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Post by endisforever91 on Jan 20, 2016 18:25:39 GMT
Would expect Storm to quickly become a draw for Steelers fans at least although possibly not for the Panthers.
How many away fans do teams typically bring to the NIC? I know it will vary depending on game night etc...
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 20, 2016 18:35:11 GMT
I agree. Despite various BS comments made by certain individuals if the panthers could find a way to add two more Steelers games to the season they would do that too. If that is a thinly-veiled dig at me then perhaps you should re-read my posts. Of all the arena teams I'm sure Nottingham would like as many games against Sheffield as they can get, given that many locals only seem to turn up for games against the Steelers. What I touched upon though is that perhaps other arena teams, who may have more interest in on-ice results rather than financial ones, might have had reservations against losing more of the 'easier' games.
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 20, 2016 18:45:17 GMT
Of course you have to try and take everyone with you in a league as flimsy as ours is often proved to be, but I'd think if it was so odious to them they'd find another way to offer a salve to the Scottish rink teams. Like what? How do you give Scottish teams less travel, more local derbies and give them more of a chance competing with the arena teams without creating the conference system? Hull were screwed by the creation of the conference system, but the success of Braehead relied upon retaining Scottish opposition and developing rivalries. Given the money he had invested Neil Black would only have voted one way with his two votes.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 20, 2016 18:58:50 GMT
I agree. Despite various BS comments made by certain individuals if the panthers could find a way to add two more Steelers games to the season they would do that too. If that is a thinly-veiled dig at me then perhaps you should re-read my posts. Of all the arena teams I'm sure Nottingham would like as many games against Sheffield as they can get, given that many locals only seem to turn up for games against the Steelers. What I touched upon though is that perhaps other arena teams, who may have more interest in on-ice results rather than financial ones, might have had reservations against losing more of the 'easier' games. No, I was referring to GM actually from earlier in the season.
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 20, 2016 19:03:06 GMT
If that is a thinly-veiled dig at me then perhaps you should re-read my posts. Of all the arena teams I'm sure Nottingham would like as many games against Sheffield as they can get, given that many locals only seem to turn up for games against the Steelers. What I touched upon though is that perhaps other arena teams, who may have more interest in on-ice results rather than financial ones, might have had reservations against losing more of the 'easier' games. No, I was referring to GM actually from earlier in the season. My apologies then.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 20, 2016 19:06:33 GMT
No, I was referring to GM actually from earlier in the season. My apologies then. No need at all
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Post by Rob Scott on Jan 28, 2016 7:46:06 GMT
Which teams make up the challenge cup semi finals?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 7:51:26 GMT
Which teams make up the challenge cup semi finals? Don't think you'll get a reply, ftm. They're too busy getting their facts together from page one.
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Post by MODSTUFF on Jan 28, 2016 7:58:27 GMT
Another solid piece of evidence added to the case. I don't think I'd have any problems convincing a jury of people who know nothing about hockey, that Clan have the easier conference.
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Post by Doom on Jan 28, 2016 8:07:43 GMT
The system is going to ruin what would have been an exciting end to the season.
I think you folks are probably out of it and both ourselves and Cardiff 1 defeat away from being out of it, purely because Braehead have it easy.
If Braehead had a similar schedule to the rest of us I really couldn't pick a winner out of 4, possibly 5, teams. My gut feeling is that Braehead are probably 4th or 5th best team, but they'll win the league quite comfortably....That's wrong in my book.
Even Simmsey in The Star is saying Braehead are favourites because they have the easier schedule. The wording used by Bob Westerdale is 'so-called inferior opposition'.....There's no so-called about it.....look at the league table.
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Post by cooperphil156 on Jan 28, 2016 8:18:04 GMT
Why is there now these comments, as it was obvious from the start. The surprise is that it has taken this long for Braehead to get into this position. There have been numerous posts suggesting a more satisfactory points system. Perhaps this issue might finally be addressed next season. The current situation is absurd.
