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Post by panthers4ever on Jun 6, 2016 17:13:54 GMT
Wait and see for me
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 6, 2016 17:25:59 GMT
He was signed weeks ago and we still have one forward to sign. I think he could be a pleasant surprise
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 17:50:26 GMT
Seems to have been very popular in France looking at some Tweets this evening. Looks a decent signing for me and it's worth remembering it's not about finding the best players, it's about finding the right ones.
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Post by Bagheera on Jun 6, 2016 17:52:28 GMT
His overall stats say he is a wait and see signing however his numbers in France are pretty good. Quite happy to give this apparent new philosophy a chance to prove its worth. For me it is clear we are looking to sign a team, not a group of talented individuals, but a team prepared to go out and fight to the end for each other. As also mentioned we look big and we are going to play heavy, grinding teams down. I am still really hoping we have 1 more top end forward to come in. We just need somebody with more class to add balance to the forward lines. Dare I say it, maybe Corey is attempting more of a Leicester City teamship mentality?
Whilst a lot of CVs don't stand out I am quite excited to see how a different style works out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 18:01:19 GMT
Rather amusing that nearly all have gone from pointing & laughing at Chris Lawrence to now having to watch a complete line with Chris Lawrence & his mates.
I guess the foot's on the other hand now, isn't it, Kramer?
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Post by allingtonskates on Jun 6, 2016 18:51:35 GMT
Rather amusing that nearly all have gone from pointing & laughing at Chris Lawrence to now having to watch a complete line with Chris Lawrence & his mates. I guess the foot's on the other hand now, isn't it, Kramer? the difference is that he played a different role this year, the role he fits best. I wouldn't take him back if he would be like the first season but that's not because he is a bad player it's just he doesn't suit the role.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 19:08:03 GMT
Rather amusing that nearly all have gone from pointing & laughing at Chris Lawrence to now having to watch a complete line with Chris Lawrence & his mates. I guess the foot's on the other hand now, isn't it, Kramer? the difference is that he played a different role this year, the role he fits best. I wouldn't take him back if he would be like the first season but that's not because he is a bad player it's just he doesn't suit the role. In which case you should blame the coach, not the player.
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Post by dp on Jun 6, 2016 19:12:37 GMT
Can't be bothered making the obvious points about the level he's played at yet again. But I would say yet again that there's a reason that the league winners over the last 5-10 years have been the big boys who sign players with DEL, AHL and NHL experience rather than Fife and Edinburgh who tend to sign players who have played mainly in leagues like the CIS. Yes you'll unearth the odd gem, but history very clearly demonstrates that the league winners are the ones who trust the judgement of the North American scouting system to have generally found the best players.
And regardless of putting a positive spin on this signing there are two other comments I'd make - firstly, I'm not a big fan of signing a load of mates of an existing player, particularly a player who it seems enjoys a "lively lifestyle".
And mostly....yes this chap may turn out to be amazing but WHERE IS ALL OUR MONEY GOING??? Yes he may turn out to be good, but he's not expensive (or at least, shouldn't be).
Whichever way you look at it, on paper (which, regardless of the "wait and see" brigade, that's all we've got to go on at the moment), we look weaker, and much cheaper, than our team which finished 5th last season. Sheffield on the other hand seem to be attempting to address weaknesses in a team which won the league last season....
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Post by texpef on Jun 6, 2016 19:20:29 GMT
EXACTLY the points i wanted to make dp...where is all the money going because if they have spent it on the squad signed then they have overspent... IF they havent then why are they saving the money?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 19:29:06 GMT
There's still three import defence men to sign, and as the saying goes defence wins championships.
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Post by panthers_nyr on Jun 6, 2016 19:41:49 GMT
I know Iginla is not everyone's cup of tea but that's a strange comment and even stranger coming from a Mod. It seems to me that this forum is moving towards a place where negative comments and views are not welcome and the posters making them are ridiculed and shouted down. Based on what evidence..? I'd say 90% of the posts on here are negative so not sure how you can say that tbh. I think the issue is that certain posters take over every single thread with the same posts, and it winds people up. This. It's boring and quote annoying to read the same post fro mine same multiple posters in every single thread. That's the reason 'negative' or doubting posts get criticised now because it's always the same thing..
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Post by allingtonskates on Jun 6, 2016 19:52:10 GMT
the difference is that he played a different role this year, the role he fits best. I wouldn't take him back if he would be like the first season but that's not because he is a bad player it's just he doesn't suit the role. In which case you should blame the coach, not the player. but he would have agreed to play a role he isn't the best at and told core that so Corey would sign a goal scorer.
