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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 1, 2016 10:35:04 GMT
The red lights are flashing and there's a definite 'awooga' piercing my ear drums. The long road trips blip is over, but results have continued to deteriorate and there are some serious issues and quite frankly it may be to late to have hit the panic button, because there are several issues which can't be solved instantly.
Goal tending: Wiikman is injured and the constant rushing him back is making it worse. Give him a few weeks and find cover. That cover is not Green. Green can cover a game or a few periods but expecting him to start more than once is not good enough. While he's had some good turnouts, yesterday was atrocious. I think it was telling that after the 5th Oakford was clearly saying "what more can I do?" (Obviously he should never verbalise that on the ice, but we were all thinking it.)
Defence: Need cover, need a stay at home D-man. Been talked about for months.
Forwards: Nothing particular to note. We've got the forwards and while we should have got cover for Shultz, we didn't and we've paid that price and I expect him back soon enough.
Coaching: Ignoring the roster issues which I believe is above Corey's head, motivation and being able to play a 69 minute game is infuriating. The attitude of some in that first period was disgraceful. I don't care if Green would let a beach ball through, you defend your goalie and if one of your guys is struggling you work harder to help him. This team talks a lot about togetherness and team bond, but that first period showed zilch. It's hugely frustrating because Corey fires a rocket up their backside and then they get going for the second but as usual it's too late!
Jesus that wasn't meant to be a rant but I've clearly not calmed down as much as I thought!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 11:24:01 GMT
With a fit Wiikman we would have won yesterday, quite comfortably. We didn't actually play that badly. Green is a back up though, he will let soft goals in from time to time.
What bugs me about the club is the constant bile from those upstairs & a perceived lack of roster support. Maybe it's Corey saying he doesn't want anyone, maybe it's the owners. Very suspicious how Braehead got their new nettie so efficiently.
I'd love a new coach for next year to challenge the status quo a little, we would definitely find out then if Corey is the 'yes man' that I & I suspect many others believe he is.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 1, 2016 11:54:34 GMT
The red lights are flashing and there's a definite 'awooga' piercing my ear drums. The long road trips blip is over, but results have continued to deteriorate and there are some serious issues and quite frankly it may be to late to have hit the panic button, because there are several issues which can't be solved instantly. Goal tending: Wiikman is injured and the constant rushing him back is making it worse. Give him a few weeks and find cover. That cover is not Green. Green can cover a game or a few periods but expecting him to start more than once is not good enough. While he's had some good turnouts, yesterday was atrocious. I think it was telling that after the 5th Oakford was clearly saying "what more can I do?" (Obviously he should never verbalise that on the ice, but we were all thinking it.) Defence: Need cover, need a stay at home D-man. Been talked about for months. Forwards: Nothing particular to note. We've got the forwards and while we should have got cover for Shultz, we didn't and we've paid that price and I expect him back soon enough. Coaching: Ignoring the roster issues which I believe is above Corey's head, motivation and being able to play a 69 minute game is infuriating. The attitude of some in that first period was disgraceful. I don't care if Green would let a beach ball through, you defend your goalie and if one of your guys is struggling you work harder to help him. This team talks a lot about togetherness and team bond, but that first period showed zilch. It's hugely frustrating because Corey fires a rocket up their backside and then they get going for the second but as usual it's too late! Jesus that wasn't meant to be a rant but I've clearly not calmed down as much as I thought! The completely accidental hit by Lacho on Wiikman on Tuesday would have possibly put a fit netminder out anyway. Playing in desperation mode and these things will happen. The ship has sailed on the D as just bringing one in now would be a help but really wouldn't make a lot of difference.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 1, 2016 12:12:08 GMT
With a fit Wiikman we would have won yesterday, quite comfortably. We didn't actually play that badly. Green is a back up though, he will let soft goals in from time to time. What bugs me about the club is the constant bile from those upstairs & a perceived lack of roster support. Maybe it's Corey saying he doesn't want anyone, maybe it's the owners. Very suspicious how Braehead got their new nettie so efficiently. I'd love a new coach for next year to challenge the status quo a little, we would definitely find out then if Corey is the 'yes man' that I & I suspect many others believe he is. It's annoying as the Clans back-up is a lot better than Dan too but that's really a roll of the dice with back-ups. CN is a thoroughly decent guy but it was time for change last year IMO. The huge swings in performance and intensity during every single game makes me worry as far as being able to make the team play before it gets to the screaming stage together with the huge ice time the two lines get when plan-B kicks in which shows that the original plan was never going to work. He just never seems to be able to start a game with the players actually doing what they are sent out there to do. Personally I call BS on the injury side as all sides this year have had injury problems and always will. A coach should be judged on how he deals with difficult situations and how he motivates his players but I would imagine that being a coach in the current Panthers set up would be a nightmare.