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Post by Doom on Jan 28, 2016 8:22:08 GMT
Why is there now these comments, as it was obvious from the start. The surprise is that it has taken this long for Braehead to get into this position. There have been numerous posts suggesting a more satisfactory points system. Perhaps this issue might finally be addressed next season. The current situation is absurd. I think the reason it's taken so long for Braehead to get into this position is because of the lopsided nature of their schedule. They played a high percentage of their cross-conference games in the early part of the season and because they're not as strong against the 'better' opposition, they hovered just below the top teams. Now they're playing more of their games against the 'weaker' teams, they're climbing up the league. Was it a deliberate ploy to play the tougher teams early on, so that they wouldn't run away with it before Christmas and thus impacting on other clubs crowds? Regards Doom
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Post by cooperphil156 on Jan 28, 2016 18:11:50 GMT
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Post by pirate82 on Jan 29, 2016 10:20:15 GMT
I'm an ex player and over the past 4 decades one time supporter of Aviemore ( blackhawks), Murrayfield (Racers),Dundee(Rockets),Paisley(Pirates),Ayr(Eagles)....and currently Braehead as they are only 20 miles from home. My 3 month/6 month job secondments allowed me to watch Swindon / Guildford / Manchester/ Nottingham ( old rink). I do not own any braehead tops or merchandise. Do Braehead have an advantage regarding conference structures? YES....however , not as big as many might think as every game for Clan is a derby game. Case and point last year in the second last game at Murrayfield when every caps player threw themselves at every shot ...and were out on their feet at the end to get the win and push Clan into second. When the conference was muted 3 seasons ago ...no one ...and certainly not the general Scottish ice hockey public could have forseen the huge success of the Clan in a hitherto hockey wilderness. The other 3 Scottish teams have all been the dominant force at one time or another in British hockey. Clan have a very professional set up which engages with their fans and the community. Clans advantage was not expected ....nor their sell outs ...nor the main sponsor having a 9 billion pound turnover etc etc etc. Now the money generated by the Gardiner teams with mass derbies , as well as the reluctance of Belfast to switch conferences ....are hinderences to reverting back to the previous format. Clan have an advantage. Panthers have had advantages resource wise in the past league structures whereby at the start of the season you could discount hull/Newcastle/Edinburgh/clan/Dundee/fife/Cardiff . In effect the league was between 3/4 teams ...and home ice playoff advantage. Perhaps unfair to call Braehead bottlers when Panthers tend to fade after xmas annually and have 1 league win under their belt in 55 years. In a primarily revenue stream ...resource driven league...should Panthers be the dominant force ? Yes. Should Panthers be annual title challengers ? Yes. Should the ice arena have a fan section like Braeheads section N to elevate game night atmosphere? Yes. Should Panthers website ( first point of contact to potential sponsors / players / newbies ) look less like a play school set ? Yes. Are Panthers fans taken for granted ....being short changed? Yes. Is Gary Moran a hinderence to the future/potential development of the Panthers brand . Yes. All in my own opinion of course with no offence intended to anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2016 10:40:08 GMT
I'm an ex player and over the past 4 decades one time supporter of Aviemore ( blackhawks), Murrayfield (Racers),Dundee(Rockets),Paisley(Pirates),Ayr(Eagles)....and currently Braehead as they are only 20 miles from home. My 3 month/6 month job secondments allowed me to watch Swindon / Guildford / Manchester/ Nottingham ( old rink). I do not own any braehead tops or merchandise. Do Braehead have an advantage regarding conference structures? YES....however , not as big as many might think as every game for Clan is a derby game. Case and point last year in the second last game at Murrayfield when every caps player threw themselves at every shot ...and were out on their feet at the end to get the win and push Clan into second. When the conference was muted 3 seasons ago ...no one ...and certainly not the general Scottish ice hockey public could have forseen the huge success of the Clan in a hitherto hockey wilderness. The other 3 Scottish teams have all been the dominant force at one time or another in British hockey. Clan have a very professional set up which engages with their fans and the community. Clans advantage was not expected ....nor their sell outs ...nor the main sponsor having a 9 billion pound turnover etc etc etc. Now the money generated by the Gardiner teams with mass derbies , as well as the reluctance of Belfast to switch conferences ....are hinderences to reverting back to the previous format. Clan have an advantage. Panthers have had advantages resource wise in the past league structures whereby at the start of the season you could discount hull/Newcastle/Edinburgh/clan/Dundee/fife/Cardiff . In effect the league was between 3/4 teams ...and home ice playoff advantage. Perhaps unfair to call Braehead bottlers when Panthers tend to fade after xmas annually and have 1 league win under their belt in 55 years. In a primarily revenue stream ...resource driven league...should Panthers be the dominant force ? Yes. Should Panthers be annual title challengers ? Yes. Should the ice arena have a fan section like Braeheads section N to elevate game night atmosphere? Yes. Should Panthers website ( first point of contact to potential sponsors / players / newbies ) look less like a play school set ? Yes. Are Panthers fans taken for granted ....being short changed? Yes. Is Gary Moran a hinderence to the future/potential development of the Panthers brand . Yes. All in my own opinion of course with no offence intended to anyone. Excellent post in my opinion (edited just for you MODSTUFF)
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Post by MODSTUFF on Jan 29, 2016 10:42:25 GMT
^^^^^^^
Trying to work out if this is a troll or not.
