gary Lineker) on another line. The lines look horribly unbalanced lately. Lawrence and Brown are now playing together, as we thought they might be from day one, but it's way too late for that. And Carter's hands are a thing of beauty, just like PC Drouin's...
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 25, 2017 10:17:19 GMT
Think the point is Bobness shouldn't he be a lot higher than 7th on the team.. Well, that's maybe the point about overhype, isn't it? Carter has a fairly modest CV, let's be honest, coming off a reasonably decent season in France, but no great pro seasons before that. Compare him, statistically and experience-wise, to Nikiforuk, either Carter has done very well to be within 6 points of Nikiforuk for the season (given Nikiforuk's much more comprehensive CV, including good scoring seasons in Denmark, Italy and Switzerland) or Nikiforuk should maybe have had a whole lot more points than he has. I'd have put good money on Nikiforuk scoring at least half as many points again as Jeff Brown (another unheralded signing, but he has overachieved spectacularly for me) at the start of the season, before a puck was dropped. Being honest, I expected a lot more from Nikiforuk, points wise, but I'm not sure that's his fault. (I'm clearly in the minority here though, as seemingly Nikiforuk is immune from any criticism on these hallowed pages.) I'm more and more coming round to the view that we have some decent players, just that they are (in general) coached and/or motivated poorly. The Corey Neilson Random Forward Line Generator has been hugely in play for most of this season, and chemistry has been sorely lacking. What chemistry there has been (Brown/Carter the most obvious example, but Lawrence/Farmer/McGratton is another) has been split up, and there are, somewhat ironically, issues at present with the fact that we have to rest at least 1 import forward for every game, which means at least one line is disrupted game on game, at a crucial time of the year. We currently have all the "grit" on one line (Farmer/Brown/McGratton), a lightweight (albeit quite fast and busy) kid line, with Clarke and Moran (both of whom have the defensive conscience of Gary Lineker) on another line. The lines look horribly unbalanced lately. Lawrence and Brown are now playing together, as we thought they might be from day one, but it's way too late for that. And Carter's hands are a thing of beauty, just like PC Drouin's... Pretty much agree with your last 2 posts. People keep saying this team is crap. Well as a team it is. However it is not lacking in quality. Balance, yes. motivation, yes. Discipline, yes. These players are capable. A team with no quality doesn't go to Cardiff and win 8-0. That's not just luck. You wouldn't see the bottom dwellers get an 8-0 win there because they lack quality. And Carter. Totally agree. He has some of the best hands in the league. This year and seasons before. I see why people dislike him. For whatever reaoson it cleary hasn't worked out. However it doesn't mean he is crap. His artitude maybe. Said it before. Don't understand the love in with Nikiforuk. And more importantly the polar opposite views on him and Carter. Clearly people like a tryer. Someone that puts a shift in with always get respect. The simple fact is he just doesn't contribute enough. Yeah I loved it when he dropped Noble but he doesn't bring that edge enough either. And his points production is poor too. He is a player that needs to be upgraded for a goal scorer. Said to a friend a few weeks back i'd be intrigued to see this team under a different coach. With the few obvious tweaks(preferably not Nottingham next season 😆). I dont think this team in a setup just like Cardiff would have finished 30 points off the league winners.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 25, 2017 11:19:07 GMT
Carter in another less physical league with the right players around him would undoubtedly be pretty special but the fact is this year with us he has been absolutely ineffectual.
I was outside last night when Carter walked into to arena and I have never heard a Panthers player take so much verbal abuse. Quite surreal for a regular Panthers player.
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Post by bobness on Mar 25, 2017 12:16:31 GMT
I was outside last night when Carter walked into to arena and I have never heard a Panthers player take so much verbal abuse. Quite surreal for a regular Panthers player. That's pretty tragic, I'd say. I can't help feeling Carter has been made the focus of the frustration of a fair few fans, which is a shame for him. I'm not sure it's all entirely his fault...
