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Post by Mozzy on Mar 9, 2016 23:17:54 GMT
Poor decision to let them out on the lash until 4/5am Monday morning. You think it's a long time but it soon knocks your body clock out for a while. Never mind the alcohol taking an edge of your sharpness. For example. A friend of mine, not a usual cling on by any stretch happened to be out with the players Sunday night celebrating. He got home at 5am. Because of this he didn't get up until 3pm. Monday night he then struggled to sleep and had to get up for work on Tuesday very tired and on little sleep. Tuesday evening he flopsand ends up awake at 5am Wednesday morning having slept for 10 hours. Doesn't take too much to see excessive celebrations could have easily effected tonights performance. It may not have been the main reason we lost but that slight edge will have had an influence. Tbh it looked like half of them were still swizzled. I don't think it is a coincidence that the 2 main names I heard who enjoyed themselves a lot on Sunday night arguably had their worst performances tonight. Many of you will have heard about marginal gains etc. A theory applied by 2 incredibly successfull coaches/managers. Both Clive Woodwad and Dave Brailsford have used it to great success. Allowing players to get smashed at such a critical part of the season is ridiculous. It will have played a part. Most "So called proffesional" sportsmen would not have been so irresponssible. Oh and to finish it off. If you do decide to get smashed go and have a private party. Don't do it with/in front of your fans and leave yourself open to this critisism. Inecusable. Heads would role in most pro sports. Seem to remember a few years ago Steelers had just won a trophy, came into your building 24hrs later clearly still sozzled and couldn't string two passes together. Came away with the win though, shockingly. You can't blame the potential missing out of the league title on this one game. There has been plenty of points dropped before tonight that put you where you are now. If we had not dropped 6 points out of 8 to the Caps we'd be home and dry by now.
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 9, 2016 23:25:02 GMT
Poor decision to let them out on the lash until 4/5am Monday morning. You think it's a long time but it soon knocks your body clock out for a while. Never mind the alcohol taking an edge of your sharpness. For example. A friend of mine, not a usual cling on by any stretch happened to be out with the players Sunday night celebrating. He got home at 5am. Because of this he didn't get up until 3pm. Monday night he then struggled to sleep and had to get up for work on Tuesday very tired and on little sleep. Tuesday evening he flopsand ends up awake at 5am Wednesday morning having slept for 10 hours. Doesn't take too much to see excessive celebrations could have easily effected tonights performance. It may not have been the main reason we lost but that slight edge will have had an influence. Tbh it looked like half of them were still swizzled. I don't think it is a coincidence that the 2 main names I heard who enjoyed themselves a lot on Sunday night arguably had their worst performances tonight. Many of you will have heard about marginal gains etc. A theory applied by 2 incredibly successfull coaches/managers. Both Clive Woodwad and Dave Brailsford have used it to great success. Allowing players to get smashed at such a critical part of the season is ridiculous. It will have played a part. Most "So called proffesional" sportsmen would not have been so irresponssible. Oh and to finish it off. If you do decide to get smashed go and have a private party. Don't do it with/in front of your fans and leave yourself open to this critisism. Inecusable. Heads would role in most pro sports. Seem to remember a few years ago Steelers had just won a trophy, came into your building 24hrs later clearly still sozzled and couldn't string two passes together. Came away with the win though, shockingly. You can't blame the potential missing out of the league title on this one game. There has been plenty of points dropped before tonight that put you where you are now. If we had not dropped 6 points out of 8 to the Caps we'd be home and dry by now. I don't think tonight is the main reason we lost the league. It just feels like 2 fingers up to the fans. Get into a position where even the most scepticle start to believe we might. Then turn up with that performnce having partied with fans a few nights before. I also think if we had a coach who played consistant lines rather than changing something which is working we'd have walked the league this year. You don't lose league titles away in Coventry, you may win them but you don't lose them. You lose titles when you get schooled at home by Coventry & Belfast & Cardiff......
