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Post by pingchowchi on Dec 19, 2015 23:22:29 GMT
Good. Because you're talking complete crap. Maybe your 'tough guy' will think twice before headhunting next time. Marsh isn't our tough guy, he is fifth on the list. at least he had the chance to see the hit that felled him, that's more than Marsh gave moran, you seem to forget that in every post you make.
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Post by coogamooga on Dec 19, 2015 23:25:22 GMT
Fair fight and fair dues to Marsh for standing up to the plate. Happened right in front of me and those who gloated over the injury should be ashamed. As for Hervato, how on earth did he beat Bowns to motm! And really showed he's a true professional at the end. Keep it on the ice bud!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2015 23:30:58 GMT
Marsh isn't our tough guy, he is fifth on the list. at least he had the chance to see the hit that felled him, that's more than Marsh gave moran, you seem to forget that in every post you make. This happens to all as we get older. Part of life's pathway. I'd probably knock him down to 7th on the list now, or possibly 8th.
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Post by kievthegreat on Dec 19, 2015 23:44:00 GMT
at least he had the chance to see the hit that felled him, that's more than Marsh gave moran, you seem to forget that in every post you make. This happens to all as we get older. Part of life's pathway. I'd probably knock him down to 7th on the list now, or possibly 8th. Damn Jordannooooooo, that's stone cold.
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Post by cjmatt42 on Dec 19, 2015 23:46:25 GMT
Well... starting with the positives, Cam has clearly sent a message we are not to be messed with, while you don't want to see players getting hurt, Marsh acted recklessly at best, disgustingly dirty in all likelihood 2 weeks ago and he has got his comeuppance. I love the game of Hockey as players are held accountable for their actions. Marsh made a very very dirty play on a top end skilled player. His actions were challenged and he couldn't back them up. Other players around the league will take note.
Away from this there wasn't a lot positive to note. For me I think we have a number of problems that need addressing quickly. The first is the massive problem of goaltending. If Wiikman is suffering still with illness don't start him, give 3 goals away in 25 minutes and pull him. Give Green the start, play accordingly and give yourselves the best chance to win. More worrying for me though is that I don't think Wiikman is up to the task night in night out , in the last month we simply aren't getting goaltending of the standard required to win tight games. We were spoilt with K-Wall for 5 years who would bail the team out when the D went missing. Wikman had great figures early doors on the back of some good defensive displays. When the onus has been on him the last few weeks to make big saves they aren't coming. Take Bowns for example tonight, made a couple of great saves robbing Panthers players. That earns you the luck along the way.
Now the D! I really don't know what's going on, Hardy has come in and is more bothered about going forward than defending. That's fine, there is a position in the game for offensive D Men, My issue is this type of player needs pairing with your strongest Defensive player. Instead we have him paired with his partner in crime Stevie Lee. This pairing is asking for goals to go in against us. Swapping Hardy and Swindlehurst makes more sense if you don't want to split Schmidt and Dimman up. Personally though if this is the 6 we have I'd have Schmidt with Hardy as you know you'll get some sort of defensive coverage.
This team though really needs to start making simple plays in their own end. Tonight Cardiff have come and really have done very little to earn 5 goals. They gave a lot in their own end and put bodies on the line to keep us to 3 but at the other end didn't offer much at all. We simply gifted goals. Their 3rd and 4th both came from giving the puck away in our end trying to make difficult plays. If you're under pressure and don't have an out ice the puck rather than attempting backhand saucer passes off the boards to players still in our end!
The final big problem tonight was the Powerplay, hopefully a returning Schultz and Moran can breath some life into this but it's so 1 dimensional. Devils got 1 PP opportunity and you could feel a goal coming. They dropped a player behind our goal to get the D and Goaltender turning their head. We just don't use this as an option on the power play, everything is in front of not trying to set one 1 of 3 players up for a shot with traffic from the other 2. While this blocks goaltenders site of the puck it leaves a lot of players a shot from the point has to beat as we saw on the hundreds of occasions we seemed to hit our own players on the PP. Spread out, use all of the ice and make space for a good scoring opportunity.