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 25, 2017 12:21:29 GMT
I was outside last night when Carter walked into to arena and I have never heard a Panthers player take so much verbal abuse. Quite surreal for a regular Panthers player. That's pretty tragic, I'd say. I can't help feeling Carter has been made the focus of the frustration of a fair few fans, which is a shame for him. I'm not sure it's all entirely his fault... I'm not either as he is a fish out of water at the moment pretty much like a certain player was without Ling when he came back.
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Post by dill1015 on Mar 25, 2017 12:29:45 GMT
That's pretty tragic, I'd say. I can't help feeling Carter has been made the focus of the frustration of a fair few fans, which is a shame for him. I'm not sure it's all entirely his fault... I'm not either as he is a fish out of water at the moment pretty much like a certain player was without Ling when he came back. This is why i get so frustrated when everyone bangs on about us 'needing a goalscorer' no we need play makers. We badly lack creativity in our passing this year. Its why one of the players im always having a go at is Brad Moran. He is suppose to be the guy to make things happen and get you out of tight spots but he just doesnt. And i bet he cost us loads of money.
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Post by bobness on Mar 25, 2017 15:13:29 GMT
What Panthers have missed most this year, for my money, is a "franchise" forward. I agree, we have the goal scorers, we seemingly just don't have that spark that can unlock a tight game, or make something happen when you're least expecting it. Someone like Jordan Fox, Matt Francis or David Ling. Schultz is the nearest we have, and he's been injured too much. No-one else comes close. At even strength, Jeff Brown has outscored Brad Moran this season, and that's not something the Panthers should be happy with. You need all the pieces. Cardiff have 2 import forwards (Culligan and Brine) who have scored together only as much as Matt Carter has on his own this year. But they play a role, the team have settled lines, and they all have a League winners' ring now.
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Post by pens on Mar 28, 2017 17:13:59 GMT
What Panthers have missed most this year, for my money, is a "franchise" forward. I agree, we have the goal scorers, we seemingly just don't have that spark that can unlock a tight game, or make something happen when you're least expecting it. Someone like Jordan Fox, Matt Francis or David Ling. Schultz is the nearest we have, and he's been injured too much. No-one else comes close. At even strength, Jeff Brown has outscored Brad Moran this season, and that's not something the Panthers should be happy with. You need all the pieces. Cardiff have 2 import forwards (Culligan and Brine) who have scored together only as much as Matt Carter has on his own this year. But they play a role, the team have settled lines, and they all have a League winners' ring now. Jason Williams? Hasn't been fit and signed late so only played a handful of games but still...
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Post by wgray on Mar 28, 2017 17:28:29 GMT
What Panthers have missed most this year, for my money, is a "franchise" forward. I agree, we have the goal scorers, we seemingly just don't have that spark that can unlock a tight game, or make something happen when you're least expecting it. Someone like Jordan Fox, Matt Francis or David Ling. Schultz is the nearest we have, and he's been injured too much. No-one else comes close. At even strength, Jeff Brown has outscored Brad Moran this season, and that's not something the Panthers should be happy with. You need all the pieces. Cardiff have 2 import forwards (Culligan and Brine) who have scored together only as much as Matt Carter has on his own this year. But they play a role, the team have settled lines, and they all have a League winners' ring now. Jason Williams? Hasn't been fit and signed late so only played a handful of games but still... [ if Williams could stay fit he would be a franchise player and probably the best player in the league, BUT, the chances of him not being injured during the season are extremely low, we shouldn't be signing any players who have any history of injuries because, as we have seen, it doesn't end well for us
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Post by pens on Mar 29, 2017 1:09:47 GMT
Jason Williams? Hasn't been fit and signed late so only played a handful of games but still... [ if Williams could stay fit he would be a franchise player and probably the best player in the league, BUT, the chances of him not being injured during the season are extremely low, we shouldn't be signing any players who have any history of injuries because, as we have seen, it doesn't end well for us He could be a huge difference maker in playoffs imo. Agree re-signing him would be a mistake, the last players you want to be injury prone are top end, well paid players.
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