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Post by shmyrohdear on May 15, 2016 20:20:40 GMT
But, Mosey was clutch.
Good luck to him though, hope he makes a name for himself. If not he'll be welcomed back here like a hero.
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Post by Bagheera on May 15, 2016 20:22:48 GMT
Just look at the reality of the situation for a second. Again it's all ifs buts and maybes but if we see Kolnik & Clarke return, then replace Myers & Mosey with a 1st line centre and 1st line winger both capable of points production I would argue the forward unit as a whole has been upgraded on last year. Mosey won't be easy to replace like for like but there will be players capable of contributing at a high level. They may contribute differently but they may add more to the team overall. He will be a loss but let's see who we sign first before we call it a disaster.
Of course I would rather have Matt instead of Lacho but it was Matt's choice to go. Top Brit or not it was out of Panthers control. Unless they were going to get him a private helicopter to fly up to Nottingham every day. Then maybe he'd have stayed.
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Post by Bagheera on May 15, 2016 20:25:52 GMT
Well it's clear Brown has gone towards replacing Myers then.. Mosey was quality for us but like all imports is replaceable. Not the end of the world like most of you are carrying on like BTW... mosey has gone to Rockford... Paul Thompson was in Rockford 2 weeks ago..... SABOTAGE!!! Dirty scoundrel.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 20:45:07 GMT
I've written an article for TCW saying that Evan Mosey moving to the AHL is a massive positive for Nottingham Panthers and the league as a whole. I also speak to his very proud father Graham. Link below wp.me/P6zbpB-kG
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Post by Mark on May 15, 2016 20:49:53 GMT
The only positive I see in Mosey moving to the AHL is it might mean better players see the EIHL as a viable stepping stone in their careers.
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Post by iginla on May 15, 2016 20:53:15 GMT
Not impressed at all. We bring three quarters of a fifth placed team back,minus all the best bits.......it's most skilled guy,it's best Brit and its star utility man. Better be some bloody good signings coming up ! What would you have Panthers do in this situation then? What could they have done to keep Mosey and Myers? There's not a lot they can do if the guy wants to go. What I'm saying is that to improve on 5th place we have to upgrade and that means..... Replace Myers with a quality import,because losing Myers loses us our extra import in effect this season,so,that new guy basically has to be two guys. We have to find a quality guy to replace Bohmbach. Find a quality guy to replace Mosey. And we have to get a serious real quality guy to replace Kolnik. And that's just to stand still. So to improve,we have to find some real real quality,average is not acceptable !
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Post by pantherdman on May 15, 2016 20:54:56 GMT
Just offer Myers more money and a driver. Or poach another top Brit, I don't care if they are already contracted, they can break it. Or scrap the import limit.
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Post by Yotes on May 15, 2016 21:27:51 GMT
I've never been as big a fan of Myers as the majority, but losing him does leave us looking short in the Brit department. Interesting that Neilson is now going to entrust to a guy who hardly got a look in at the back end of last season.
Mosey is a big loss, but I always like to see players moving from the EIHL to better leagues. Best of luck to him in the AHL, hope he sticks like Lepine.
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Post by PantherB on May 15, 2016 23:50:21 GMT
What would you have Panthers do in this situation then? What could they have done to keep Mosey and Myers? There's not a lot they can do if the guy wants to go. What I'm saying is that to improve on 5th place we have to upgrade and that means..... Replace Myers with a quality import,because losing Myers loses us our extra import in effect this season,so,that new guy basically has to be two guys. We have to find a quality guy to replace Bohmbach. Find a quality guy to replace Mosey. And we have to get a serious real quality guy to replace Kolnik. And that's just to stand still. So to improve,we have to find some real real quality,average is not acceptable ! Yor expectations are incredibly high! Using 5th Place to back up the points isn't exactly justifiable either, we won 2 trophies with the side and we'd have only needed 4 or 5 better results over the entire season and we'd be sat here with 3 trophies. It's not like we were bang average, nothing of interest and we had a poor year. This roster has been better than the last 2 combined and we finished in higher positions in those seasons. Your assumtions on players i assume are based off of paper stats? Not exactly easy to summaries an opinion or have a clear idea what you're getting just looking at stats but some of the best players the league has had recently have sub-standard stats. Mosey's stats before here were garbage. Turned out to be a gem. Justin Faryna's stats were very average, got 64pts in 59 games and he was Dundee's tough guy. Trevor Girling's stats were poor to say the least, 60pts in 59 games with a dire Edinburgh team. Gui Doucet and Jake Morissette before the EIHL, very average-below average stats.. Doucet has 165pts in 148 games, Morissette has 162pts in 177 games. They're just a small few of players you could chose from. Jeff Brown's stats are similar to all these guys' and i don't see any reason why he can't become a important player for us, he can and will score a good amount of goals and he's got the grittiness and work ethic of Myers.