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Post by iginla on Mar 9, 2016 23:26:56 GMT
I think the last thing we want to be associated with is the Goons And it's the first 7 cup games they play, I think. If Gary had included the group stages of the CC it'd make more sense, because they're bound to happen, although then he'd struggle with the double ups. Although I agree that we'll never finish bottom 2, so the PO 1/4 is always going to happen too. Just seems a bit odd, and all this popular demand stuff doesn't ring at all true. Difference between the games being that the CC group games are sold weeks in advance and we play those games against the 2 teams we'll get the biggest crowd against so easy to maximise profit. Play-off QFs you get limited warning and presuming it's not a terrible season, you'll play a bottom half club. Hey Kiev. You know that "bottom half club" you mention ? That could very easily be us this season,if Fife win the Gardiner,looking at the current league table,we could quite easily end up as 6th play off seed !
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Post by Mozzy on Mar 9, 2016 23:32:15 GMT
Seem to remember a few years ago Steelers had just won a trophy, came into your building 24hrs later clearly still sozzled and couldn't string two passes together. Came away with the win though, shockingly. You can't blame the potential missing out of the league title on this one game. There has been plenty of points dropped before tonight that put you where you are now. If we had not dropped 6 points out of 8 to the Caps we'd be home and dry by now. I don't think tonight is the main reason we lost the league. It just feels like 2 fingers up to the fans. Get into a position where even the most scepticle start to believe we might. Then turn up with that performnce having partied with fans a few nights before. I also think if we had a coach who played consistant lines rather than changing something which is working we'd have walked the league this year. You don't lose league titles away in Coventry, you may win them but you don't lose them. You lose titles when you get schooled at home by Coventry & Belfast & Cardiff...... I see your point but the result might not have been any different if they hadn't gone out. Coventry are pretty decent right now, they've certainly done us over more than once and we hadn't been out on the lash a couple of nights before. Not sure anyone would have walked the league this year, even with settled lines. Too much parity between sides. People keep telling me this is what we all wanted, more parity, which means results like tonight happen. There are no walk overs in the EIHL anymore (Caps aside since Xmas).
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 9, 2016 23:41:44 GMT
Poor decision to let them out on the lash until 4/5am Monday morning. You think it's a long time but it soon knocks your body clock out for a while. Never mind the alcohol taking an edge of your sharpness. For example. A friend of mine, not a usual cling on by any stretch happened to be out with the players Sunday night celebrating. He got home at 5am. Because of this he didn't get up until 3pm. Monday night he then struggled to sleep and had to get up for work on Tuesday very tired and on little sleep. Tuesday evening he flopsand ends up awake at 5am Wednesday morning having slept for 10 hours. Doesn't take too much to see excessive celebrations could have easily effected tonights performance. It may not have been the main reason we lost but that slight edge will have had an influence. Tbh it looked like half of them were still swizzled. I don't think it is a coincidence that the 2 main names I heard who enjoyed themselves a lot on Sunday night arguably had their worst performances tonight. Many of you will have heard about marginal gains etc. A theory applied by 2 incredibly successfull coaches/managers. Both Clive Woodwad and Dave Brailsford have used it to great success. Allowing players to get smashed at such a critical part of the season is ridiculous. It will have played a part. Most "So called proffesional" sportsmen would not have been so irresponssible. Oh and to finish it off. If you do decide to get smashed go and have a private party. Don't do it with/in front of your fans and leave yourself open to this critisism. Inecusable. Heads would role in most pro sports. Reminds me of a BBC article about Mika Hakinen's former doctor and mentor (since worked with Vettel and Hamilton). Interesting snippet: The main message seems to be a simple one - get a good night's sleep.
Dr Hintsa scoffed at the notion that you can function at full tilt on just five hours' sleep a night. And competitive bragging about how little you need just isn't helpful, he implies.
"Operating three nights in a row on just five hours' sleep is equivalent to driving a car drunk," he adds. (You'll be pleased to hear that Sebastian Vettel aims for ten hours if he's racing.)