But I'll bite on one of the points you made.
League was out of 3/4 teams? Really? How many teams are competing in the league this season
In the seasons that you mentioned, all teams played the same amount of games against each other. That's the point that's being made. Not that some teams had an advantage because of resources. That's always going to be the case in any sport.
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Post by MODSTUFF on Jan 29, 2016 11:02:05 GMT
I'm an ex player and over the past 4 decades one time supporter of Aviemore ( blackhawks), Murrayfield (Racers),Dundee(Rockets),Paisley(Pirates),Ayr(Eagles)....and currently Braehead as they are only 20 miles from home. My 3 month/6 month job secondments allowed me to watch Swindon / Guildford / Manchester/ Nottingham ( old rink). I do not own any braehead tops or merchandise. Do Braehead have an advantage regarding conference structures? YES....however , not as big as many might think as every game for Clan is a derby game. Case and point last year in the second last game at Murrayfield when every caps player threw themselves at every shot ...and were out on their feet at the end to get the win and push Clan into second. When the conference was muted 3 seasons ago ...no one ...and certainly not the general Scottish ice hockey public could have forseen the huge success of the Clan in a hitherto hockey wilderness. The other 3 Scottish teams have all been the dominant force at one time or another in British hockey. Clan have a very professional set up which engages with their fans and the community. Clans advantage was not expected ....nor their sell outs ...nor the main sponsor having a 9 billion pound turnover etc etc etc. Now the money generated by the Gardiner teams with mass derbies , as well as the reluctance of Belfast to switch conferences ....are hinderences to reverting back to the previous format. Clan have an advantage. Panthers have had advantages resource wise in the past league structures whereby at the start of the season you could discount hull/Newcastle/Edinburgh/clan/Dundee/fife/Cardiff . In effect the league was between 3/4 teams ...and home ice playoff advantage. Perhaps unfair to call Braehead bottlers when Panthers tend to fade after xmas annually and have 1 league win under their belt in 55 years. In a primarily revenue stream ...resource driven league...should Panthers be the dominant force ? Yes. Should Panthers be annual title challengers ? Yes. Should the ice arena have a fan section like Braeheads section N to elevate game night atmosphere? Yes. Should Panthers website ( first point of contact to potential sponsors / players / newbies ) look less like a play school set ? Yes. Are Panthers fans taken for granted ....being short changed? Yes. Is Gary Moran a hinderence to the future/potential development of the Panthers brand . Yes. All in my own opinion of course with no offence intended to anyone. Excellent post Excellent? Really? 20% explaining where they've watched hockey. 20% explaining how awesome Clan are at what they do. 10% explaining how panthers have always had an advantage (only point being made in the post) 10% explaining that the league was only ever out of 3/4 teams. (if thats the case this season then Clan have this advantage, plus the advantage of the conference.) 40% slating the panthers. Awful post. Edit: There was a point being made about local rivalries making it difficult for Clan. I'd accept this as a point if the league table reflected this. But it doesn't. Quite the opposite actually.
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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 29, 2016 19:35:12 GMT
Excellent? Really? 20% explaining where they've watched hockey. 20% explaining how awesome Clan are at what they do. 10% explaining how panthers have always had an advantage (only point being made in the post) 10% explaining that the league was only ever out of 3/4 teams. (if thats the case this season then Clan have this advantage, plus the advantage of the conference.) 40% slating the panthers. Awful post. Edit: There was a point being made about local rivalries making it difficult for Clan. I'd accept this as a point if the league table reflected this. But it doesn't. Quite the opposite actually. What exactly is wrong with these points? I'd say they are all correct. In a primarily revenue stream ...resource driven league...should Panthers be the dominant force ? Yes. Should Panthers be annual title challengers ? Yes. Should the ice arena have a fan section like Braeheads section N to elevate game night atmosphere? Yes. Should Panthers website ( first point of contact to potential sponsors / players / newbies ) look less like a play school set ? Yes. Are Panthers fans taken for granted ....being short changed? Yes. Is Gary Moran a hinderence to the future/potential development of the Panthers brand . Yes. All in my own opinion of course with no offence intended to anyone.
