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Post by panthers_nyr on Jun 3, 2016 23:06:11 GMT
I'm not even a big fan of Neilson but just lets see what our final roster is like and how they perform before we start writing off the team..
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 3, 2016 23:12:16 GMT
I'm not even a big fan of Neilson but just lets see what our final roster is like and how they perform before we start writing off the team.. You must have never been here in June or July before...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 23:24:13 GMT
I'm looking at Steelers forward lines...and they still have 2 centres to sign.....
I see us at least 60-65 goals short of them as things stand... that is bloody worrying. We need to have our last forward be a current top 6 AHL forward I reckon and our last 3 d men to be studs !
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Post by dill1015 on Jun 4, 2016 0:30:15 GMT
I'm looking at Steelers forward lines...and they still have 2 centres to sign..... I see us at least 60-65 goals short of them as things stand... that is bloody worrying. We need to have our last forward be a current top 6 AHL forward I reckon and our last 3 d men to be studs ! I agree we look short as it stands. Our shpping list should be: 1 top line sniper 1 top line play making winger 2 very steady d men one being left handed. 1 left handed transition dman. Im concered we're not going to get this. 4 out of our last 5 import need to be very good if we want to com0ete with steelers who look like they are setting the pace. Im in worried mode now.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jun 4, 2016 5:51:21 GMT
Horrific post for several obvious reasons.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 4, 2016 8:07:04 GMT
Horrific post for several obvious reasons. I know it's a horrific post but it's just boring to read the same thing on every thread. To be fair at this point the team does look to be a little out of balance and it looks possible (reading between the lines etc) that we could be going in an import down. As always we need to wait and see but I hope to be surprised but it does look a bit of a worry.
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Post by PantherB on Jun 4, 2016 9:45:47 GMT
Because giving the guys you've signed a chance is better than saying 'If _____ becomes available, one of you is heading out the door'. That'd be a ridiculous way to run a team. Corey gives players a chance, he likes to give Brits a chance and say in late November or December, after the Continental Cup 1st Round, the opportunity is there to add a player to the roster to try and boost the team. Cutting and replacing players all season won't get anyone anywhere but lower in the standings. You need chemistry and cohesion to win trophies and doing that would do the opposite. We know what we're getting with the players we've signed so far so Corey just wants to fill in the gaps left by players who've gone their seperate ways. I guess that's why Sheffield ended up lower in the standings and had no cohesion last season then when they cut Mike Duco after 20 games is it ? Oh no wait......they went on to win the league didn't they ! This is professional sport not some kindergarten friendly game, i don't pay my money to watch my team being nice.Every hockey player in the world knows that getting cut is part n parcel of the hockey world,every single one of them. You have just demonstrated in your post exactly what is wrong with Nottingham Panthers philosophy,they do not do everything they can to win ! Yet you've already shown disappointment in the signing of Brown, and the rough and tough Roster Corey is wanting to build. Mike Duco was an easy one to replace, he was supposed to be a tough guy and didn't bring all that much to the team besides that. He is rumoured to have been an iffy one in the locker room too. Those players are easy to replace, say Moran had a rough patch... You try to replace him mid-season and you'd find it won't be as easy as you think it is. Corey is coach, he has a plan.. He has every right to sign who he wants and how many he wants, if only 13 imports feature in his plans, he'll sign 13 imports, you know this is the most successful coach in the league and in Panthers history yet it's as if you think he's a rookie who knows nothing about the league. Corey loves to play Brits, he has faith in them and if one doesn't perform.. He has that luxury of being able to sign an import and then make the Brit a 13th forward. If it's not broken, don't fix it and as far as i'm concerned we're looking quite good and definitely not as bad as people make out. It's June, handful of players left to sign and again, it's about the right players, not the best players. You really think after a season where his job was hanging by a thread, that he wouldn't do everything and use all the tools available to him? Corey won't want to leave Panthers until his kids are older and he has a bit more freedom to coach elsewhere in the world, where he's had the offers from. If you like your job, you'll do everything to keep it and how do you know that Corey isn't? Because we aren't signing this guy, that guy and every guy in between? Corey has suggested that the budget remaining is fairly limited, which isn't surprising considering all the returnee's and the likeliness they will want a wage increase. We've got a good roster, a bit of toughness, skill and intelligence and it can only grow in potential.