Mika agrees; you need to rest more than you train, he says, because you just can't improve while you're tired.
The other message is not drinking alcohol before bed, or using your smartphone or computer.www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35363109F1 vs Beer League Beer league goes to the pub every time. Just look back through history.
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 9, 2016 23:43:59 GMT
There are no guarentees in sport and going to the Skydome is not easy. The fact is they didn't do all they could to try and win.
As far as the game goes. I went to the Skydome tonight. The main difference for the first half was goaltending. Mikka had a mare and was at fault for the first 3. The first he just seemed like he wasn't paying attention. The puck went down the ice whilst we were on PP. He had time to skate out pick up the puck circle his own goal 3 times, do some keepy uppies and still clear the zone/cover up. Instead he stayed in his crease seamingly oblyvious to what was happening. The 2nd & 3rd were just poor goaltending. Whilst Stewart didn't have to make any highlight real saves he was solid when we did get in down low. We did look o.k in the 1st period by enlarge. When the 3rd goal went in heads just dropped and we never looked like getting back in the game. MacMillan was abysmal(easily his worst game) as was that line tbf. Brad Moran easily the best player for me tonight. Only player that looked like he could create something. Thought Lacho was decent enough too. Maybe because he played with Moran. The D wasn't too bad considering the score line Think Mikka let them down.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 9, 2016 23:44:43 GMT
Wiikman had a nightmare and the defense made his bed for him. Funny enough we were almost the first out of the building and passed Corey on his way to the coach lol
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 9, 2016 23:48:27 GMT
Also, it's not to lose that counts but the way that you do it. The best performance of the season followed by the slam dunk absolute worse. Coventry were well drilled and well up for it but we just didn't turn up at all. Not angry or upset. A bit disappointed and I think the team let themselves down tonight and they knew it.
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Post by allingtonskates on Mar 9, 2016 23:48:37 GMT
There are no guarentees in sport and going to the Skydome is not easy. The fact is they didn't do all they could to try and win. As far as the game goes. I went to the Skydome tonight. The main difference for the first half was goaltending. Mikka had a mare and was at fault for the first 3. The first he just seemed like he wasn't paying attention. The puck went down the ice whilst we were on PP. He had time to skate out pick up the puck circle his own goal 3 times, do some keepy uppies and still clear the zone/cover up. Instead he stayed in his crease seamingly oblyvious to what was happening. The 2nd & 3rd were just poor goaltending. Whilst Stewart didn't have to make any highlight real saves he was solid when we did get in down low. We did look o.k in the 1st period by enlarge. When the 3rd goal went in heads just dropped and we never looked like getting back in the game. MacMillan was abysmal(easily his worst game) as was that line tbf. Brad Moran easily the best player for me tonight. Only player that looked like he could create something. Thought Lacho was decent enough too. Maybe because he played with Moran. The D wasn't too bad considering the score line Think Mikka let them down. Yeah Miika did let them down but that's the first time all year he has let them down. The rest of the time he is normally saving them from bad turnovers leading to breakaways. I remember when Coventry scored 8 past Kowalski and mikka only let in 4 so not as bad and would still love to have him back.
