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Post by shmyrohdear on Apr 6, 2016 14:00:31 GMT
Seen it plenty of times myself too, doesn't change the fact that we weren't out of it for months, notat all. We may have had an idea how it would go down but that's not the same as being out of it is it? Perhaps it is us fans that need to change our way of thinking, maybe we should adopt the more north american way and appreciate the trophies we've won and not let the league be the be all and end all after this is hockey and not football right? Fan's imo should be adopting the North American mindset, hockey isn't centered around a league title in general. Hearing all this "UK Hockey's too prize" is daft, the league it structured in a football esq way and it won't be around forever. Winning both of the trophies we have this season is still a massive accomplishment and shouldn't be played down.
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Post by Kirk55 on Apr 6, 2016 14:10:12 GMT
Perhaps it is us fans that need to change our way of thinking, maybe we should adopt the more north american way and appreciate the trophies we've won and not let the league be the be all and end all after this is hockey and not football right? Fan's imo should be adopting the North American mindset, hockey isn't centered around a league title in general. Hearing all this "UK Hockey's too prize" is daft, the league it structured in a football esq way and it won't be around forever. Winning both of the trophies we have this season is still a massive accomplishment and shouldn't be played down. But if we're going to do that shouldn't we also adopt all the rules from NA? It goes back to my other post, why are leagues and competitions different all round the world? It wouldn't be tolerated in football/rugby/cricket etc etc so why do we put up with different rules for different leagues and different ways of running the play offs? Why can't we have best of 7 like the NHL? Would winning the play offs then be more highly thought of over here?
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 6, 2016 14:21:06 GMT
O.k so i decided to take a few days to get over the weekend, enjoy it for what it was, and that was a damned good weekend topped off with the ecstacy of lifting the PO trophy. Now it's back to reality. The emotion has gone and I feel a fair view of the situation is now in mind. The reality is that we had a decent season winning 2 of the 3 important trophies. However it has been an incredibly frustrating season. Every time your spirits seamed to be lifted by some unbelievable performaces seamingly putting us back in the title race they were sent crashing back down to earth with an equally poor display. That inconsistancy really was the story of the league campaign. And many before too. Now my favourite subject, the lines. My biggest frustration with Corey by a mile. The point still stands and probably proved more so by events towards the end of the season. For 2 3/4 seasonshe persisted with his system and it was obvious to most it just didn't work. I'm talking pick & mix lines within a game and NO constant lines game to game here. Tactical changes to tweak recoginsable lines is completely different. Now I don't know what happened, I don't know who got through to him(maybe some of the more experienced guys like Moran & Kolnik? ), but we finally saw this change in the last quater of the season. We saw some settled lines which included a fantastic top line and a great bash line. This allowed him to see what did & didn't work with individual lines and tweak like he should and like most coaches do. None more evident than utilising Lawerence to his full potential and swapping him off the bash line(which I called btw ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) ). Credit where it's due that was a good move. So the main issue I have with all this is that it took him 2 3/4 season to see it. There are other problems that can be aimed at the coaching team which still remain poor. The PP being the biggest one. A coach that has been around a while gets sussed out by others which is to be expected. The fact is that he hasn't addapted again to counter act it. I said before the play offs that I'd find it hard to argue against him being offered another contract if he did the double and I stand by it. For me he won 2 trophies, he appeared to finally give up on his line messing and if Brad Moran or a few others are allowed to help improve the PP etc then we could beheadingin the right directon with Corey in charge. I would also add that if we managed go retain 10+ of this years imports Corey could have a great change of delivering the league next term. The reality is that this season has left a bad taste in my mouth, 1 league title with all of his opportunites simply isn't good enough, regardless of how many cups there are to paper over the cracks. Given the choice i'd make a change. I have no problem with Corey the GM. I would happily shake his hand and thank him for what be has done for the club. He has done some great things. It's just time to freshen things up. All in all. If he goes i'll be happy to see something new. If he stays I won't be happy but I wont be overally annoyed either. I'll get behind him at the start of the season and hope for the best, but it really must be last chance saloon.
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 6, 2016 14:25:21 GMT
Perhaps it is us fans that need to change our way of thinking, maybe we should adopt the more north american way and appreciate the trophies we've won and not let the league be the be all and end all after this is hockey and not football right? Fan's imo should be adopting the North American mindset, hockey isn't centered around a league title in general. Hearing all this "UK Hockey's too prize" is daft, the league it structured in a football esq way and it won't be around forever. Winning both of the trophies we have this season is still a massive accomplishment and shouldn't be played down. I agree with the PO thing just not as it stands. I want the POs to be the most important trophy and like the NA way. I cannot justify the arguement with the formant being so poor as it stands.