We have a huge game tomorrow now. This is simply a must win game to try and get some momentum going into a packed Xmas period with massive games v Steelers. On current form we will take two beatings and our chances of the tile disappear with them.
For me the answer is there somewhere, the players are good enough and I believe Corey can get the coaching right but there is a real need to arrest this horrible slide in form. Maybe going to Manchester tomorrow, play a tight, negative road game, nick a couple of goals and win 2-0, 2-1 and the season can get back on track.
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Post by Higgy on Dec 20, 2015 0:07:54 GMT
Well... starting with the positives, Cam has clearly sent a message we are not to be messed with, while you don't want to see players getting hurt, Marsh acted recklessly at best, disgustingly dirty in all likelihood 2 weeks ago and he has got his comeuppance. I love the game of Hockey as players are held accountable for their actions. Marsh made a very very dirty play on a top end skilled player. His actions were challenged and he couldn't back them up. Other players around the league will take note. Away from this there wasn't a lot positive to note. For me I think we have a number of problems that need addressing quickly. The first is the massive problem of goaltending. If Wiikman is suffering still with illness don't start him, give 3 goals away in 25 minutes and pull him. Give Green the start, play accordingly and give yourselves the best chance to win. More worrying for me though is that I don't think Wiikman is up to the task night in night out , in the last month we simply aren't getting goaltending of the standard required to win tight games. We were spoilt with K-Wall for 5 years who would bail the team out when the D went missing. Wikman had great figures early doors on the back of some good defensive displays. When the onus has been on him the last few weeks to make big saves they aren't coming. Take Bowns for example tonight, made a couple of great saves robbing Panthers players. That earns you the luck along the way. Now the D! I really don't know what's going on, Hardy has come in and is more bothered about going forward than defending. That's fine, there is a position in the game for offensive D Men, My issue is this type of player needs pairing with your strongest Defensive player. Instead we have him paired with his partner in crime Stevie Lee. This pairing is asking for goals to go in against us. Swapping Hardy and Swindlehurst makes more sense if you don't want to split Schmidt and Dimman up. Personally though if this is the 6 we have I'd have Schmidt with Hardy as you know you'll get some sort of defensive coverage. This team though really needs to start making simple plays in their own end. Tonight Cardiff have come and really have done very little to earn 5 goals. They gave a lot in their own end and put bodies on the line to keep us to 3 but at the other end didn't offer much at all. We simply gifted goals. Their 3rd and 4th both came from giving the puck away in our end trying to make difficult plays. If you're under pressure and don't have an out ice the puck rather than attempting backhand saucer passes off the boards to players still in our end! The final big problem tonight was the Powerplay, hopefully a returning Schultz and Moran can breath some life into this but it's so 1 dimensional. Devils got 1 PP opportunity and you could feel a goal coming. They dropped a player behind our goal to get the D and Goaltender turning their head. We just don't use this as an option on the power play, everything is in front of not trying to set one 1 of 3 players up for a shot with traffic from the other 2. While this blocks goaltenders site of the puck it leaves a lot of players a shot from the point has to beat as we saw on the hundreds of occasions we seemed to hit our own players on the PP. Spread out, use all of the ice and make space for a good scoring opportunity. We have a huge game tomorrow now. This is simply a must win game to try and get some momentum going into a packed Xmas period with massive games v Steelers. On current form we will take two beatings and our chances of the tile disappear with them. For me the answer is there somewhere, the players are good enough and I believe Corey can get the coaching right but there is a real need to arrest this horrible slide in form. Maybe going to Manchester tomorrow, play a tight, negative road game, nick a couple of goals and win 2-0, 2-1 and the season can get back on track. Basically this,great post
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 0:09:56 GMT
I'm not sure how anyone can say we didn't play well in that game. Thought we dominated for large parts, particularly the 2nd, & a combination of the pipework, some poor finishing & Bowns won Cardiff the points. Listening to Corey he echoes this in his post game interview. The website says 6 pipework hits, I counted 4 I think.