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 9, 2016 23:54:26 GMT
There are no guarentees in sport and going to the Skydome is not easy. The fact is they didn't do all they could to try and win. As far as the game goes. I went to the Skydome tonight. The main difference for the first half was goaltending. Mikka had a mare and was at fault for the first 3. The first he just seemed like he wasn't paying attention. The puck went down the ice whilst we were on PP. He had time to skate out pick up the puck circle his own goal 3 times, do some keepy uppies and still clear the zone/cover up. Instead he stayed in his crease seamingly oblyvious to what was happening. The 2nd & 3rd were just poor goaltending. Whilst Stewart didn't have to make any highlight real saves he was solid when we did get in down low. We did look o.k in the 1st period by enlarge. When the 3rd goal went in heads just dropped and we never looked like getting back in the game. MacMillan was abysmal(easily his worst game) as was that line tbf. Brad Moran easily the best player for me tonight. Only player that looked like he could create something. Thought Lacho was decent enough too. Maybe because he played with Moran. The D wasn't too bad considering the score line Think Mikka let them down. Yeah Miika did let them down but that's the first time all year he has let them down. The rest of the time he is normally saving them from bad turnovers leading to breakaways. I remember when Coventry scored 8 past Kowalski and mikka only let in 4 so not as bad and would still love to have him back. Hey. I'm in the Mikka at his best is better than Kwall camp(plenty don't agree). One of the first players I want back next year if he can stay fit. Love the guy. Just commenting on his perrformance tonight. He was dog doo.
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Post by wgray on Mar 9, 2016 23:55:07 GMT
I hate being a Panthers fan Seriously??? You've just won a trophy...... I was joking, but it is very, very frustrating, to the point where it drives you mad
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Post by iginla on Mar 10, 2016 0:07:38 GMT
Somebody please explain why,if you were Corey,you would choose to change our top two lines tonight,lines which had been working so well for the last month ? Then when we are 6-0 down,he suddenly changes them back again with ten minutes to go,it just beggars belief !
Excess drinking,poor goaltending and bad coaching decisions cost us tonight.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 10, 2016 0:15:28 GMT
Somebody please explain why,if you were Corey,you would choose to change our top two lines tonight,lines which had been working so well for the last month ? Then when we are 6-0 down,he suddenly changes them back again with ten minutes to go,it just beggars belief ! Excess drinking,poor goaltending and bad coaching decisions cost us tonight. From the moment they stepped onto the ice they looked exhausted and I think that this time it was in sheer desperation. Makes you wonder who manages their fitness to be honest because even to turn up to a game like that at this point in the season dead on their feet is pretty amateurish at best.
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Post by iginla on Mar 10, 2016 0:51:21 GMT
Well the main reason if they were knackered would be staying out til 5am Monday morning ! So you then sleep all day Monday,then can't sleep Monday night,still knackered Tuesday but have to train,skate Wednesday morning and then travel and play.
Sorry but I don't buy it,it's no excuse,they were telling us three days ago how their fitness and four lines had dominated Cardiff.
Basically,they got plastered after the cup final and we also have a coach who is just,well downright dumb at times.....and that cost us !!!!!
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Post by pantherdman on Mar 10, 2016 6:20:24 GMT
This isn't the odd game out, the cup semi, final and a few others have been the odd games out. The standard of play in the league this season is the worst I've seen, there is not stand out team as they have all been poor. We clearly have the best squad but we haven't utilised them and we haven't covered injuries, That's it really. We could still win the play offs IMO but I still don't think I would be 100% happy with the season if we did, you can win the cup and play offs by turning up for 6 games. Would turning up for 6 games a season be acceptable? I don't know? It wouldn't be for me if I was a season ticket holder.
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Post by Ian on Mar 10, 2016 7:37:23 GMT
Typical Panthers really.
The media releases talk about using the cup win as momentum for a grand slam, the following game suggests the cup win was an excuse to get bladdered and urinate whatever very slim chance we had of a league title up against a wall.
Sadly this season has been one of missed opportunity and is probably the most frustrating I can remember. Some brilliant players on the roster, capable of really great performances, but bad coaching and bad management have done for us.
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Post by mattscold on Mar 10, 2016 8:06:40 GMT
I went to the Skydome last night and it was an awful performance, pretty much to a man.
Miika on another night would have probably saved all 4 shots, but he wasn't the only player to have an off night.
The defence seemed like they were skating through treacle most of the night. Passes going to the opposition more often than not, hell even Cam seemed exhausted.
That performance was unacceptable, Mozzy is correct of course we may not have won regardless of Sundays celebrations, but at least we may have turned up and gave it a good go.
