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Post by dusseldorf on Jun 6, 2016 22:21:17 GMT
WOW - so much negativity. Corey is the coach and his main role now is to recruit the team to win the league who we can afford. Nothing difficult in this really - just a roulette game - some you win some you loose Mosey,Francis come to mind. Winning the league would be great but winning 2 cups is not a bad consolation.
lets go Corey, Strachs and Moran Lets go Panthers
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Post by dgardner on Jun 6, 2016 22:54:53 GMT
In theory, Carter will be on a line with Brown & Lawrence and that line will be very effective if you look at the bigger picture. All 3 can play more than one role, all 3 can put up points and score goals, and all 3 can play a physical game. They all know each other and have either played with each other in the past or grown up together meaning the chemistry should be on fire before they even step foot on their planes to the UK. Carter is friends with Schultz as well, which may bring a bit of 'tinkering' from Corey but Carter is described as the 'new' Bohmbach, and he could be the one to get those around him performing well. You really do not need NHL/AHL/DEL/SHL/Liiga/KHL experience to be a 'top player', nothing infuriates me more than people dismissing these signings before they've even seen them play.. Well, never mind play, more like click the cross on their EliteProspects page. There's even been a couple of players, straight out of college who Caps have signed who i wouldn't mind watching in Black & Gold. Just a few examples* for the more blunt minded of folk Justun Faryna - Stats in the ECHL very similar to Carters, Carters college stats a lot better despite Faryna having played in one of the worse college leagues. Faryna posted 64pts in 59 games for Dundee, something very few people saw coming when bluntely looking at his stats and assuming he'd be nothing more than a goon. Trevor Gerling - NCAA stats are pretty good for their 1st division, ECHL stats not bad either. Very unproven signing when coming to the league, 60pts in 59 games. Curtis Leinweber - Very average stats in the NCAA but kept his spot on the roster. Took to playing in a senior league upon graduating, signed by Caps shortly after where he spent another season afterwards and then last season in Dundee.. he has totalled 162pts in 147 EIHL games. Gui Doucet - Good stats in juniors, good stats in his senior years at University and below average in France. Carter has better stats in University and France. Doucet has 165pts in 148 EIHL games to date. Carl Lauzon - Very good stats in France, but little experience in proven leagues prior. Carter's stats in France aren't as good but he wouldn't be far off. 183pts in 171 EIHL games to date. Grant Toulmin - Poor stats in his freshman year at University, picked it up and excelled towards graduation. Stats a tad worse than Carters. 53pts in 61 EIHL games. Shayne Stockton - Decent points in his career with Holy Cross University in the NCAA, and comparible stats for France. 51pts in 58 EIHL games. They're just a few of the players, from this season just gone and non are any less than 35th in the top scorers for the season. Carter deserves a chance, Brown deserves a chance. A lot of chemistry and a lot of good reports from fans as well as coaches/teammates. Dismissing the signings at this stage is nothing but incredible stupidity. How many of the players you've mentioned won the league last season? pretty sure ling didnt win any championships before he came to us?
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Post by andyh91 on Jun 7, 2016 2:06:28 GMT
just taking a look at you guys thoughts on the new guy n found this lil clip for you, just a couple of his goals, nice hands, could be a surprise signing imo
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Post by deke on Jun 7, 2016 6:25:49 GMT
Whilst his cv isn't the best doucet had worse and how did he do? No its not the big signing like we expected but we still have space and time. It does get worrying when you see who the other teams have brought in, but Corey seems to have a plan. Carter lawrence and brown will have the chemistry from the word go they can all play in more than one position so we can mix it up too. A little faith and time is needed, don't get me wrong I'm still concerned over our team at the moment. I think we are missing another out and out goal scorer and some playmaking and our defence needs work. But who is to say the players Corey will bring in won't be ex nhl with bags of talent?
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Post by BigLad on Jun 7, 2016 8:39:58 GMT
There's still three import defence men to sign, and as the saying goes defence wins championships. Should be at least one forward left too no? (Mosey's replacement).
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Post by Rob Scott on Jun 7, 2016 8:48:38 GMT
So if it's 1 more import forward and 3 import D we look potentially 1 forward shy. A British Centre would be good (Such a shame that Myers has left). Either Matthew or Ben Davies would be good.
Without a British Centre coming in the lines would look a bit unbalanced to me with some square pegs in round holes.
If we could find a 1st Line Import left wing and a British Centre we could line up something like this.....
IMPORT MORAN SCHULTZ
CARTER LAWRENCE BROWN
LACHO DAVIES CLARKE
FARMER McMILLAN JANSSEN
BETTERIDGE
IMPORT DIMMEN
IMPORT WAUGH
IMPORT LEE
OAKFORD
WIIKMAN
BACK UP
That would give you people playing in their normal positions. You could look at swapping the 3rd and 4th line Centres in you needed a bit more size on the Lacho, Clarke line.