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Post by mattscold on Apr 6, 2016 14:30:59 GMT
Seen it plenty of times myself too, doesn't change the fact that we weren't out of it for months, notat all. We may have had an idea how it would go down but that's not the same as being out of it is it? Perhaps it is us fans that need to change our way of thinking, maybe we should adopt the more north american way and appreciate the trophies we've won and not let the league be the be all and end all after this is hockey and not football right? Not at all, I have stated on numerous threads the league is the most important trophy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 17:22:02 GMT
If, if, if Matt..... Fact was it was very clear in January that we wouldn't put up a significant title challenge. Many of us regulars called it, had all seen the signs before. When we didn't replace Wiikman or Dimmen quickly enough we were finished in the race. Maybe this wasn't Corey's fault this time, we had the makings of a very good outfit as the cup & play off form clearly shows. Perhaps it's a motivational issue, perhaps a couple more signings at the right time would have helped. Quick & McDonald certainly helped. Who to blame for the above is a good question but with NB & GM almost certainly going no where if there is to be a change it will be at the coaching levels. Here's a pertinent question, who's season would we rather have had..... Sheffield's or ours? Seen it plenty of times myself too, doesn't change the fact that we weren't out of it for months, notat all. We may have had an idea how it would go down but that's not the same as being out of it is it? I knew we were out of it in Jan. I called it so at the time. One of Sheffield, Cardiff or Braehead would stumble over the line, not us.
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Post by wilx on Apr 7, 2016 10:12:14 GMT
Fan's imo should be adopting the North American mindset, hockey isn't centered around a league title in general. Hearing all this "UK Hockey's too prize" is daft, the league it structured in a football esq way and it won't be around forever. Winning both of the trophies we have this season is still a massive accomplishment and shouldn't be played down. I agree with the PO thing just not as it stands. I want the POs to be the most important trophy and like the NA way. I cannot justify the arguement with the formant being so poor as it stands. So some of you think that we need to gear around the playoffs being the most important? So when I shell out £410 for a season ticket for the League games ( plus 1 playoff if we even get there) I should be happy to let the team not go hell for leather for the League and look like they are just on "holiday in the UK" , and then I can pay extra for the 3 most important ( in your eyes) games at the end of the season where they do give a monkeys? You are having as much of a laugh as GM if you think this is the way to go
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 7, 2016 10:23:21 GMT
I agree with the PO thing just not as it stands. I want the POs to be the most important trophy and like the NA way. I cannot justify the arguement with the formant being so poor as it stands. So some of you think that we need to gear around the playoffs being the most important? So when I shell out £410 for a season ticket for the League games ( plus 1 playoff if we even get there) I should be happy to let the team not go hell for leather for the League and look like they are just on "holiday in the UK" , and then I can pay extra for the 3 most important ( in your eyes) games at the end of the season where they do give a monkeys? You are having as much of a laugh as GM if you think this is the way to go I said that the POs cant be taken seriously only being 3 games. It needs to be significantly upgraded. Also doesn't mean the league isn't still a relevant trophy, I just prefer the NA format. Happy for others to think differently. When we are in a position to have more teams in the league. Hopefully the aspirstional 14 teams then teams will have to play to ensure they qualify. 6 teams would be missing out on the play offs so no longer a given. Teams also want to finish as high as possible for better seeding which is more important in a series based format. The team will still need to give it 100% in league games. As I say. Currently the league has to be most important as the set up and format just doesn't allow the playoffs to hold the significance it should. You can chose to spend your money to watch it if you want. The NAs choose to and obviously still enjoy it. Only you know if you do but you have to decide if you want to watch the product put in front of you or not. I'l still have my season ticket either way.
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Post by Kirk55 on Apr 7, 2016 10:28:02 GMT
Not at all, I have stated on numerous threads the league is the most important trophy Perhaps we should all communicate this to the club if its what we all want? Has that ever been done? Just so everyone's clear.
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Post by lucaseville on Apr 7, 2016 12:37:08 GMT
Not at all, I have stated on numerous threads the league is the most important trophy Perhaps we should all communicate this to the club if its what we all want? Has that ever been done? Just so everyone's clear. Ticket, merchandise, etc sales communicate everything they feel they need to know.
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Post by iginla on Apr 7, 2016 12:45:50 GMT
Not at all, I have stated on numerous threads the league is the most important trophy Perhaps we should all communicate this to the club if its what we all want? Has that ever been done? Just so everyone's clear. Communicate to them what you like mate,you won't get far......unless you want to sponsor or buy something !!!!!
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