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Post by Ghost on Jun 6, 2016 19:53:06 GMT
There's still three import defence men to sign, and as the saying goes defence wins championships. Exactly, spend big on the D!
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Post by PantherB on Jun 6, 2016 19:58:30 GMT
In theory, Carter will be on a line with Brown & Lawrence and that line will be very effective if you look at the bigger picture. All 3 can play more than one role, all 3 can put up points and score goals, and all 3 can play a physical game. They all know each other and have either played with each other in the past or grown up together meaning the chemistry should be on fire before they even step foot on their planes to the UK. Carter is friends with Schultz as well, which may bring a bit of 'tinkering' from Corey but Carter is described as the 'new' Bohmbach, and he could be the one to get those around him performing well.
You really do not need NHL/AHL/DEL/SHL/Liiga/KHL experience to be a 'top player', nothing infuriates me more than people dismissing these signings before they've even seen them play.. Well, never mind play, more like click the cross on their EliteProspects page. There's even been a couple of players, straight out of college who Caps have signed who i wouldn't mind watching in Black & Gold.
Just a few examples* for the more blunt minded of folk
Justun Faryna - Stats in the ECHL very similar to Carters, Carters college stats a lot better despite Faryna having played in one of the worse college leagues. Faryna posted 64pts in 59 games for Dundee, something very few people saw coming when bluntely looking at his stats and assuming he'd be nothing more than a goon.
Trevor Gerling - NCAA stats are pretty good for their 1st division, ECHL stats not bad either. Very unproven signing when coming to the league, 60pts in 59 games.
Curtis Leinweber - Very average stats in the NCAA but kept his spot on the roster. Took to playing in a senior league upon graduating, signed by Caps shortly after where he spent another season afterwards and then last season in Dundee.. he has totalled 162pts in 147 EIHL games.
Gui Doucet - Good stats in juniors, good stats in his senior years at University and below average in France. Carter has better stats in University and France. Doucet has 165pts in 148 EIHL games to date.
Carl Lauzon - Very good stats in France, but little experience in proven leagues prior. Carter's stats in France aren't as good but he wouldn't be far off. 183pts in 171 EIHL games to date.
Grant Toulmin - Poor stats in his freshman year at University, picked it up and excelled towards graduation. Stats a tad worse than Carters. 53pts in 61 EIHL games.
Shayne Stockton - Decent points in his career with Holy Cross University in the NCAA, and comparible stats for France. 51pts in 58 EIHL games.
They're just a few of the players, from this season just gone and non are any less than 35th in the top scorers for the season. Carter deserves a chance, Brown deserves a chance. A lot of chemistry and a lot of good reports from fans as well as coaches/teammates. Dismissing the signings at this stage is nothing but incredible stupidity.
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Post by dp on Jun 6, 2016 20:13:12 GMT
In theory, Carter will be on a line with Brown & Lawrence and that line will be very effective if you look at the bigger picture. All 3 can play more than one role, all 3 can put up points and score goals, and all 3 can play a physical game. They all know each other and have either played with each other in the past or grown up together meaning the chemistry should be on fire before they even step foot on their planes to the UK. Carter is friends with Schultz as well, which may bring a bit of 'tinkering' from Corey but Carter is described as the 'new' Bohmbach, and he could be the one to get those around him performing well. You really do not need NHL/AHL/DEL/SHL/Liiga/KHL experience to be a 'top player', nothing infuriates me more than people dismissing these signings before they've even seen them play.. Well, never mind play, more like click the cross on their EliteProspects page. There's even been a couple of players, straight out of college who Caps have signed who i wouldn't mind watching in Black & Gold. Just a few examples* for the more blunt minded of folk Justun Faryna - Stats in the ECHL very similar to Carters, Carters college stats a lot better despite Faryna having played in one of the worse college leagues. Faryna posted 64pts in 59 games for Dundee, something very few people saw coming when bluntely looking at his stats and assuming he'd be nothing more than a goon. Trevor Gerling - NCAA stats are pretty good for their 1st division, ECHL stats not bad either. Very unproven signing when coming to the league, 60pts in 59 games. Curtis Leinweber - Very average stats in the NCAA but kept his spot on the roster. Took to playing in a senior league upon graduating, signed by Caps shortly after where he spent another season afterwards and then last season in Dundee.. he has totalled 162pts in 147 EIHL games. Gui Doucet - Good stats in juniors, good stats in his senior years at University and below average in France. Carter has better stats in University and France. Doucet has 165pts in 148 EIHL games to date. Carl Lauzon - Very good stats in France, but little experience in proven leagues prior. Carter's stats in France aren't as good but he wouldn't be far off. 183pts in 171 EIHL games to date. Grant Toulmin - Poor stats in his freshman year at University, picked it up and excelled towards graduation. Stats a tad worse than Carters. 53pts in 61 EIHL games. Shayne Stockton - Decent points in his career with Holy Cross University in the NCAA, and comparible stats for France. 51pts in 58 EIHL games. They're just a few of the players, from this season just gone and non are any less than 35th in the top scorers for the season. Carter deserves a chance, Brown deserves a chance. A lot of chemistry and a lot of good reports from fans as well as coaches/teammates. Dismissing the signings at this stage is nothing but incredible stupidity. How many of the players you've mentioned won the league last season?