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Post by iginla on Jun 4, 2016 11:58:45 GMT
I guess that's why Sheffield ended up lower in the standings and had no cohesion last season then when they cut Mike Duco after 20 games is it ? Oh no wait......they went on to win the league didn't they ! This is professional sport not some kindergarten friendly game, i don't pay my money to watch my team being nice.Every hockey player in the world knows that getting cut is part n parcel of the hockey world,every single one of them. You have just demonstrated in your post exactly what is wrong with Nottingham Panthers philosophy,they do not do everything they can to win ! Yet you've already shown disappointment in the signing of Brown, and the rough and tough Roster Corey is wanting to build. Mike Duco was an easy one to replace, he was supposed to be a tough guy and didn't bring all that much to the team besides that. He is rumoured to have been an iffy one in the locker room too. Those players are easy to replace, say Moran had a rough patch... You try to replace him mid-season and you'd find it won't be as easy as you think it is. Corey is coach, he has a plan.. He has every right to sign who he wants and how many he wants, if only 13 imports feature in his plans, he'll sign 13 imports, you know this is the most successful coach in the league and in Panthers history yet it's as if you think he's a rookie who knows nothing about the league. Corey loves to play Brits, he has faith in them and if one doesn't perform.. He has that luxury of being able to sign an import and then make the Brit a 13th forward. If it's not broken, don't fix it and as far as i'm concerned we're looking quite good and definitely not as bad as people make out. It's June, handful of players left to sign and again, it's about the right players, not the best players. You really think after a season where his job was hanging by a thread, that he wouldn't do everything and use all the tools available to him? Corey won't want to leave Panthers until his kids are older and he has a bit more freedom to coach elsewhere in the world, where he's had the offers from. If you like your job, you'll do everything to keep it and how do you know that Corey isn't? Because we aren't signing this guy, that guy and every guy in between? Corey has suggested that the budget remaining is fairly limited, which isn't surprising considering all the returnee's and the likeliness they will want a wage increase. We've got a good roster, a bit of toughness, skill and intelligence and it can only grow in potential. By being NICE I mean to players,in letting them keep their cushy job if they aren't cutting it. Do you think the Penguins were being nice when they had a terrible start to the season.....where are they now,yeah in the Stanley cup final ! Sign a full quota from the start and if it works then fine,if it doesn't you cut one or two and you change things. You are living in cuckoo land,yes Corey has a plan I'm sure,but he isn't the most successful coach in the league,his record is terrible,good in the cups and play offs yeah,but in the league bloody awful. This league is so tight now that you can't wait to see what happens and then try to play catch up. Look at last year,we went short and did it work NO it didn't,by the time we reacted the league had gone. Once we took action,signed a full team,look what happened,we WON. To me it beggars belief that you would go short to start with,what happens if you pick up a couple of early injuries and by week three you are down to 11 imports again ? Where you are going......is Groundhog Day again !!!
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Post by deke on Jun 4, 2016 18:10:12 GMT
Whilst I agree we have plenty of time to sign players, the strengthening of our rivals gives me cause for concern. The suggestion that we will sign 3 defenceman and one forward is also concerning. Schultz can bang them in but we need another goal scorer and a playmaker at least.
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Post by dill1015 on Jun 4, 2016 19:09:55 GMT
Whilst I agree we have plenty of time to sign players, the strengthening of our rivals gives me cause for concern. The suggestion that we will sign 3 defenceman and one forward is also concerning. Schultz can bang them in but we need another goal scorer and a playmaker at least. Of the 2 (we should have both but you can see how this is going) i would say we need a playmaker more. We dont have a natural playmaker for me, Moran being the closest. We do have 2 or 3 guys that can shoot.
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Post by deke on Jun 6, 2016 7:08:36 GMT
If Corey is going for a rough physical side strong on the forecheck then I'm very happy. That sort of hockey is exciting and difficult to play against, in this league players will give up the puck a lot more in a high pressure approach that means they have to play the puck very quickly. That leads to give aways and opportunities for our quick players to punish them. only down side is that it's tiring and we could struggle if we have lots of games back to back. Done rightly it can be extremely effective, done poorly it can cost us lots of penalties and game misconducts. That would cost us points. I'm hoping it's done right, the other teams would be terrified of playing us! It also plays to cams strengths which would be great if he gets captain lead by example! Fingers are most definitely crossed!