As I said in my earlier post, we'll play far worse than that & win.
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Post by iginla on Dec 20, 2015 0:20:11 GMT
Well where to start with that game ?
Well done Cam,Marsh deserved all he got,hope he is ok long term,but I also hope he misses as many games as Brad Moran. The powerplay awful. Stevie Lee even worse.
But as I see it,the biggest problem is the Brits letting us down,apart from Myers and Swindlehurst they are playing so poorly. Clarkey,Lacho and Farmer are anonymous and producing next to nothing,Oakford well where is he and as for Stevie Lee he is fast becoming a real liability.
Five losses in the last seven games now......very poor !
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Post by spik on Dec 20, 2015 0:21:16 GMT
Just want to say to the Cardiff posters including the now deleted one. You ARE getting respect from Panthers fans regards the post fight booing etc...they are here on this forum. What happened at the game , posters are in agreement with you. READ the thread posts and stop moaning about losing a fight. get happy with winning the game. We are your opposition, it clearly shows in the content of posts by devil fans. Most Panther fan posts here are complaining of the Nottingham teams failures. You just refer to a few punches all the time. The fight was a short burst of action. Done, sorted NOT thuggish.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 20, 2015 0:24:35 GMT
I'm not sure how anyone can say we didn't play well in that game. Thought we dominated for large parts, particularly the 2nd, & a combination of the pipework, some poor finishing & Bowns won Cardiff the points. Listening to Corey he echoes this in his post game interview. The website says 6 pipework hits, I counted 4 I think. As I said in my earlier post, we'll play far worse than that & win. Bottom line is you can't keep giving teams head starts and this has gone on for weeks now. We have been flattered by some huge fighting performances and sooner or later it had to start going wrong. This is a Panthers forum and we are Panthers fans but in all honesty I think we showed some good pressure (in desperation) on and off but the best team, the one that kept it tight at the back and then took their chances won tonight.
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Post by iginla on Dec 20, 2015 0:31:01 GMT
Oh well,it's nice to know that our coach is "a little disappointed" after losing the biggest game of the season so far !!!!!!!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 20, 2015 0:33:44 GMT
Well where to start with that game ? Well done Cam,Marsh deserved all he got,hope he is ok long term,but I also hope he misses as many games as Brad Moran. The powerplay awful. Stevie Lee even worse. But as I see it,the biggest problem is the Brits letting us down,apart from Myers and Swindlehurst they are playing so poorly. Clarkey,Lacho and Farmer are anonymous and producing next to nothing,Oakford well where is he and as for Stevie Lee he is fast becoming a real liability. Five losses in the last seven games now......very poor ! Lee is woeful and to keep playing him on the same pairing (and on the powerplay too) is just trying to prove a point which will either prove to be sheer brilliance or it will crash and burn. My money is on burn. Farmer is a great agitator and a great Brit forward but he can only do one or the other. Spending the night winding players up then wrestling just kills his game as far as points are concerned. Lacho is struggling against the bigger teams with bigger players and his constant passing when he has a clear chance to shoot shows a huge lack of confidence. Obviously missing players are hurting us but constantly changing lines, a wobbly netminder and a defence straight out of the CN early years is going to have us slide down the table pdq.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 20, 2015 0:36:51 GMT
Well... starting with the positives, Cam has clearly sent a message we are not to be messed with, while you don't want to see players getting hurt, Marsh acted recklessly at best, disgustingly dirty in all likelihood 2 weeks ago and he has got his comeuppance. I love the game of Hockey as players are held accountable for their actions. Marsh made a very very dirty play on a top end skilled player. His actions were challenged and he couldn't back them up. Other players around the league will take note. Away from this there wasn't a lot positive to note. For me I think we have a number of problems that need addressing quickly. The first is the massive problem of goaltending. If Wiikman is suffering still with illness don't start him, give 3 goals away in 25 minutes and pull him. Give Green