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Post by PantherB on Jun 6, 2016 20:15:29 GMT
In theory, Carter will be on a line with Brown & Lawrence and that line will be very effective if you look at the bigger picture. All 3 can play more than one role, all 3 can put up points and score goals, and all 3 can play a physical game. They all know each other and have either played with each other in the past or grown up together meaning the chemistry should be on fire before they even step foot on their planes to the UK. Carter is friends with Schultz as well, which may bring a bit of 'tinkering' from Corey but Carter is described as the 'new' Bohmbach, and he could be the one to get those around him performing well. You really do not need NHL/AHL/DEL/SHL/Liiga/KHL experience to be a 'top player', nothing infuriates me more than people dismissing these signings before they've even seen them play.. Well, never mind play, more like click the cross on their EliteProspects page. There's even been a couple of players, straight out of college who Caps have signed who i wouldn't mind watching in Black & Gold. Just a few examples* for the more blunt minded of folk Justun Faryna - Stats in the ECHL very similar to Carters, Carters college stats a lot better despite Faryna having played in one of the worse college leagues. Faryna posted 64pts in 59 games for Dundee, something very few people saw coming when bluntely looking at his stats and assuming he'd be nothing more than a goon. Trevor Gerling - NCAA stats are pretty good for their 1st division, ECHL stats not bad either. Very unproven signing when coming to the league, 60pts in 59 games. Curtis Leinweber - Very average stats in the NCAA but kept his spot on the roster. Took to playing in a senior league upon graduating, signed by Caps shortly after where he spent another season afterwards and then last season in Dundee.. he has totalled 162pts in 147 EIHL games. Gui Doucet - Good stats in juniors, good stats in his senior years at University and below average in France. Carter has better stats in University and France. Doucet has 165pts in 148 EIHL games to date. Carl Lauzon - Very good stats in France, but little experience in proven leagues prior. Carter's stats in France aren't as good but he wouldn't be far off. 183pts in 171 EIHL games to date. Grant Toulmin - Poor stats in his freshman year at University, picked it up and excelled towards graduation. Stats a tad worse than Carters. 53pts in 61 EIHL games. Shayne Stockton - Decent points in his career with Holy Cross University in the NCAA, and comparible stats for France. 51pts in 58 EIHL games. They're just a few of the players, from this season just gone and non are any less than 35th in the top scorers for the season. Carter deserves a chance, Brown deserves a chance. A lot of chemistry and a lot of good reports from fans as well as coaches/teammates. Dismissing the signings at this stage is nothing but incredible stupidity. How many of the players you've mentioned won the league last season? How many could help a team win the league? All of them. Doucet and Lauzon were the only ones with a chance, Cardiff just choked. You can't say those guy's aren't good enough just because they didn't win the league.. It's possibly the most ridiculous suggestion i've ever glanced my eyes upon.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 20:16:38 GMT
In which case you should blame the coach, not the player. but he would have agreed to play a role he isn't the best at and told core that so Corey would sign a goal scorer. Then the coach should have realized he couldn't play the role & changed it.