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Post by PantherG on Jan 1, 2016 13:30:29 GMT
The issue is a number of things, first of all everyone was crying out for a D man from the start of the season, only brilliant play from Mikka helped us steal games and allowed the powers that be say we could play an import short. However, due to various injuries we never just played 'one' import short. Amazingly when we lost our best forward we still did not seek a replacement, despite the severity of the injury.
We then stupidly decided it was a great idea, to make a few more £'sss to move a key fixture against Sheffield from the Thursday to the Sunday, right after a huge match away to Cardiff. Whoever thought it was great to hand Shuff such an advantage needs sacking. Ironically this then lead to a big downward spiral and since the end of Nov we lost something like 9 games. Had we started the season with this form we would be at the bottom of the league!! As it stands there is a good chance we will be anchored in 5th place by the end of the weekend. Only weeks ago people were on here laughing about playing Sheffield, a 'mid tabled' club...
I also am not convinced that Neil Black is to blame here, Gary Moran is the GM, surely he must make the key decisions and handle the money and will ensure that the club is operating within the budget, hence why The Clan can recruit a netminder within a few hours of Holt taking an injury, yet we poodle along.
Personally, I would like to see a new GM appointed as I always maintain this club is complacent and could work much harder and achieve far far more.
The league is not gone quite yet, it we would need to go almost unbeaten until the end of March. Tough when we can barely win at Home anymore.... Clearly Corey and Rick will be out the door this season if they don't turn it around. With the squad signed this year there is really no excuse to be in this situation and had we taken action sooner to replace Miika, bring in cover for Schultz and that missing D we would probably be feeling optimistic heading into 2016.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 1, 2016 13:36:51 GMT
The panic for me started the day we brought in a replacement D and he was a little guy who was a frustrated forward and even then he only lasted a few weeks even though he had supposedly been in CM's radar for quite a while.
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Post by Shorty on Jan 1, 2016 14:39:22 GMT
I thought Lawrence was injury cover for Schultz. Albeit a bit late in coming.
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Post by PantherG on Jan 1, 2016 15:03:09 GMT
I thought Lawrence was injury cover for Schultz. Albeit a bit late in coming. Way way too late!!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 1, 2016 15:11:47 GMT
I thought Lawrence was injury cover for Schultz. Albeit a bit late in coming. Way way too late!! But doing a great job this year.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Jan 1, 2016 15:25:08 GMT
I think GM has a lot of say on the fixtures, and having shuff at xmas and Coventry at new year... kerching. Add Caps on 2nd Jan, a shoe in for a win to start the new year, I'm sure that was his thinking. Well Mr Moron, came off the wheels a bit didn't it? All these top quality games to tempt the fans over the festivities and didn't get anything like the results we needed let alone wanted. And the way Caps are playing we aren't guaranteed (or on current form) going to compete against them tomorrow either.
Is it too much to ask for the club to stop feeding the fans all the BS, we can see what's wrong, we might not be players or coaches, and those posters who deride others for having an opinion do them a disservice, but there are people who have watching hockey for many, many years. I can watch a game and see when a player makes mistakes or isn't trying, just because I'm not a hockey player is my view not valid?
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Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2016 15:50:58 GMT
For me the problem is the coaching and the lack of reaction to injuries from the management.
We have a coach who believes it is NOT his job to motivate players,that is quite unbelievable !