Having Betteridge and Oakford as 13th and 7th would give you the in game depth and an element of injury cover.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2016 8:57:56 GMT
Initially unsure on Carter, I've since looked into him in more detail. I think he ll fair pretty well and should be good for 25 goals at least . I can see him going under the radar here and could BE THE player who stands out come seasons end.
I have a feeling we've signed Ben Davies too Simms keeps hinting that we could been after him too.
Be nice if that last player is a player the quality of the Brett Sterling !
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Post by dill1015 on Jun 7, 2016 9:58:02 GMT
So if it's 1 more import forward and 3 import D we look potentially 1 forward shy. A British Centre would be good (Such a shame that Myers has left). Either Matthew or Ben Davies would be good. Without a British Centre coming in the lines would look a bit unbalanced to me with some square pegs in round holes. If we could find a 1st Line Import left wing and a British Centre we could line up something like this..... IMPORT MORAN SCHULTZCARTER LAWRENCE BROWNLACHO DAVIES CLARKE FARMER McMILLAN JANSSENBETTERIDGE IMPORT DIMMEN
IMPORT WAUGH
IMPORT LEE OAKFORD WIIKMANBACK UP That would give you people playing in their normal positions. You could look at swapping the 3rd and 4th line Centres in you needed a bit more size on the Lacho, Clarke line. Having Betteridge and Oakford as 13th and 7th would give you the in game depth and an element of injury cover. This is about pretty much what i had in mind. Get a transition guy (quick would be fine) to pair with Lee and let him get back to being a very good stay at home guy and then 2 stay at home d men for the others and i think we're in business.
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Post by allingtonskates on Jun 7, 2016 15:19:12 GMT
but he would have agreed to play a role he isn't the best at and told core that so Corey would sign a goal scorer. Then the coach should have realized he couldn't play the role & changed it. yeah exactly
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Post by jd on Mar 13, 2017 22:47:56 GMT
Just read this thread, interesting reading considering the season is nearly over!
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Post by ted logan on Mar 13, 2017 23:06:20 GMT
Has he arrived yet?
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Post by iginla on Mar 13, 2017 23:56:20 GMT
Oooooh i enjoyed re reading that thread ! 😉 Lol
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Post by iginla on Mar 13, 2017 23:57:38 GMT
Initially unsure on Carter, I've since looked into him in more detail. I think he ll fair pretty well and should be good for 25 goals at least . I can see him going under the radar here and could BE THE player who stands out come seasons end. I have a feeling we've signed Ben Davies too Simms keeps hinting that we could been after him too. Be nice if that last player is a player the quality of the Brett Sterling ! Oh Pidge ! Hahaha😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 3:59:29 GMT
Tbh he has the talent but a utter abysmal attitude . Regarding ability I wasn't far off. And I told him that too
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Mar 14, 2017 7:38:10 GMT
Funny seeing those comments about making a line with Lawrence and Brown. They've all been mates for 15+ years, playing together as they grew up, reuniting for the first time as a trio professionally.
I don't think they've shared a line together all season? Still, Corey knows what he's doing.
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Post by DJP on Mar 16, 2017 16:03:48 GMT
I do believe 16/17/18 (Brown, Carter, Lawrence) was the same number combination that the Hanson brothers wore in Slapshot. Which line would we rather have had this year?
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Post by shinobi on Mar 16, 2017 19:22:05 GMT
I do believe 16/17/18 (Brown, Carter, Lawrence) was the same number combination that the Hanson brothers wore in Slapshot. Which line would we rather have had this year? The Hansons' line, definitely.
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Post by bobness on Mar 16, 2017 20:20:40 GMT
I don't think they've shared a line together all season? Still, Corey knows what he's doing. If those 3 haven't skated together all year, they must be the only combination of 3 forwards from 12 or 13 we haven't tried... Well, the results are in. In terms of if they've been together when a goal has been scored/conceded... If anyone remembers the first goal we scored at Fife on 11 September 2016, those 3 were all there. After that, the only ENG at Belfast, 20 January 2017. Other than that, no.