the start, play accordingly and give yourselves the best chance to win. More worrying for me though is that I don't think Wiikman is up to the task night in night out , in the last month we simply aren't getting goaltending of the standard required to win tight games. We were spoilt with K-Wall for 5 years who would bail the team out when the D went missing. Wikman had great figures early doors on the back of some good defensive displays. When the onus has been on him the last few weeks to make big saves they aren't coming. Take Bowns for example tonight, made a couple of great saves robbing Panthers players. That earns you the luck along the way. Now the D! I really don't know what's going on, Hardy has come in and is more bothered about going forward than defending. That's fine, there is a position in the game for offensive D Men, My issue is this type of player needs pairing with your strongest Defensive player. Instead we have him paired with his partner in crime Stevie Lee. This pairing is asking for goals to go in against us. Swapping Hardy and Swindlehurst makes more sense if you don't want to split Schmidt and Dimman up. Personally though if this is the 6 we have I'd have Schmidt with Hardy as you know you'll get some sort of defensive coverage. This team though really needs to start making simple plays in their own end. Tonight Cardiff have come and really have done very little to earn 5 goals. They gave a lot in their own end and put bodies on the line to keep us to 3 but at the other end didn't offer much at all. We simply gifted goals. Their 3rd and 4th both came from giving the puck away in our end trying to make difficult plays. If you're under pressure and don't have an out ice the puck rather than attempting backhand saucer passes off the boards to players still in our end! The final big problem tonight was the Powerplay, hopefully a returning Schultz and Moran can breath some life into this but it's so 1 dimensional. Devils got 1 PP opportunity and you could feel a goal coming. They dropped a player behind our goal to get the D and Goaltender turning their head. We just don't use this as an option on the power play, everything is in front of not trying to set one 1 of 3 players up for a shot with traffic from the other 2. While this blocks goaltenders site of the puck it leaves a lot of players a shot from the point has to beat as we saw on the hundreds of occasions we seemed to hit our own players on the PP. Spread out, use all of the ice and make space for a good scoring opportunity. We have a huge game tomorrow now. This is simply a must win game to try and get some momentum going into a packed Xmas period with massive games v Steelers. On current form we will take two beatings and our chances of the tile disappear with them. For me the answer is there somewhere, the players are good enough and I believe Corey can get the coaching right but there is a real need to arrest this horrible slide in form. Maybe going to Manchester tomorrow, play a tight, negative road game, nick a couple of goals and win 2-0, 2-1 and the season can get back on track. Schmidt getting so far forward now is a HUGE problem. He has covered more miles on the ice in the last 5 games than he did all last season.
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Post by iginla on Dec 20, 2015 0:53:17 GMT
I agree with you FS about the pairing of Lee and Hardy......together they are just a car crash !
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Post by Caesar on Dec 20, 2015 2:24:22 GMT
8 pages in a game thread. We must have lost
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Post by titch on Dec 20, 2015 3:26:55 GMT
First of all, as others have said, Marsh deserved the beating, I can only imagine that 99% of Panthers fans are hoping Marsh is OK and isn't injured and comes back with only a broken ego, at least he had a chance to stand up for him self unlike Moran. If anything, losing Moran has lost us big momentum going into the block of away fixtures and Marsh has done us more harm than we thought, like I said, he deserved the beating.
As for the game, yes, we didn't play too great in the final period but at the same time, the defensive play and netminding by the Devils was simply fantastic, it didn't feel like we had 4~ minutes of powerplay because they defended it very well. Although, on another night, we could have had 7-8 goals as the paint on the goals were keeping us out! I'm also very very disappointed by the atmosphere and the booing of our players by "fans". The atmosphere was absolutely awful and sounded like a library at most parts, so many "fans" who just sit there with several beers and shout out abuse rather than sing/clap and support the boys, terrible.
