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Post by iginla on Jun 15, 2016 15:56:28 GMT
I always forget that no one else ever gets any injuries. And you're right, the outcome of 2 games at the end of his first season as a coach certainly proves how "bang average" he is. And he had more excuses last season than Neilson has in 8 years! Other teams do get injuries but not to a no1 goalie and expect them to back up for 4 or 5 games and steal wins!!! Big difference Err Pidge. What happened to Sheffields no1 goalie Tyler Plante last year.......he got injured. The difference was,Sheffield replaced him straight away with Pinc. Then Pinc got injured too and they had to play Brad Day. So they actually had it worse than Panthers did for goalies getting injured !
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Post by Yotes on Jun 15, 2016 16:12:15 GMT
Most of the games dropped were before Mandolora arrived. By my calculation, we lost 10 games after Madolora arrived (6th January, first game 9th Jan), and we lost 20 in total so we pretty much continued at the same pace. And finally Panthers were NOT 5th best last season They were where it matters.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 16:18:20 GMT
You can bring up as many stats as you want. I dont care. Panthers weren't worse than Braehead!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 16:20:58 GMT
And he had more excuses last season than Neilson has in 8 years! Other teams do get injuries but not to a no1 goalie and expect them to back up for 4 or 5 games and steal wins!!! Big difference Err Pidge. What happened to Sheffields no1 goalie Tyler Plante last year.......he got injured. The difference was,Sheffield replaced him straight away with Pinc. Then Pinc got injured too and they had to play Brad Day. So they actually had it worse than Panthers did for goalies getting injured ! So my point stands. Had panthers had been.pro active in replacing injured players like Sheffield we wouldn't had been a 5th place team
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Post by Mozzy on Jun 15, 2016 16:41:17 GMT
Err Pidge. What happened to Sheffields no1 goalie Tyler Plante last year.......he got injured. The difference was,Sheffield replaced him straight away with Pinc. Then Pinc got injured too and they had to play Brad Day. So they actually had it worse than Panthers did for goalies getting injured ! So my point stands. Had panthers had been.pro active in replacing injured players like Sheffield we wouldn't had been a 5th place team But Pinc was rubbish, or so people kept saying. Either way, no team had it more difficult than Steelers with goalies last year, we still found a way to win the league. It's not just about replacing injured players, it's the heart, desire and togetherness in your locker room too. You can sign as many injury replacements as you like if you don't have the heart etc you won't win.
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Post by iginla on Jun 15, 2016 17:22:04 GMT
So my point stands. Had panthers had been.pro active in replacing injured players like Sheffield we wouldn't had been a 5th place team But Pinc was rubbish, or so people kept saying. Either way, no team had it more difficult than Steelers with goalies last year, we still found a way to win the league. It's not just about replacing injured players, it's the heart, desire and togetherness in your locker room too. You can sign as many injury replacements as you like if you don't have the heart etc you won't win. We had the heart,desire and togetherness Mozzy. Or so they kept telling us in every interview and at every opportunity. So that leaves either inferior player quality,crap coaching or bad management as the excuse for 5th place. (Oh sorry I meant 4th Pidge,cos we were better than Braehead !)
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Post by PantherB on Jun 15, 2016 17:30:33 GMT
So my point stands. Had panthers had been.pro active in replacing injured players like Sheffield we wouldn't had been a 5th place team But Pinc was rubbish, or so people kept saying. Either way, no team had it more difficult than Steelers with goalies last year, we still found a way to win the league. It's not just about replacing injured players, it's the heart, desire and togetherness in your locker room too. You can sign as many injury replacements as you like if you don't have the heart etc you won't win. Pinc was a tad iffy from time to time but he did have the ability to win games, which many Steelers fans discredited him of. I wouldn't say Steelers had the toughest time last season in the goaltending department, Pinc arrived within days of the signing and whilst he had a few knocks of his own, Day started a few games and did very well. Day is a solid backup and with the right coaching, perhaps an Elite League starter in the future. Panthers had it tough and it's somewhat their own fault. Madolora cam straight from Italy after forcing a move due to issues with management and being paid.. Came with a lot of weight and troubles on his shoulders. Wiikman was very good until he got injured, and then, like Kowalski arguably did, he probably didn't tell Corey & Poundy the full story when it came to how he was feeling due to injury and as a result, he was started in games where he wasn't fit and then got injured either more or re-aggrevated the original injury, which did cost us games and whether it was Wiikman or Poundall, someone let Wiikman carry on playing at less than probably 80% and when the injury came, it took a a while to get Madolora and Green played 10 games whilst Wiikman rode on the injury for over a month before it got too much. Panthers need to fix up in the physio/medical department because i've lost count of the amount of times players have reportedly been 'healthy' to play, and only go on to aggrevate their injury again, it's unfortunate but it can be avoided. Pinc got Steelers to the title, he had more than his fair share of bad games but in those games, the Steelers defence wasn't exactly solid either and many times, left Pinc out to dry. The reason Steelers won the league is due to a run of good fortune and a bit of consistency whilst Cardiff, Braehead and Panthers all tailed off and crashed into the ground. It was more a case of the title being handed to Steelers than Steelers pulling something amazing out the bag, but.. Credit still has to be given because Steelers didn't crash and burn, just rode the turbulence.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 17:36:51 GMT