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Post by ted logan on Mar 16, 2017 20:32:07 GMT
I don't think they've shared a line together all season? Still, Corey knows what he's doing. If those 3 haven't skated together all year, they must be the only combination of 3 forwards from 12 or 13 we haven't tried... Well, the results are in. In terms of if they've been together when a goal has been scored/conceded... If anyone remembers the first goal we scored at Fife on 11 September 2016, those 3 were all there. After that, the only ENG at Belfast, 20 January 2017. Other than that, no. Amazing coaching from CN and not in a good way. Fair play Bobness, top work on figuring that one out.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Mar 16, 2017 21:55:12 GMT
I don't think they've shared a line together all season? Still, Corey knows what he's doing. If those 3 haven't skated together all year, they must be the only combination of 3 forwards from 12 or 13 we haven't tried... Well, the results are in. In terms of if they've been together when a goal has been scored/conceded... If anyone remembers the first goal we scored at Fife on 11 September 2016, those 3 were all there. After that, the only ENG at Belfast, 20 January 2017. Other than that, no. Great research. If I was Neil Black I'd be furious. He's footing the bill for 3 best mates who 2/3 haven't shown up for a good 80% of this season, and he has a 'coach' who can't see the potential line chemistry of playing them together. I suppose this is the same coach last year who had Schultz/Bohmbach as two great mates and shared accommodation, started racking up the points together and then split them up. Same with Moran/Kolnik, they hit a wavelength and Moran could pick up where Koko would be... after October, never seen together again.
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Post by bobness on Mar 17, 2017 9:03:49 GMT
It all comes off putting the hard yards in watching videos and doing the +/- stats. Put them in a spreadsheet, apply some filters and you can tell all sorts. The world needs geeks... :-)
Brown and Carter have played together for much of the year, until (you guessed it) Corey split them up early February, in which time both have gone off the boil, Brown especially. (He was +16 up to then, -6 since...) Before then, Carter had 22 +s for the season, on 17 of which Brown also got a +. Since then Carter and Lawrence have played together, with Carter having 7 +s in that time, with Lawrence getting a + also on 6 of those.
McGrattan doesn't get a + on any of Carter's 29 + goals, Schultz only 1, Moran only 2. Carter/McGrattan/Schultz is probably thus the only line Corey hasn't tried...
When you see the stats the way I've got them set out, you really start to see that Panthers have had nothing like settled lines all year.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Mar 17, 2017 17:59:58 GMT
It all comes off putting the hard yards in watching videos and doing the +/- stats. Put them in a spreadsheet, apply some filters and you can tell all sorts. The world needs geeks... :-) Brown and Carter have played together for much of the year, until (you guessed it) Corey split them up early February, in which time both have gone off the boil, Brown especially. (He was +16 up to then, -6 since...) Before then, Carter had 22 +s for the season, on 17 of which Brown also got a +. Since then Carter and Lawrence have played together, with Carter having 7 +s in that time, with Lawrence getting a + also on 6 of those. McGrattan doesn't get a + on any of Carter's 29 + goals, Schultz only 1, Moran only 2. Carter/McGrattan/Schultz is probably thus the only line Corey hasn't tried... When you see the stats the way I've got them set out, you really start to see that Panthers have had nothing like settled lines all year. I can't honestly think of a settled line since Ling-Graham-Benedict a whole 4 years ago. Every time players strike up a chemistry and start producing, the days of that line are numbered. I don't know if it's that obvious to everyone else, but to me it seems a logical step to producing a league challenge to have players consistently happy and settled?
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Post by sevcik on Mar 24, 2017 17:19:56 GMT
Stats arent everything but when when one of our so called top imports..... please no laughing.... is 79th in scoring then the question needs to be asked why is he still here.....? Cardiff Sheffield belfast even Coventry would have got rid of him before even the end of October. The answer is Lawrence wanted him here and Neilson agreed to it because he was desperate to have big 18 in the team. Carter was immune from he axe for that very reason. Neilson wont do anything to upset our so called main forward....who I appreciate has been injured but is only just inside the top 50 in scoring himself If those two are back next season it will be just a repeat of this one.... a team that will struggle to score 3 goals in any one game Still the local pubs and bars will make a healthy profit once more..... Attachments:
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Post by bobness on Mar 25, 2017 8:17:27 GMT
As our 7th highest scoring forward, he's on a par with both Devils and Steelers 7th highest scoring forwards. A brief scouting report from where I sit. His hands and close stick handling are as good as I've seen in a long while (since PC Drouin?) and a wrist shot to go with it. Not overly physical, though, and not the world's best skater. Has he "disappointed"? That depends on expectation. I'd have liked to see him in bigger situations more often, although the Carter/Betteridge/Brown line both scored good points and was Panthers most defensively responsible between November and and January. Brown and Carter were top of the +/- charts in that time. Quite why Corey split them up I'll never know, but both have plummeted since. (From +10/+7 to -4/-3) He was clearly playing more minutes in France for the last 2 seasons probably in all situations, whereas he hasn't so much this season, with the team playing 4 line hockey. In flashes, he's brilliant. Could he play like that all season, given a better crack? I'd guess opinion on here may say no, but we may never know.
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Post by texpef on Mar 25, 2017 8:29:37 GMT
Think the point is Bobness shouldn't he be a lot higher than 7th on the team..
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