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Post by spik on Mar 10, 2016 9:59:52 GMT
Just got the news of the loss and my immediate thoughts go to the POST game comments of a CUP win of ' we have two more titles to win yet....well, assuming that's how you do it does look a bit weird. We are always told about professionalism....so what is it in detail please.
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Post by nate24 on Mar 10, 2016 14:32:31 GMT
They can't seriously expect to have a bid at the title by dropping points like this. Yeah it may be OK for some as we had just won the cup but you gotta realize we now only have half a dozen games left. This game was important as the final in terms of league chances.
Oh screw it. We have our cup, that'll keep the rank and file coming into the arena. Kerching. That's what it's ultimately about I guess.
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 10, 2016 14:50:20 GMT
They can't seriously expect to have a bid at the title by dropping points like this. Yeah it may be OK for some as we had just won the cup but you gotta realize we now only have half a dozen games left. This game was important as the final in terms of league chances. Oh screw it. We have our cup, that'll keep the rank and file coming into the arena. Kerching. That's what it's ultimately about I guess. You be Carefull. If you post anything like this on social media with your true identity available to all you could be lynched at the next game. The amount of people scoffing at others for suggesting that Corey should go on the back of the cup final. Your life will be in danger. I guess these be the rank & file you talk about. It's this attitude that allows the club to opperate this way. Bring in any trophies and most will be happy. You can add up as many trophies as you like, you can talk about how most other clubs would give their right arm for the success we've had. The simple fact is we have 1 league title. Coaching, Management, ownership. Wherever the blame lies it simply isn't good enough to think lifting any silverwear counts as success.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 15:12:02 GMT
They can't seriously expect to have a bid at the title by dropping points like this. Yeah it may be OK for some as we had just won the cup but you gotta realize we now only have half a dozen games left. This game was important as the final in terms of league chances. Oh screw it. We have our cup, that'll keep the rank and file coming into the arena. Kerching. That's what it's ultimately about I guess. You be Carefull. If you post anything like this on social media with your true identity available to all you could be lynched at the next game. The amount of people scoffing at others for suggesting that Corey should go on the back of the cup final. Your life will be in danger. I guess these be the rank & file you talk about. It's this attitude that allows the club to opperate this way. Bring in any trophies and most will be happy. You can add up as many trophies as you like, you can talk about how most other clubs would give their right arm for the success we've had. The simple fact is we have 1 league title. Coaching, Management, ownership. Wherever the blame lies it simply isn't good enough to think lifting any silverwear counts as success. 100% correct just had a have a look on twitter last night for plenty of Corey defenders! It was embarrassing. Hey Sunday night was awesome something you don't often experience but.. I guage success with league titles ... and that's where lies the problem. Corey has come some way short with his questionable coaching over 8 years. Time for change
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Post by iginla on Mar 10, 2016 15:23:21 GMT
I'm still trying to work out why on earth a coach would change successful lines for last nights game ?
And the only reason i can come up with is Corey's arrogant "i will do it my way attitude".......well his way didn't work,it bombed big time !
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 10, 2016 15:35:51 GMT
I'm still trying to work out why on earth a coach would change successful lines for last nights game ? And the only reason i can come up with is Corey's arrogant "i will do it my way attitude".......well his way didn't work,it bombed big time ! You have probably worked out by now that this is my biggest gripe. As i've said time & time again. He clearly knows better than all the best coaches in the world and he will prove it!!
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Post by Shorty on Mar 10, 2016 15:40:16 GMT
Out of interest what were the changed lines?
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Post by Bagheera on Mar 10, 2016 16:40:27 GMT
Out of interest what were the changed lines? Just a mixture of the top 6. Konik & Moran apart most of the time. As they have for a few of the most recent games. Bohmbach, Schultz, Lacho & Mosey interchanging generally. At one point it was Schultz, Moran, Lacho Kolnik, Bohmbach, Mosey. Although I do find it harder to follow the line combinations as easily away from home.
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