So my point stands. Had panthers had been.pro active in replacing injured players like Sheffield we wouldn't had been a 5th place team But Pinc was rubbish, or so people kept saying. Either way, no team had it more difficult than Steelers with goalies last year, we still found a way to win the league. It's not just about replacing injured players, it's the heart, desire and togetherness in your locker room too. You can sign as many injury replacements as you like if you don't have the heart etc you won't win. He was probably the worst goalie in eihl era to win the league without doubt
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Post by iginla on Jun 15, 2016 17:38:42 GMT
But Pinc was rubbish, or so people kept saying. Either way, no team had it more difficult than Steelers with goalies last year, we still found a way to win the league. It's not just about replacing injured players, it's the heart, desire and togetherness in your locker room too. You can sign as many injury replacements as you like if you don't have the heart etc you won't win. Pinc was a tad iffy from time to time but he did have the ability to win games, which many Steelers fans discredited him of. I wouldn't say Steelers had the toughest time last season in the goaltending department, Pinc arrived within days of the signing and whilst he had a few knocks of his own, Day started a few games and did very well. Day is a solid backup and with the right coaching, perhaps an Elite League starter in the future. Panthers had it tough and it's somewhat their own fault. Madolora cam straight from Italy after forcing a move due to issues with management and being paid.. Came with a lot of weight and troubles on his shoulders. Wiikman was very good until he got injured, and then, like Kowalski arguably did, he probably didn't tell Corey & Poundy the full story when it came to how he was feeling due to injury and as a result, he was started in games where he wasn't fit and then got injured either more or re-aggrevated the original injury, which did cost us games and whether it was Wiikman or Poundall, someone let Wiikman carry on playing at less than probably 80% and when the injury came, it took a a while to get Madolora and Green played 10 games whilst Wiikman rode on the injury for over a month before it got too much. Panthers need to fix up in the physio/medical department because i've lost count of the amount of times players have reportedly been 'healthy' to play, and only go on to aggrevate their injury again, it's unfortunate but it can be avoided. Pinc got Steelers to the title, he had more than his fair share of bad games but in those games, the Steelers defence wasn't exactly solid either and many times, left Pinc out to dry. The reason Steelers won the league is due to a run of good fortune and a bit of consistency whilst Cardiff, Braehead and Panthers all tailed off and crashed into the ground. It was more a case of the title being handed to Steelers than Steelers pulling something amazing out the bag, but.. Credit still has to be given because Steelers didn't crash and burn, just rode the turbulence. Tell me more about this Steelers "run of good fortune" ? Panthers need to copy some of this !
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Post by dill1015 on Jun 15, 2016 18:07:57 GMT
So my point stands. Had panthers had been.pro active in replacing injured players like Sheffield we wouldn't had been a 5th place team But Pinc was rubbish, or so people kept saying. Either way, no team had it more difficult than Steelers with goalies last year, we still found a way to win the league. It's not just about replacing injured players, it's the heart, desire and togetherness in your locker room too. You can sign as many injury replacements as you like if you don't have the heart etc you won't win. The biggest issue we had with goalies last season was Wiikman playing injured. He clearly wasnt right for a number of games and he was bleeding goals and cost us several games. And we were only 5 wins any from a championship. We also lost Schultz, Dimmen and Waugh for large chunks of the season and they were slow to be, or not replace at all.
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Post by Shorty on Jun 15, 2016 18:34:09 GMT
So that leaves either inferior player quality,crap coaching or bad management as the excuse for 5th place. (Oh sorry I meant 4th Pidge,cos we were better than Braehead !) So were Coventry an eighth placed team or not? If you want a clue, just think what you said before........
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Post by texpef on Jun 15, 2016 19:13:56 GMT
So my point stands. Had panthers had been.pro active in replacing injured players like Sheffield we wouldn't had been a 5th place team But Pinc was rubbish, or so people kept saying. Either way, no team had it more difficult than Steelers with goalies last year, we still found a way to win the league. It's not just about replacing injured players, it's the heart, desire and togetherness in your locker room too. You can sign as many injury replacements as you like if you don't have the heart etc you won't win. Or the best (and highest paid) roster...