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Post by ryan2939 on May 16, 2016 0:24:41 GMT
With Mosey going, I think it provides less pressure on Corey, and our two most recent signings in Lawrence and Brown especially the former. Before this news, my thinking was Lawrence was going to be playing a role in which he'd be the guy to put up some points this year, however now I think he'll play a role similar to last season. Losing Mosey (albeit, a massive blow.) could actually turn into a blessing in disguise. I feel Neilson knew about this a fair while ago - and maybe why we initially signed him up early - and in essence wrapped the Brown signing up quickly too as it appeared he was a guy in demand. However, the feeling all around seemed to be we won't have enough goals in this side and I think having that extra slot regained means that we can sign both that Playmaker and a sniper in which we'll be able to strengthen, and I think that when the roster is complete, we'll actually be stronger than taking one of the 'new' signings out and adding Mosey. Not taking anything away from the guy, but now there's room for balance and the Brown and Lawrence signings appear to be a bit more logical.
Not wanting to take anything away from Mosey, he's been cracking for us and would love to see him back, but fair play on going for the AHL contract, I mean, who wouldn't, especially if it means getting a shot at the show! My general feeling overall though is he's not actually good enough and I think the closest he'll get is a few pre-season games at best. My prediction is, he'll last half the year in the AHL, remain in North America for the rest of the season, and we'll see him back over here in 17/18.
Myers is also a big blow, but I didn't see this decision coming. I personally wouldn't be all that surprised if he retires in general. If he were to stay in Cardiff for the season just gone, I think he would carry on, but if it is true where Cardiff didn't want him back, I think it would be an odd move for him to sign him again, but there's been way more stranger things to happen in hockey, especially in this league. He's going to be harder to replace than Mosey will to be honest.
As much as the PR is trying to sucker the blow, I'm glad that it has confirmed Dimmen and Betteridge. I suppose it just puts to bed the 'are they/are they not' rumours and rubbish for the summer and that is that. Dimmen was one of my favourite players last season and Betteridge never looked out of place one bit when he was given the opportunity, so definitely isn't any harm in giving him a regular shift next season. No Myers, but top quality brits are hard to find, and if it means having to develop him to get one in years to come. Then so be it. Just think it adds more pressure on Lachowicz to put some numbers up this season. Be interesting to see how they both get on and compare numbers come the end of the season. Obviously depends on how exactly they're used and who they're partnered up with.
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Post by Ghost on May 16, 2016 7:49:38 GMT
Kind of expecting some big signing news now, the Dimmen and Betteridge 'news' doesn't realise appease the news of Mosey and Myers not returning. When I think of last pre season they announced Boxill leaving and almost immediately announced Myers return, are they not going to bother this year?
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Post by jd on May 16, 2016 8:21:30 GMT
After this news, we must get DC back
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Post by dill1015 on May 16, 2016 9:30:11 GMT
After this news, we must get DC back We'll be in a bad place without a paddle if we dont.
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Post by Yotes on May 16, 2016 9:41:07 GMT
Using 5th Place to back up the points isn't exactly justifiable either, we won 2 trophies with the side and we'd have only needed 4 or 5 better results over the entire season and we'd be sat here with 3 trophies. You could equally say had Coventry & Cardiff had just 1 more good result each, we'd be sat here with nothing. They didn't, and we didn't get those 4 or 5 good results. There's also nothing at all to say that next year will follow the same path as this, maybe we need 10 more wins on this year's total to finish top? I try and remain wait and see at this stage of the off season, but I'm a bit concerned that the policy seems to be to bring back all of last year's team, rather than the best bits and look for the improvements we needed in the bits around them. We'll see what happens next though.