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Post by Mozzy on Jun 6, 2016 12:15:28 GMT
Somebody tell me. Why would you start an import short to save a slot,when you are able to cut and replace players at will if a better player becomes available later. If you had to stick to what you had originally signed then i could understand the logic,but you don't. Because giving the guys you've signed a chance is better than saying 'If _____ becomes available, one of you is heading out the door'. That'd be a ridiculous way to run a team. Corey gives players a chance, he likes to give Brits a chance and say in late November or December, after the Continental Cup 1st Round, the opportunity is there to add a player to the roster to try and boost the team. Cutting and replacing players all season won't get anyone anywhere but lower in the standings. You need chemistry and cohesion to win trophies and doing that would do the opposite. We know what we're getting with the players we've signed so far so Corey just wants to fill in the gaps left by players who've gone their seperate ways. I'd say there was plenty of chemistry and cohesion in Sheffield last year and we removed Duco from the lineup because he didn't bring what his CV said. You do whatever is necessary to win and if that means removing players from the lineup then so be it. Belfast did nothing but threaten to remove players all year and they won zilch. It's all well and good giving players a chance but they need to perform when they pull on that jersey. If they don't, it's time to say goodbye.
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Post by iginla on Jun 6, 2016 13:58:23 GMT
Wish you were a Panthers fan Mozzy. You can see it,I can see it,but there are some who think we should just hamper ourselves by going imports short and be nice to players.
Can you imagine Sheffield signing short.......no me neither !
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Post by ted logan on Jun 6, 2016 22:08:03 GMT
Because giving the guys you've signed a chance is better than saying 'If _____ becomes available, one of you is heading out the door'. That'd be a ridiculous way to run a team. Corey gives players a chance, he likes to give Brits a chance and say in late November or December, after the Continental Cup 1st Round, the opportunity is there to add a player to the roster to try and boost the team. Cutting and replacing players all season won't get anyone anywhere but lower in the standings. You need chemistry and cohesion to win trophies and doing that would do the opposite. We know what we're getting with the players we've signed so far so Corey just wants to fill in the gaps left by players who've gone their seperate ways. You do whatever is necessary to win Yes! On the ice and off it. We were half way there last season. Lessons need to be learnt from this.
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Post by Shorty on Jun 6, 2016 22:16:21 GMT
Can you imagine Sheffield signing short.......no me neither ! They already did...... Steelers sign Short
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Post by jdizpt8 on Jun 8, 2016 6:29:13 GMT
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Post by iginla on Jun 8, 2016 11:01:37 GMT
Now you're talking,especially the last three. That's the sort of quality resumes we should be looking at,not fannying about looking to see what we can find in the depths of the ECHL or CHL !
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Post by PantherB on Jun 8, 2016 11:14:02 GMT
Now you're talking,especially the last three. That's the sort of quality resumes we should be looking at,not fannying about looking to see what we can find in the depths of the ECHL or CHL ! ECHL'ers are cheaper. If they've never played in Europe, the EIHL is a perfect stepping stone.. Similar quality but with the ease of access to Mainland Europe meaning players are likely to come cheaply to prove themselves. The only way anyone would get any of those suggested would be University deals and as far as I'm aware, we're all out of them (may be wrong). They'd require far too much money than we could afford.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jun 8, 2016 11:38:58 GMT
No reason we shouldn't be able to attract at least some of those listed. Should be plenty left in the budget....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 11:43:20 GMT
Whenever do Panthers sign players mentioned on a fans forum? It's normally some obscure player with less impressive stats !
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Post by iginla on Jun 8, 2016 12:02:21 GMT
Now you're talking,especially the last three. That's the sort of quality resumes we should be looking at,not fannying about looking to see what we can find in the depths of the ECHL or CHL ! ECHL'ers are cheaper. If they've never played in Europe, the EIHL is a perfect stepping stone.. Similar quality but with the ease of access to Mainland Europe meaning players are likely to come cheaply to prove themselves. The only way anyone would get any of those suggested would be University deals and as far as I'm aware, we're all out of them (may be wrong). They'd require far too much money than we could afford. The operative word being "cheap" yes,that's why we sign that sort from the depths. Quality costs money,more than we are prepared to pay,but Sheffield and Belfast seem to attract that sort of quality easily enough. And if we are out of university deals......then we have wasted them,because apart from Moran nobody on this years roster deserves one ! There is at least one left too,because Schmidts two years has now ended.