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Post by Mozzy on Jun 15, 2016 23:45:35 GMT
Pinc was a tad iffy from time to time but he did have the ability to win games, which many Steelers fans discredited him of. I wouldn't say Steelers had the toughest time last season in the goaltending department, Pinc arrived within days of the signing and whilst he had a few knocks of his own, Day started a few games and did very well. Day is a solid backup and with the right coaching, perhaps an Elite League starter in the future. Panthers had it tough and it's somewhat their own fault. Madolora cam straight from Italy after forcing a move due to issues with management and being paid.. Came with a lot of weight and troubles on his shoulders. Wiikman was very good until he got injured, and then, like Kowalski arguably did, he probably didn't tell Corey & Poundy the full story when it came to how he was feeling due to injury and as a result, he was started in games where he wasn't fit and then got injured either more or re-aggrevated the original injury, which did cost us games and whether it was Wiikman or Poundall, someone let Wiikman carry on playing at less than probably 80% and when the injury came, it took a a while to get Madolora and Green played 10 games whilst Wiikman rode on the injury for over a month before it got too much. Panthers need to fix up in the physio/medical department because i've lost count of the amount of times players have reportedly been 'healthy' to play, and only go on to aggrevate their injury again, it's unfortunate but it can be avoided. Pinc got Steelers to the title, he had more than his fair share of bad games but in those games, the Steelers defence wasn't exactly solid either and many times, left Pinc out to dry. The reason Steelers won the league is due to a run of good fortune and a bit of consistency whilst Cardiff, Braehead and Panthers all tailed off and crashed into the ground. It was more a case of the title being handed to Steelers than Steelers pulling something amazing out the bag, but.. Credit still has to be given because Steelers didn't crash and burn, just rode the turbulence. Tell me more about this Steelers "run of good fortune" ? Panthers need to copy some of this ! I think the good fortune was the Clans 3 weeks in Feb where their top 6 forwards were injured. That undoubtedly derailed their challenge. But it wasn't just Steelers good fortune, it was all the other teams. Steelers just took their chances when they came along. There is always good fortune in winning league titles. It could be staying clear of injuries, finding a line that really clicks or somebody else faltering in their challenge. It's all about which team can keep going to the end.
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Post by Mozzy on Jun 15, 2016 23:46:08 GMT
But Pinc was rubbish, or so people kept saying. Either way, no team had it more difficult than Steelers with goalies last year, we still found a way to win the league. It's not just about replacing injured players, it's the heart, desire and togetherness in your locker room too. You can sign as many injury replacements as you like if you don't have the heart etc you won't win. He was probably the worst goalie in eihl era to win the league without doubt Agreed.
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Post by wasteoftime on Jun 16, 2016 7:59:10 GMT
I always forget that no one else ever gets any injuries. And you're right, the outcome of 2 games at the end of his first season as a coach certainly proves how "bang average" he is. So you would swop coaches then?
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Post by Yotes on Jun 16, 2016 9:39:36 GMT
No. I've not suggested anything like that, merely pointed out dismissing Belfast's signings because of how poor their coach is, when they finished ahead of us in his first season, seems a bit silly.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 16, 2016 9:48:31 GMT
No. I've not suggested anything like that, merely pointed out dismissing Belfast's signings because of how poor their coach is, when they finished ahead of us in his first season, seems a bit silly. The Play Off's are great but the league doesn't lie
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Post by iginla on Jun 16, 2016 10:24:03 GMT
No. I've not suggested anything like that, merely pointed out dismissing Belfast's signings because of how poor their coach is, when they finished ahead of us in his first season, seems a bit silly. The Play Off's are great but the league doesn't lie Correct FS it doesn't. Slightly skewed by the Braehead/conference factor but in general it doesn't lie. The best team last year won it and the worst team last year finished bottom,that says it all really.
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Post by Shorty on Jun 16, 2016 11:52:36 GMT
Apart from when you finish in eighth place, and then it does hey.
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Post by iginla on Jun 16, 2016 12:29:37 GMT
Apart from when you finish in eighth place, and then it does hey. Somebody's been trawling old posts again I'm guessing. If your talking Coventry,they are like Braehead,skewed because they play in the hard conference. They wern't the 8th worst team,they were the 6th worst team !
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Post by allingtonskates on Jun 16, 2016 15:34:19 GMT
Apart from when you finish in eighth place, and then it does hey. Somebody's been trawling old posts again I'm guessing. If your talking Coventry,they are like Braehead,skewed because they play in the hard conference. They wern't the 8th worst team,they were the 6th worst team ! they were the 8th worst team. I thought they sucked when they played smaller clubs but only played well agents us and Sheffield. they finished 8th for a reason.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Jun 16, 2016 18:34:05 GMT
if Corey is being patient and waiting for the right players to come along then who they waiting for up in Fife? They have 3 players signed.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Jun 16, 2016 21:00:58 GMT
if Corey is being patient and waiting for the right players to come along then who they waiting for up in Fife? They have 3 players signed. Waiting for the result of the referendum or Scottish independence
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Post by Yotes on Jun 17, 2016 11:08:48 GMT
Do we know why he didn't play last year? Also, great URL from Cardiff. Summoning their inner Gary.
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Post by iginla on Jun 17, 2016 13:24:14 GMT
Do we know why he didn't play last year? Also, great URL from Cardiff. Summoning their inner Gary. Come on Yotes,keep with it. He had a year off because his wife was having a baby. If he had been injured last year.......we would have signed him !
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