And we have a management team who lose their star forward for a long long time and knew it from the start,but did nothing to replace him. They then drip feed the fans lines of utter crap for weeks that said star forward was getting close to a return,when that was just blatant lies. They also lose a vital defensive unit when Waugh got injured and once again,knowing he was going to be out for a lengthy spell,did nothing about it,apart from eventually bringing in a known injured player,followed by signing a totally different type of player who was a useless liability.
If that wasn't enough,they then sit back for weeks watching their number one netminder struggle through injury whilst the team slides down the league table,but again do nothing about it until it's desperate times and far too late.
It simply is not good enough by far and Panthers just never ever learn..........is it really any wonder nobody wanted the coaching job at the end of last season,so we ended up with Neilson and "groundhog day" yet again !!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 15:53:35 GMT
For me the problem is the coaching and the lack of reaction to injuries from the management. We have a coach who believes it is NOT his job to motivate players,that is quite unbelievable ! And we have a management team who lose their star forward for a long long time and knew it from the start,but did nothing to replace him. They then drip feed the fans lines of utter crap for weeks that said star forward was getting close to a return,when that was just blatant lies. They also lose a vital defensive unit when Waugh got injured and once again,knowing he was going to be out for a lengthy spell,did nothing about it,apart from eventually bringing in a known injured player,followed by signing a totally different type of player who was a useless liability. If that wasn't enough,they then sit back for weeks watching their number one netminder struggle through injury whilst the team slides down the league table,but again do nothing about it until it's desperate times and far too late. It simply is not good enough by far and Panthers just never ever learn..........is it really any wonder nobody wanted the coaching job at the end of last season,so we ended up with Neilson and "groundhog day" yet again !!!!!!!!! If, as you say, no-one wants the coaching job for the biggest team in the league then the question that needs to be asked is why?
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Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2016 15:59:54 GMT
Exactly Jonno. It does sound staggering looking at the nice shiny exterior facade of Panthers.
But they know that on the inside,it means working with Gary Moran and Neil Black and despite what they would like you to think regarding reputation etc,all is not good or what it seems.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 1, 2016 16:03:48 GMT
For me the problem is the coaching and the lack of reaction to injuries from the management. We have a coach who believes it is NOT his job to motivate players,that is quite unbelievable ! And we have a management team who lose their star forward for a long long time and knew it from the start,but did nothing to replace him. They then drip feed the fans lines of utter crap for weeks that said star forward was getting close to a return,when that was just blatant lies. They also lose a vital defensive unit when Waugh got injured and once again,knowing he was going to be out for a lengthy spell,did nothing about it,apart from eventually bringing in a known injured player,followed by signing a totally different type of player who was a useless liability. If that wasn't enough,they then sit back for weeks watching their number one netminder struggle through injury whilst the team slides down the league table,but again do nothing about it until it's desperate times and far too late. It simply is not good enough by far and Panthers just never ever learn..........is it really any wonder nobody wanted the coaching job at the end of last season,so we ended up with Neilson and "groundhog day" yet again !!!!!!!!! Something to do with being comfortable and from what I have seen (not looked at numbers) crowd numbers going up this year too? Someone somewhere thinks he is doing his job perfectly?
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Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2016 16:18:44 GMT
To be honest though FS. Panthers is a very easy sell.
I would hazard a guess that if we had Kelman,Simmsey or pretty much any knowledgeable person running the show,then the NIC would be full most games.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Jan 1, 2016 16:19:44 GMT
Money talks, Neil Black puts in for the team, Gary Moran sells the tickets and They're happy in the knowledge they've made a profit. Would love to see a big shake up right through the club. GM is far too set in his ways and won't shake from what he thinks is right, the coaches can recruit the players but seem to have struggled to get the results tha past few years, my opinion on the strength and conditioning and gym training side is that we're lacking in real expertise. And why we continue to take a bus to Scotland for 6 hours when they can jump on a plane for what £50 a head? Look at what Todd Kelman did in Belfast and now Cardiff. Be good to have a GM like him to come it and sort us out
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 1, 2016 16:21:52 GMT
To be honest though FS. Panthers is a very easy sell. I would hazard a guess that if we had Kelman,Simmsey or pretty much any knowledgeable person running the show,then the NIC would be full most games. Yes I agree. Shooting fish in a barrel and this gives people a false sense of achievement but I don't see any reality check coming any time soon unfortunately.