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Post by Mozzy on May 16, 2016 10:03:44 GMT
Using 5th Place to back up the points isn't exactly justifiable either, we won 2 trophies with the side and we'd have only needed 4 or 5 better results over the entire season and we'd be sat here with 3 trophies. You could equally say had Coventry & Cardiff had just 1 more good result each, we'd be sat here with nothing. They didn't, and we didn't get those 4 or 5 good results. There's also nothing at all to say that next year will follow the same path as this, maybe we need 10 more wins on this year's total to finish top? I try and remain wait and see at this stage of the off season, but I'm a bit concerned that the policy seems to be to bring back all of last year's team, rather than the best bits and look for the improvements we needed in the bits around them. We'll see what happens next though. Sometimes I think it's easy to say, we only needed 4 or 5 better results. Don't all teams say that at the end of the year? If we had a better record against Coventry we'd have wrapped the league up before the final weekend and that was with some poor goal tending throughout the season. If we'd had great goal tending, if we'd beaten Coventry more times, if if if. As you say, you might need 10 more wins next year to win the league, nobody knows. Losing Myers is the big body blow, Mosey is replaceable, Myers is not. I'm sure Corey will find something from somewhere, he usually does.
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Post by Gilly on May 16, 2016 10:29:53 GMT
Gutted to lose both
As has already been said, i reckon Brown will have been bought in to fill Myers void.
and as much of a miss Mosey will be, and good luck to the lad, i can only feel like its a blessing in disguise as im now hoping for 2 genuine point scorers as we have yet to replace Bohmbach and Kolnik's points yet (assuming he isn't returning)
If we fail to sign 2 point scorers for the final 2 import forwards I really cannot see where our goals will come from except Schultz
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Post by cjmatt42 on May 16, 2016 12:01:14 GMT
When you compare us and Steelers both seem to be going down the route of keeping the bulk of last years roster. At full strength there was very little between them and I felt we were the stronger of the two. Now we see Steelers retaining the core of that group and upgrading while we seem to be retaining the lesser elements of that squad and losing the key elements. While we have a lot of our roster still to recruit we look to be a significant way behind on paper.
Lets be honest Pinc had to be the worst Netminder to ever win the Elite League who has been significantly improved to Mustakovs (assuming he returns at a similar level to his last visit). The liability that was Hewitt replaced by Phillips to free up further forwards spaces for imports while adding someone of Schultz's CV to play on the third line for a retiring and less and less influential Legue.
Meanwhile the key elements to the squad that finished the season for me Quick, Kolnik and Mosey are either gone or going whilst we also lost our best Brit yesterday. We are going to need some pretty decent signings to even stand still on last years roster let alone improve it. If you want to keep a core from last year surely the route Sheffield are going of keeping the key elements and improving the poor is the way to go rather than keeping the average?!
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Post by jd on May 16, 2016 12:28:29 GMT
When you compare us and Steelers both seem to be going down the route of keeping the bulk of last years roster. At full strength there was very little between them and I felt we were the stronger of the two. Now we see Steelers retaining the core of that group and upgrading while we seem to be retaining the lesser elements of that squad and losing the key elements. While we have a lot of our roster still to recruit we look to be a significant way behind on paper. Lets be honest Pinc had to be the worst Netminder to ever win the Elite League who has been significantly improved to Mustakovs (assuming he returns at a similar level to his last visit). The liability that was Hewitt replaced by Phillips to free up further forwards spaces for imports while adding someone of Schultz's CV to play on the third line for a retiring and less and less influential Legue. Meanwhile the key elements to the squad that finished the season for me Quick, Kolnik and Mosey are either gone or going whilst we also lost our best Brit yesterday. We are going to need some pretty decent signings to even stand still on last years roster let alone improve it. If you want to keep a core from last year surely the route Sheffield are going of keeping the key elements and improving the poor is the way to go rather than keeping the average?! If Schultz is on the 3rd line then we are all in trouble as the other 2 lines will be the best we've seen. Surely he will be top 1 or 2 but not 3
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Post by PantherB on May 16, 2016 12:36:58 GMT
It's May 16th. 116 Days or so until the season gets underway. We've got a good core at our disposal, we need to focus on securing Clarke or his replacement and Oakford. Playoffs are coming to a close in North America so give it another 4 or 5 weeks and we should be starting to see a few bigger signings/replacements. We have to find the right guys and the right guys aren't always the ones with very good stats.
For all we know, Mosey might be on a rolling week-to-week contract, he might not even make it into the opening night roster for Rockford yet. I really hope he does but he's said we will be top of his list should things not work out. Bohmbach the same, though with his job away from the ice.
I'm happy with how the roster is shaping up, there's a lot of chemistry there and Brown only adds to that. I've got faith in Corey to find the right guys, and i'm 99% sure we'll have a solid roster put together by the start of August. Signing a player isn't as easy as.. 'He's got good stats, we're getting him'.
