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Post by PantherG on Apr 27, 2016 19:20:46 GMT
When fit he was the best nettie in the league (IMO) last season. Question, would anyone take Madalora as an import back-up with a Brit as a regular back-up? I'd be seriously tempted to go with him as full time back up/2nd goalie(No Brit on the bench). Said before, the ability to be able to pull a goalie off having a bad game knowing you've still got quality means you can make that decision before the game is gone. All depends on the brit setup next season. I'd use my extra import slot to do this. Happy with the balance of the team at the end of last season. Of course an import replacement for Lacho or any other Brit could be used instead(personally Ollie would do that anyway).I understand the view that many would view it as a wasted slot on match nights to the point of not being sure it's the right idea myself, but I'd like to see us give it a go to start with. I expect to start next season with 13 outward imports, anything less will be an utter disgrace.
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Post by PantherG on Apr 27, 2016 19:25:18 GMT
That said I know it's only a pipe dream with Corey already hinting that we won't be starting the season with a full compliment of imports!! Where was this hinted? If we start the season imports down then it sends a message we have no interest in the league. The shambles of playing an import down, often more with injuries certainly cost us the league.
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Post by texpef on Apr 27, 2016 19:34:44 GMT
That said I know it's only a pipe dream with Corey already hinting that we won't be starting the season with a full compliment of imports!! Where was this hinted? If we start the season imports down then it sends a message we have no interest in the league. The shambles of playing an import down, often more with injuries certainly cost us the league. I was lead to believe that this was to used as a way to assess the teams stengths and weaknesses and then sign an appropriate import(s) to cover these, however imho what actually happened was it was used as a way to save money, which continued throughout the season when injury cover was also needed. I would hope this situation does not happen again but we are talking about the business Nottingham Panthers ice hockey ltd...
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Post by PantherB on Apr 27, 2016 19:35:04 GMT
The only thing Corey hinted was that he might not use the additional EU slot we're entitled to. His exact words were along the lines of he's in 'No rush' to fill that spot. Fair enough, we retain all brits and there's no need for an additional import unless it's a spare.
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Post by cjmatt42 on Apr 27, 2016 20:17:51 GMT
The only thing Corey hinted was that he might not use the additional EU slot we're entitled to. His exact words were along the lines of he's in 'No rush' to fill that spot. Fair enough, we retain all brits and there's no need for an additional import unless it's a spare. Given that 2 of the imports signed on the dotted line are already EU passport holders and if we resigned Kolnik or Waugh we'd have 3 EU passport holders already so that slot we are talking about an import full stop. The skating depth of the squad was strong when fit last year so why not carry the 14th import player as a massive upgrade in the back up Netminding?
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Post by PantherB on Apr 27, 2016 20:25:40 GMT
The only thing Corey hinted was that he might not use the additional EU slot we're entitled to. His exact words were along the lines of he's in 'No rush' to fill that spot. Fair enough, we retain all brits and there's no need for an additional import unless it's a spare. Given that 2 of the imports signed on the dotted line are already EU passport holders and if we resigned Kolnik or Waugh we'd have 3 EU passport holders already so that slot we are talking about an import full stop. The skating depth of the squad was strong when fit last year so why not carry the 14th import player as a massive upgrade in the back up Netminding? If you can find an import netminder who'd be happy to write on a clipboard for the most part of the season then i'd give you a million quid. Wiikman won't want to share ice time, perhaps sit the final 10-15 minutes every so often but you bring in another goalie, there'll be tension and it could upset the locker room. Stick with Green, he's more capable than many suggest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 20:37:30 GMT
Given that 2 of the imports signed on the dotted line are already EU passport holders and if we resigned Kolnik or Waugh we'd have 3 EU passport holders already so that slot we are talking about an import full stop. The skating depth of the squad was strong when fit last year so why not carry the 14th import player as a massive upgrade in the back up Netminding? If you can find an import netminder who'd be happy to write on a clipboard for the most part of the season then i'd give you a million quid. Wiikman won't want to share ice time, perhaps sit the final 10-15 minutes every so often but you bring in another goalie, there'll be tension and it could upset the locker room. Stick with Green, he's more capable than many suggest. This. The idea of a quality import netminder willing to be a back up is pretty ridiculous. You may get a young euro to do it but they'll only be marginally better than Green. Wiikman is a great signing, if he shows any sign of injury next season then we must get a replacement on the roster far quicker thank this season.
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Post by cjmatt42 on Apr 27, 2016 20:44:33 GMT
Granted you probably won't get two top quality netminders but it depends on how you use your resources. University degrees are a big pull for older experienced players looking for a life after hockey. Find someone along the lines of Pinc / Koenig that were available mid season maybe looking to scale back starts, want the education and would offer some competition / genuine back up. Surely having someone like that massively would improve the squad. It's about finding the right person but I'm sure there will be people out there that still want the thrill of the game, the locker room but also the education.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 20:46:22 GMT
I'd much rather have more import D men that a second nettie. If Wiikman does get an injury then get a replacement sharpish.
Import D men are hugely important.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Apr 28, 2016 8:08:40 GMT
Interesting looking at Eliteprospects page for Mika - someone correct me if I'm wrong - 43 games for us equalled his previous highest games in one season (including any seasons he switched clubs and juniors).
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Post by pantherdman on Apr 29, 2016 5:23:00 GMT
Great if he stays fit, we need to start next season as we finished this, with the same ratio of defenders and forwards and same tactics. If we are solid at the back he is capable of back stopping us to the title.