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Post by MODSTUFF on Jan 29, 2016 20:05:01 GMT
I agree with all these posts also. But they're not really relevant to the discussion about the conference system.
Just seemed to go off on a bit of a rant about panthers. I actually ignored this initially and picked one of the points made to generate more discussion with the OP. The break down of the post was in response to another poster's claim of excellence.
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Post by shclan on Jan 30, 2016 0:17:01 GMT
Clan fan here
Do we have an easier job than others winning the league? Of course we do. No Clan fan can deny that. However we are competing it a competition where the format was agreed by all clubs so for some to turn round now and complain is beyond me. Had we won the league last season the conference system would have been changed this season I'm pretty sure.
In my opinion the conference setup was never anything to do with helping the small clubs it was all to do with getting more big crowds and therefore more £££ for panthers, steelers and to a lesser extent Devils.
For what it's worth I reckon we do have the 5th biggest budget in the league.
Finally, how come nobody in the erdhart conference was complaining back in November when clan were down in 8th place? With our win tonight we have won 8 league games in a row. Yes we play easier games but I think some fans need to give a bit of credit where credits due
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 0:27:47 GMT
No Clan fan can deny that. See Discoray.... Still waiting for the proof of your 'facts' from page one, Discoray......
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Post by kaos1874 on Jan 30, 2016 0:34:24 GMT
Clan fan here too Do Clan benefit from the conference system? yes they do, going by league statistics Do Nottingham benefit from the conference system? yes they do, as they get more games against the "big teams" thus generating more revenue Personally I would absolutely love for the conference system to go, or to move to a proper playoff system where the league is not the title decider, but will Nottingham be willing to take the hit of potentially not having as many games against Sheffield, Belfast, Cardiff...my honest opinion is no, as that is one of the reasons that the conference system was designed for (the other being the obvious geography issues) So it is what it is unfortunately, Nottingham enjoyed the benefits of the conference system for the past 4-5years of Braehead's existence, could it be that Braehead enjoy the benefits for the first time? Time will tell All in my opinion of course
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Post by iginla on Jan 30, 2016 1:00:43 GMT
What they should do is play everybody 3 home and 3 away giving a 54 game season,so an extra home game for everybody to help offset not having the extra local derby pay days. Panthers no doubt benefit from increased crowds with the current system yes,as do other teams too,but what we don't do....is spend it ! Crowds in Nottingham are not far off double Braeheads,but I don't think looking at imports there is any difference in spending,the difference is the top two or three Brits that Panthers have. Our roster is certainly nowhere near reflective of the difference in the two teams crowd sizes though,if it was then we would walk it and other teams always seem to forget that !
Panthers fans would love to see the conference system go,even Gary Moran has said numerous times he hates it,Corey Neilson most certainly dislikes it. I believe the problem with the conferences is not of Panthers choosing,it is most of the other teams.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 22:21:26 GMT
It begins...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 9:50:10 GMT
Anyone thinking Braehead don't deserve the title will be heartened by their remaining 14 fixtures....
Sun 07 Feb Braehead Clan v Fife Flyers
Thu 11 Feb Braehead Clan v The Cast of Trainspotting
Sat 13 Feb Stevie Wonder (Wearing ear muffs) v Braehead Clan Sun 14 Feb Braehead Clan v 5 Muller Strawberry Fruit Corners (Short benched, no keeper)
Sat 20 Feb Braehead Clan v The Proclaimers
Sun 21 Feb Jamie & Andy Murray v Braehead Clan
Sat 27 Feb Braehead Clan v So Far So Good, Bryan Adams, A&M Records, Inc. 1993, All Rights Reserved
Sun 28 Feb Braehead Clan v The Combined Blue Belly Button Fluff of Whoever is Officiating
Sat 05 Mar Ryan Finnerty's Family v Braehead Clan
Sun 06 Mar Dundee Stars v Braehead Clan
Sat 12 Mar Braehead Clan v Washington Generals
Sun 13 Mar Braehead Clan v Irn-Bru
Sat 19 Mar Braehead Clan v Edinburgh Capitals (8 players remaining)
Sun 20 Mar Edinburgh Capitals (6 players remaining) v Braehead Clan
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