As for Steelers, they have got more resources to use, they've got the CHL attraction again, they've got Thompson and Anderson who know Scandanavia well and Thompson has his links in Rockford, AHL & ECHL. Not that we don't have our links but i'd very much doubt we have anything as solid as what Steelers have, but that doesn't bother me. It's about finding the right players, not the best ones.
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Post by Mozzy on May 16, 2016 12:38:24 GMT
When you compare us and Steelers both seem to be going down the route of keeping the bulk of last years roster. At full strength there was very little between them and I felt we were the stronger of the two. Now we see Steelers retaining the core of that group and upgrading while we seem to be retaining the lesser elements of that squad and losing the key elements. While we have a lot of our roster still to recruit we look to be a significant way behind on paper. Lets be honest Pinc had to be the worst Netminder to ever win the Elite League who has been significantly improved to Mustakovs (assuming he returns at a similar level to his last visit). The liability that was Hewitt replaced by Phillips to free up further forwards spaces for imports while adding someone of Schultz's CV to play on the third line for a retiring and less and less influential Legue. Meanwhile the key elements to the squad that finished the season for me Quick, Kolnik and Mosey are either gone or going whilst we also lost our best Brit yesterday. We are going to need some pretty decent signings to even stand still on last years roster let alone improve it. If you want to keep a core from last year surely the route Sheffield are going of keeping the key elements and improving the poor is the way to go rather than keeping the average?! If Schultz is on the 3rd line then we are all in trouble as the other 2 lines will be the best we've seen. Surely he will be top 1 or 2 but not 3 We still have 2 import forwards to sign. We are still looking for a top line centre to partner Roy and Fretter. Dowd and Nelson will play together again on the 2nd line so the other forward will be for that line. That leaves a likely third line of Desbien\Mosienko\Schultz. A fourth line of Phillips\Nilsson\Ferrara with the 2 kids Shudra\Kirk to fill in as required. Looks OK to me but you and others still have plenty to sign.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 12:47:27 GMT
The more I think about the Myers situation the more swizzled off I'm getting. He was comfortably our best Brit last season & will be a huge loss.
The fact we've lost him for what are imo pretty pathetic reasons doesn't help. Man up Myers, I recall a quote from the past of 'A happy wife is a happy life'. Grow a set Myers, who's wearing the trousers?! Women & family ruining all the fun for me again. I missed the play off final because someone was obsessed with some random hussy.
Yes, I'm single by the way. Not looking.
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Post by mattscold on May 16, 2016 12:52:41 GMT
The more I think about the Myers situation the more swizzled off I'm getting. He was comfortably our best Brit last season & will be a huge loss. The fact we've lost him for what are imo pretty pathetic reasons doesn't help. Man up Myers, I recall a quote from the past of 'A happy wife is a happy life'. Grow a set Myers, who's wearing the trousers?! Women & family ruining all the fun for me again. I missed the play off final because someone was obsessed with some random hussy. Yes, I'm single by the way. Not looking. .... and incredibly, contrary to all the evidence you aren't 16 years old
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 13:27:04 GMT
I'm definitely 42.
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Post by iginla on May 16, 2016 14:10:55 GMT
If Schultz is on the 3rd line then we are all in trouble as the other 2 lines will be the best we've seen. Surely he will be top 1 or 2 but not 3 We still have 2 import forwards to sign. We are still looking for a top line centre to partner Roy and Fretter. Dowd and Nelson will play together again on the 2nd line so the other forward will be for that line. That leaves a likely third line of Desbien\Mosienko\Schultz. A fourth line of Phillips\Nilsson\Ferrara with the 2 kids Shudra\Kirk to fill in as required. Looks OK to me but you and others still have plenty to sign. Just look at that third line at Steelers.....Desbiens/Mosienko/Schultz. If that's their third line,then Neilson had better get looking at three NHLers.....and bloody good ones !!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2016 14:28:44 GMT
We still have 2 import forwards to sign. We are still looking for a top line centre to partner Roy and Fretter. Dowd and Nelson will play together again on the 2nd line so the other forward will be for that line. That leaves a likely third line of Desbien\Mosienko\Schultz. A fourth line of Phillips\Nilsson\Ferrara with the 2 kids Shudra\Kirk to fill in as required. Looks OK to me but you and others still have plenty to sign. Just look at that third line at Steelers.....Desbiens/Mosienko/Schultz. If that's their third line,then Neilson had better get looking at three NHLers.....and bloody good ones !!!! You're living in a dream world iggy. Schultz will be on their 2nd line anyway I'd imagine. These 2 import forwards just need to contribute 60 goals that will do me. I think we ll sign to offensive d men to 1 hopefully Kevin Quick
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