Also, we've won 5 out of the last 11 games with 9 of them being away fixtures and lots of travelling along with missing key players and having to sign new players, I don't know what all the fuss is about? Our fixture's from now until the end of January look very good with Cardiff being the furthest and hardest team to play.
Have you seen the Squeelers fixture list in January? They've got 7 away games mixed with 4 home games that take them to Edinburgh, Belfast, Cardiff and Dundee, etc. Panthers have 7 home games with away fixtures against Cardiff, Squeelers, Storm & Giants, we are going through the hardest pack of fixtures right now and I don't think we're doing too bad with all things considered.
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Post by Mark on Dec 20, 2015 3:35:26 GMT
Not much to add really, everything has been covered. The three main concerns for me are, Wiikman, doesn't seem to be at the races. Give the bloke the time to get back to 100% and get some cover in, the current situation is doing us no favours at all. When are we going to stop giving up two goal leads? This is our biggest problem, we are left continually chasing the game and exacerbates all other issues, we really need to tighten up early doors. The powerplay is still shocking. Slow, predictable and poorly organised, Steve Lee isn't capable of backstopping it successfully but seems to be a permanent fixture. Neilson should show more flexibility and change it.
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 20, 2015 8:03:54 GMT
8 pages in a game thread. We must have lost It was nearly 5 before a puck was dropped.... We must have had lots of multi page threads lately as we're losing lots of games. Off to Manchester soon hoping we can tighten up at the back and give ourselves a chance of the 2 points.
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Post by wgray on Dec 20, 2015 9:10:09 GMT
Good job by Cam on showing tonight that we aren't a team that is to be picked on, but unfortunately the damage has been done by Marsh in taking Moran out for this period of time, it is no coincidence that this poor run has come about whilst Moran has been out, he brings so much to the table and unfortunately we have been without it
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Post by Ghost on Dec 20, 2015 10:01:42 GMT
Wouldn't go in for us plain and simple, it happens.
Thought Lawrence was our best player and he only lost 2-3 face-offs all night.
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Post by ab74 on Dec 20, 2015 10:02:42 GMT
Just throwing this out there as ive read people mentioning our recent downturn in form. You should check when Farmer came back into the line up As for the game i thought it was enjoyable, just the wrong result. Most physical game ive seen in a while. Cardiff deserved it though, much more clinical when attacking and some nicely taken goals.
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Post by PantherTom on Dec 20, 2015 10:20:02 GMT
I'm not sure how anyone can say we didn't play well in that game. Thought we dominated for large parts, particularly the 2nd, & a combination of the pipework, some poor finishing & Bowns won Cardiff the points. Listening to Corey he echoes this in his post game interview. The website says 6 pipework hits, I counted 4 I think. As I said in my earlier post, we'll play far worse than that & win. Thought we were the better team all game! Cardiff just took every chance they got!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 10:21:36 GMT
I'm not sure how anyone can say we didn't play well in that game. Thought we dominated for large parts, particularly the 2nd, & a combination of the pipework, some poor finishing & Bowns won Cardiff the points. Listening to Corey he echoes this in his post game interview. The website says 6 pipework hits, I counted 4 I think. As I said in my earlier post, we'll play far worse than that & win. Bottom line is you can't keep giving teams head starts and this has gone on for weeks now. We have been flattered by some huge fighting performances and sooner or later it had to start going wrong. This is a Panthers forum and we are Panthers fans but in all honesty I think we showed some good pressure (in desperation) on and off but the best team, the one that kept it tight at the back and then took their chances won tonight. I don't think you can label Cardiff the better team last night but I agree with the rest of your post.
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Post by panthers4ever on Dec 20, 2015 10:33:37 GMT
Got to agree with others we can't keep giving 2-3 goals lead to teams
Well done cam for showing all other teams you can't get away with what March did ( Hope he is alright though ) but got what he deserved
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 10:42:29 GMT
Oh, if anyone wants a good laugh this Morning go read the inferno. A couple of idiots on there wanting Cam arrested....
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