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Post by Ghost on Jun 6, 2016 20:18:49 GMT
In theory, Carter will be on a line with Brown & Lawrence and that line will be very effective if you look at the bigger picture. All 3 can play more than one role, all 3 can put up points and score goals, and all 3 can play a physical game. They all know each other and have either played with each other in the past or grown up together meaning the chemistry should be on fire before they even step foot on their planes to the UK. Carter is friends with Schultz as well, which may bring a bit of 'tinkering' from Corey but Carter is described as the 'new' Bohmbach, and he could be the one to get those around him performing well. You really do not need NHL/AHL/DEL/SHL/Liiga/KHL experience to be a 'top player', nothing infuriates me more than people dismissing these signings before they've even seen them play.. Well, never mind play, more like click the cross on their EliteProspects page. There's even been a couple of players, straight out of college who Caps have signed who i wouldn't mind watching in Black & Gold. Just a few examples* for the more blunt minded of folk Justun Faryna - Stats in the ECHL very similar to Carters, Carters college stats a lot better despite Faryna having played in one of the worse college leagues. Faryna posted 64pts in 59 games for Dundee, something very few people saw coming when bluntely looking at his stats and assuming he'd be nothing more than a goon. Trevor Gerling - NCAA stats are pretty good for their 1st division, ECHL stats not bad either. Very unproven signing when coming to the league, 60pts in 59 games. Curtis Leinweber - Very average stats in the NCAA but kept his spot on the roster. Took to playing in a senior league upon graduating, signed by Caps shortly after where he spent another season afterwards and then last season in Dundee.. he has totalled 162pts in 147 EIHL games. Gui Doucet - Good stats in juniors, good stats in his senior years at University and below average in France. Carter has better stats in University and France. Doucet has 165pts in 148 EIHL games to date. Carl Lauzon - Very good stats in France, but little experience in proven leagues prior. Carter's stats in France aren't as good but he wouldn't be far off. 183pts in 171 EIHL games to date. Grant Toulmin - Poor stats in his freshman year at University, picked it up and excelled towards graduation. Stats a tad worse than Carters. 53pts in 61 EIHL games. Shayne Stockton - Decent points in his career with Holy Cross University in the NCAA, and comparible stats for France. 51pts in 58 EIHL games. They're just a few of the players, from this season just gone and non are any less than 35th in the top scorers for the season. Carter deserves a chance, Brown deserves a chance. A lot of chemistry and a lot of good reports from fans as well as coaches/teammates. Dismissing the signings at this stage is nothing but incredible stupidity. How many of the players you've mentioned won the league last season? Do you think about your post before you post it?
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Post by dp on Jun 6, 2016 20:30:06 GMT
How many of the players you've mentioned won the league last season? Do you think about your post before you post it? Welcome to the Cage 2016 - where if someone has a different opinion, rather than debating it like a grown up (you know, which is kinda what chat forums are for), people just resort to childish insults. You're just completely ignoring the post. Yes you unearth gems occasionally - I don't think anybody is debating that. But generally the better players are the ones who have played at a high level. That's why they've played at a high level. If the best players were consistently getting missed by NHL scouts and they could just sign a load of players from the CIS and French leagues and win the Stanley Cup, don't you think they would?? The teams that win the league in the UK are CONSISTENTLY the ones who spend big on players with high quality resumes. This is why Fife and Edinburgh don't win the league. In response to the list of players, I'd ask if you'd swap any of them for long term AHL and multi-game NHLer David Ling.
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Post by dill1015 on Jun 6, 2016 20:32:18 GMT
There's still three import defence men to sign, and as the saying goes defence wins championships. Exactly, spend big on the D! 100% agree. Defense wins Championships. If we sign 3 studs on the d then i think we'll be fine. Would still like to see a really quality playmaking forward aswell. Then i think we'll be great.
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Post by dp on Jun 6, 2016 20:34:02 GMT
Exactly, spend big on the D! 100% agree. Defense wins Championships. If we sign 3 studs on the d then i think we'll be fine. Would still like to see a really quality playmaking forward aswell. Then i think we'll be great. And I definitely agree with this - if we sign 3 studs on D we could still have a very decent team. The point is, why not spend big on forwards AND D??
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Post by dill1015 on Jun 6, 2016 20:38:34 GMT
100% agree. Defense wins Championships. If we sign 3 studs on the d then i think we'll be fine. Would still like to see a really quality playmaking forward aswell. Then i think we'll be great. And I definitely agree with this - if we sign 3 studs on D we could still have a very decent team. The point is, why not spend big on forwards AND D?? I think a lot of people are underestimating some of our forwards. We dont have a cheap squad. 1 more playmaker and our forward lines will look balanced.