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Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2016 16:34:23 GMT
Well I for one cannot wait until the day GM disappears into the sunset,because only then will we see the real potential of Panthers.
Can you imagine,if we could find a guy with the hockey knowledge of Kelman coupled with the enthusiasm of Simmsey ? If we did then we would have one heck of a team and the NIC would be full and rocking every night !
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Post by PantherG on Jan 1, 2016 16:59:12 GMT
Exactly Jonno. It does sound staggering looking at the nice shiny exterior facade of Panthers. But they know that on the inside,it means working with Gary Moran and Neil Black and despite what they would like you to think regarding reputation etc,all is not good or what it seems. Neil Black is not the issue... He's not that hands on... Someone else is the issue.. No guesses to who I suspect is the problem!
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Post by PantherG on Jan 1, 2016 17:01:49 GMT
Well I for one cannot wait until the day GM disappears into the sunset,because only then will we see the real potential of Panthers. Can you imagine,if we could find a guy with the hockey knowledge of Kelman coupled with the enthusiasm of Simmsey ? If we did then we would have one heck of a team and the NIC would be full and rocking every night ! Kelman is the benchmark we should be aiming for with a GM. I know a number of fans who won't step foot in the NIC while he is in charge and a sponsor told me that he is extremely difficult to deal with.
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Post by Mark on Jan 1, 2016 18:17:16 GMT
For me the problem is the coaching and the lack of reaction to injuries from the management. We have a coach who believes it is NOT his job to motivate players,that is quite unbelievable ! And we have a management team who lose their star forward for a long long time and knew it from the start,but did nothing to replace him. They then drip feed the fans lines of utter crap for weeks that said star forward was getting close to a return,when that was just blatant lies. They also lose a vital defensive unit when Waugh got injured and once again,knowing he was going to be out for a lengthy spell,did nothing about it,apart from eventually bringing in a known injured player,followed by signing a totally different type of player who was a useless liability. If that wasn't enough,they then sit back for weeks watching their number one netminder struggle through injury whilst the team slides down the league table,but again do nothing about it until it's desperate times and far too late. It simply is not good enough by far and Panthers just never ever learn..........is it really any wonder nobody wanted the coaching job at the end of last season,so we ended up with Neilson and "groundhog day" yet again !!!!!!!!! Saved me posting.
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Post by dp on Jan 1, 2016 18:27:23 GMT
I think even if we pick up form to the levels at the start of the season the best we can hope for is 3rd or 4th now. Every team is going to lose games between now and the end of the season - and that includes Panthers.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 1, 2016 18:28:47 GMT
I think even if we pick up form to the levels at the start of the season the best we can hope for is 3rd or 4th now. Every team is going to lose games between now and the end of the season - and that includes Panthers. It will be the team that can put together a bit of a run who will put pressure on the rest.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Jan 1, 2016 19:41:44 GMT
Exactly Jonno. It does sound staggering looking at the nice shiny exterior facade of Panthers. But they know that on the inside,it means working with Gary Moran and Neil Black and despite what they would like you to think regarding reputation etc,all is not good or what it seems. Neil Black is not the issue... He's not that hands on... Someone else is the issue.. No guesses to who I suspect is the problem! How many times has it been said that this player or that player won't come to the club because of a particular person? Is a shake up needed? Yes on many levels.
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Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2016 21:27:03 GMT
A shake up is most definitely needed Robbie.......ive been there,GM is a nightmare and totally pig ignorant to deal with.
Several years ago,a friend of mine who happened to be the MD of a well known local radio station warned me of similar experiences they had had with him. At the time I didn't listen,but I wish I had because they were spot on correct.
There are so many instances of his arrogance and bad attitude towards both sponsors and players it would make you cringe !
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