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Post by pantherdman on Apr 29, 2016 5:24:03 GMT
Also, yes 2 import netminders! I've been saying it almost as long as I've demanded a rule book
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 12:18:30 GMT
Some of you guys seriously believe we will be able to get a good enough quality import netminder for the season who is prepared to be a back up in case Mikka goes down?!
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Post by fishman on Apr 29, 2016 12:23:34 GMT
A lot of Euro Team have 2 or more keepers and spilt the games, would be pushing the envelope as they say.
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Post by kgw on Apr 29, 2016 12:26:04 GMT
Some of you guys seriously believe we will be able to get a good enough quality import netminder for the season who is prepared to be a back up in case Mikka goes down?! If he was good enough, the back-up would also get plenty of action. Maybe not a 50/50 split, but certainly a percentage, as it is in most leagues.
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Post by fishman on Apr 29, 2016 14:33:28 GMT
Dan Green is good enough to take over in a match situation but not like lsat season, I just don't think Wiikman will get through a full season without some sort of problem,
Someone on NHL network channel this week saying "you build a team from the back and that starts with the goalies"
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Post by Peacock on Apr 29, 2016 14:54:13 GMT
A lot of Euro Team have 2 or more keepers and spilt the games, would be pushing the envelope as they say. A lot of Euro teams have massive wage budgets compare to the EIHL...
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Post by PantherB on Apr 29, 2016 15:11:22 GMT
You look at other teams in the league (not saying we should only do as they do) But very rarely do they have more than 1 import goalie on their roster. It's only if injury occurs does it happen, Wiikman & Madalora, Pinc & Plante, Holt & Fulerton. Plante wasn't keen on sticking around and fighting for the number 1 spot, Holt took over upon his return from injury, and Madalora barely saw any ice time once Miika was 100% healthy. Having 2 import goalies from start to finish would be ideal but i don't think we need to, we certainly wouldn't be able to keep 2 starting quality netminders on the roster anyway. We have to abide by the rules set before last season in regards to goalies playing in 75% of games they've dressed for (Unsure if that includes Playoffs). That makes things even more difficult unless they're British. Looking in the Finnish Metsis, there's 2 goalies who've played more than the 75% requirement and only just, both played 1 game more than minimum. Both are too good for the Elite League at the moment. You drop down a division into the Suomi-Sarja and there's 6 goalies who meet the requirements. On paper, this guy was one of the best and he holds a British Passport and was born here; www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=40650 To me, the quality of that guy is probably the absolute best we'd be able to get in terms of a import back up for the whole season, unless they're either very old or here just for the experience and travels and likely to retire after. I'm happy to stick with Green untill he hangs them up and then, attempt to bring in a young Brit as back up. Worked well for Steelers with Day, Blaze's Renny Marr isn't too shabby either.
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Post by calv on Apr 29, 2016 15:44:42 GMT
The 75% rule only applies for getting a work permit. EU netminders can be signed regardless
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Post by PantherB on Apr 29, 2016 15:47:08 GMT
The 75% rule only applies for getting a work permit. EU netminders can be signed regardless If that's true then that'll make things a lot easier. Not that i don't believe you, just the league don't like to share their exact rules!
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Post by calv on Apr 29, 2016 15:50:08 GMT
The 75% rule only applies for getting a work permit. EU netminders can be signed regardless If that's true then that'll make things a lot easier. Not that i don't believe you, just the league don't like to share their exact rules! It's a rule put in place by the home office, there's more information here: www.icehockeyuk.co.uk/work-permits/
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 17:27:17 GMT
We don't need two import golaies. We do need to react far quicker if Wiikman gets injured. & looks like being out for a number of games.
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Post by shinobi on Apr 29, 2016 17:33:14 GMT
Very happy with the re-signing of Wiikman & I'm in full agreement regarding other posters' views on a better back up goalie. I don't dislike Green but if there's someone better...
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 29, 2016 19:41:54 GMT
Some of you guys seriously believe we will be able to get a good enough quality import netminder for the season who is prepared to be a back up in case Mikka goes down?! I wouldn't be suprised to see it happen. In most places goalies are used to fighting for places. They start as number 1 but if they dip and someone comes in and does a good job they know they have to wait their turn & vise versa. It is nothing like the norm here and I'm sure other minor leagues are similar but there will be goalies out there prepared to do it. Complete guess work on my part, but I got the impression Madalora would be happy to be back next year and have a similar role to this past season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 20:15:25 GMT
Some of you guys seriously believe we will be able to get a good enough quality import netminder for the season who is prepared to be a back up in case Mikka goes down?! I wouldn't be suprised to see it happen. In most places goalies are used to fighting for places. They start as number 1 but if they dip and someone comes in and does a good job they know they have to wait their turn & vise versa. It is nothing like the norm here and I'm sure other minor leagues are similar but there will be goalies out there prepared to do it. Complete guess work on my part, but I got the impression Madalora would be happy to be back next year and have a similar role to this past season. Genuinely interesting. Obviously I completely disagree & think it would be a big step & potentially fascinating statement for a team in the EIHL to do this. Budget wise it's an unrealistic proposition & a pretty silly move. But.... The only thing that makes sense over such a venture is the sheer amount of games that are played in our league compared to some similar repped Euro leagues. From that point of view it does make perfect sense. Still can't see it happening though.
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