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Post by iginla on Jun 6, 2016 20:59:06 GMT
In theory, Carter will be on a line with Brown & Lawrence and that line will be very effective if you look at the bigger picture. All 3 can play more than one role, all 3 can put up points and score goals, and all 3 can play a physical game. They all know each other and have either played with each other in the past or grown up together meaning the chemistry should be on fire before they even step foot on their planes to the UK. Carter is friends with Schultz as well, which may bring a bit of 'tinkering' from Corey but Carter is described as the 'new' Bohmbach, and he could be the one to get those around him performing well. You really do not need NHL/AHL/DEL/SHL/Liiga/KHL experience to be a 'top player', nothing infuriates me more than people dismissing these signings before they've even seen them play.. Well, never mind play, more like click the cross on their EliteProspects page. There's even been a couple of players, straight out of college who Caps have signed who i wouldn't mind watching in Black & Gold. Just a few examples* for the more blunt minded of folk Justun Faryna - Stats in the ECHL very similar to Carters, Carters college stats a lot better despite Faryna having played in one of the worse college leagues. Faryna posted 64pts in 59 games for Dundee, something very few people saw coming when bluntely looking at his stats and assuming he'd be nothing more than a goon. Trevor Gerling - NCAA stats are pretty good for their 1st division, ECHL stats not bad either. Very unproven signing when coming to the league, 60pts in 59 games. Curtis Leinweber - Very average stats in the NCAA but kept his spot on the roster. Took to playing in a senior league upon graduating, signed by Caps shortly after where he spent another season afterwards and then last season in Dundee.. he has totalled 162pts in 147 EIHL games. Gui Doucet - Good stats in juniors, good stats in his senior years at University and below average in France. Carter has better stats in University and France. Doucet has 165pts in 148 EIHL games to date. Carl Lauzon - Very good stats in France, but little experience in proven leagues prior. Carter's stats in France aren't as good but he wouldn't be far off. 183pts in 171 EIHL games to date. Grant Toulmin - Poor stats in his freshman year at University, picked it up and excelled towards graduation. Stats a tad worse than Carters. 53pts in 61 EIHL games. Shayne Stockton - Decent points in his career with Holy Cross University in the NCAA, and comparible stats for France. 51pts in 58 EIHL games. They're just a few of the players, from this season just gone and non are any less than 35th in the top scorers for the season. Carter deserves a chance, Brown deserves a chance. A lot of chemistry and a lot of good reports from fans as well as coaches/teammates. Dismissing the signings at this stage is nothing but incredible stupidity. Some decent points from those players but you have to remember these are average guys playing on poor teams. All of them,with the exception of Doucet will have logged a load of minutes for his team and that makes a difference to scoring of points,because you can't score if you are sitting on a bench. Put that same player in a roster of the big five and they wouldn't get anywhere near as many points. I will give you an example in a different context.....Brad Cruikshank,remember him ? At Basingstoke on a poor team,he put up pretty big numbers. Went to Sheffield where his ice time was reduced and his points dried up,then he went to Coventry and the same thing happened. You don't have to be NHL,AHL,DEL to be a top player no,but it generally says you're good quality if you have played there. The problem is though,teams don't win the EIHL without at least three or four of those quality players on the team,they are the difference makers. Which team has ever won the EIHL without some of that quality ? I don't believe anyone ever has done it. Take Ling out of our grand slam team or Kolnik out of last years team,would we have won what we did.....I don't think so !
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Post by Ghost on Jun 6, 2016 20:59:10 GMT
Do you think about your post before you post it? Welcome to the Cage 2016 - where if someone has a different opinion, rather than debating it like a grown up (you know, which is kinda what chat forums are for), people just resort to childish insults. You're just completely ignoring the post. Yes you unearth gems occasionally - I don't think anybody is debating that. But generally the better players are the ones who have played at a high level. That's why they've played at a high level. If the best players were consistently getting missed by NHL scouts and they could just sign a load of players from the CIS and French leagues and win the Stanley Cup, don't you think they would?? The teams that win the league in the UK are CONSISTENTLY the ones who spend big on players with high quality resumes. This is why Fife and Edinburgh don't win the league. In response to the list of players, I'd ask if you'd swap any of them for long term AHL and multi-game NHLer David Ling. David Ling didn't win the league last year either. Are you saying then that you'd only take players from Sheffield? Would you not have Doucet back as he's not won the Elite League?
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Post by iginla on Jun 6, 2016 21:13:02 GMT
There's still three import defence men to sign, and as the saying goes defence wins championships. I've cracked Corey's master plan.....goals,who needs goals ! Chris Lawrence has three other mates who all happen to be quality NHL Dmen and we are going to win every game 1-0.
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