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Post by fishman on Jun 8, 2016 12:04:32 GMT
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Post by jdizpt8 on Jun 8, 2016 13:10:57 GMT
Now you're talking,especially the last three. That's the sort of quality resumes we should be looking at,not fannying about looking to see what we can find in the depths of the ECHL or CHL ! ECHL'ers are cheaper. If they've never played in Europe, the EIHL is a perfect stepping stone.. Similar quality but with the ease of access to Mainland Europe meaning players are likely to come cheaply to prove themselves. The only way anyone would get any of those suggested would be University deals and as far as I'm aware, we're all out of them (may be wrong). They'd require far too much money than we could afford. just had a quick look at the Erste Bank Liga and every teams stadium capacity bar 1 is less then "THE WORLD FAMOUS nations ice centre" so are all the Austrians playing in the league are on peanuts? The league winners had 19 forwards, 9 d men and 4 goalies and there capacity is 3,600. Either ticket prices are huge, they own the arena so don't have to pay a rental or they're owned by a very generous chap. if the case is the latter maybe he should buy the Panthers.
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Post by PantherB on Jun 8, 2016 14:23:04 GMT
ECHL'ers are cheaper. If they've never played in Europe, the EIHL is a perfect stepping stone.. Similar quality but with the ease of access to Mainland Europe meaning players are likely to come cheaply to prove themselves. The only way anyone would get any of those suggested would be University deals and as far as I'm aware, we're all out of them (may be wrong). They'd require far too much money than we could afford. The operative word being "cheap" yes,that's why we sign that sort from the depths. Quality costs money,more than we are prepared to pay,but Sheffield and Belfast seem to attract that sort of quality easily enough. And if we are out of university deals......then we have wasted them,because apart from Moran nobody on this years roster deserves one ! There is at least one left too,because Schmidts two years has now ended. Proven quality costs money but the quality defencemen are generally old and Panthers more than anyone else knows that any injuries will kill us and the speed of defencemen obviously declines with age. I wouldn't be filled with confidence if we signed a 34-37 year old defenceman out of Austria or elsewhere in Europe. Schmidt is solid but you catch him out and the opposition gets a breakaway, he'd rarely catch them. The league is getting quicker and more skilful so whilst defensive defencemen are useful they need to have speed on their side too. If we with the younger players, the ECHL and AHL is a great start for players progressing from juniors, who didn't get attention from Drafts, quite often you'll get 1st year pro's who do very well in the AHL/ECHL but on paper, coming straight out of juniors or College, they don't look the part. The defenceman Edinburgh just signed, can't remember his name but he'd be a player I'd be very happy to sign and he's straight out of college. Landry was one of those who got spotted and played in the AHL for a bit, he was 23 when with us and he was superb, he came to us due to the fact we've been known to provide a helping hand in getting North Americans into Europe, he moved to France the season just gone which is debatably on a similar level to us, but playing for us got him there. My point is that if we go for younger players, whilst we may just be a stepping stone for them I'm sure we'd end up with defencemen of similar quality or better than Landry and I'd love to see that. Younger guys like to travel too, experience stuff whilst they're in their prime and not have too much family things to worry about, which is another reason the EIHL is a good stepping stone into Europe for them, once they've done their thing after us they might come back but one thing that is set in stone is that others in the ECHL/AHL/NCAA/CIS will look our way if they aren't intent on making the NHL due to the amount of players that could come through the EIHL and find themselves playing elsewhere in better leagues around Europe. Younger players have more riding on their shoulders which in theory will push them to perform at their best if they want a bright future in the game, the younger the better imo. It's the way forward.
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Post by PantherB on Jun 8, 2016 14:24:56 GMT
ECHL'ers are cheaper. If they've never played in Europe, the EIHL is a perfect stepping stone.. Similar quality but with the ease of access to Mainland Europe meaning players are likely to come cheaply to prove themselves. The only way anyone would get any of those suggested would be University deals and as far as I'm aware, we're all out of them (may be wrong). They'd require far too much money than we could afford. just had a quick look at the Erste Bank Liga and every teams stadium capacity bar 1 is less then "THE WORLD FAMOUS nations ice centre" so are all the Austrians playing in the league are on peanuts? The league winners had 19 forwards, 9 d men and 4 goalies and there capacity is 3,600. Either ticket prices are huge, they own the arena so don't have to pay a rental or they're owned by a very generous chap. if the case is the latter maybe he should buy the Panthers. Sponsorship and TV coverage is big over there, aren't as reliant on fans as EIHL teams are but obviously it helps!
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