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Post by wgray on Dec 11, 2015 21:49:55 GMT
I'm glad to know in not the only one who thinks Wiikman has been poor in the last few games, very very strange
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Post by ted logan on Dec 11, 2015 21:50:40 GMT
Got to agree with Iginla here, we should have travelled up yesterday Ridiculous penny pinching decision.
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Post by panthersdave on Dec 11, 2015 21:57:17 GMT
Since Kyle Hardy came in our defence has been poor.
Has he upset the balance of the team?
(Not saying he's a bad hockey player before anyone starts)
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Post by allingtonskates on Dec 11, 2015 21:58:33 GMT
I'm glad to know in not the only one who thinks Wiikman has been poor in the last few games, very very strange very poor something must be wrong because he started so good. It might be a modig copy who comes in strong and slows down
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Post by Discoray on Dec 11, 2015 22:06:33 GMT
Got to agree with Iginla here, we should have travelled up yesterday Ridiculous penny pinching decision. To be honest not as much to do with money as you may think. While it has been Clan players I've asked about this, I've put the same question to quite a lot of them about leaving early for a long or extended road trip. Nearly all of them said they'd take more time in their own beds as possible over even leaving ahead of time. Many are quite comfortable on the bus, even for sleeping. Some guys that have played AHL/ECHL have done 24 hour bus trips quite often, so the ones here in the UK are a cakewalk to virtually all of them.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 11, 2015 22:30:50 GMT
Bad day at the office, but I don't think scapegoating gets us anywhere, particularly Miika who's been excellent.
Need to beat the Purples tomorrow though.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Dec 11, 2015 22:48:13 GMT
Since Kyle Hardy came in our defence has been poor. Has he upset the balance of the team? (Not saying he's a bad hockey player before anyone starts) From what I've heard Hardy was one of a select few that bothered to turn up tonight, few people seem to be getting on his back and i don't see what wring he's doing in all honesty he's shown up stronger than Lee has thus far. Balance might be off but how that has melted us down i don't know. We need to tighten up, use our forecheck and apply pressure. Simple passes from the D and a no nonsense attitude will sort it all out we have the team to win.
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Post by panthersdave on Dec 11, 2015 22:53:03 GMT
Since Kyle Hardy came in our defence has been poor. Has he upset the balance of the team? (Not saying he's a bad hockey player before anyone starts) From what I've heard Hardy was one of a select few that bothered to turn up tonight, few people seem to be getting on his back and i don't see what wring he's doing in all honesty he's shown up stronger than Lee has thus far. Balance might be off but how that has melted us down i don't know. We need to tighten up, use our forecheck and apply pressure. Simple passes from the D and a no nonsense attitude will sort it all out we have the team to win. Like I said in the original post, I am not saying he's a bad player. He seems to move the puck well and is a good fast skater. However, since he came in we are playing less than .500 hockey, the stats don't lie. Coincidence, perhaps but the fact remains since he came in to what was a very solid D corps, our results have been average.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 11, 2015 22:54:34 GMT
We've also gone from a home heavy schedule, to a road heavy one, since Hardy turned up.
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Post by panthersdave on Dec 11, 2015 22:56:09 GMT
We've also gone from a home heavy schedule, to a road heavy one, since Hardy turned up. Also very true. Are you suggesting we are Homers?
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Post by Yotes on Dec 11, 2015 22:59:36 GMT
Haha, no not really, I never like to channel my inner Thommo but I think there was always likely to be a bit of a levelling off. We're what, 3 & 4 since and 6 of them have been on the road I think?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2015 23:00:49 GMT
Haha, no not really, I never like to channel my inner Thommo but I think there was always likely to be a bit of a levelling off. We're what, 3 & 4 since and 6 of them have been on the road I think? This. Spot on. Cardiff are potentially better than us. Our home heavy schedule masks us a little.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Dec 11, 2015 23:35:03 GMT
From what I've heard Hardy was one of a select few that bothered to turn up tonight, few people seem to be getting on his back and i don't see what wring he's doing in all honesty he's shown up stronger than Lee has thus far. Balance might be off but how that has melted us down i don't know. We need to tighten up, use our forecheck and apply pressure. Simple passes from the D and a no nonsense attitude will sort it all out we have the team to win. Like I said in the original post, I am not saying he's a bad player. He seems to move the puck well and is a good fast skater. However, since he came in we are playing less than .500 hockey, the stats don't lie. Coincidence, perhaps but the fact remains since he came in to what was a very solid D corps, our results have been average. It's a team sport, what excuses do we have for the other d pairings when they aren't up to scratch? He's not on the ice more than 20 mins a game so as far as I'm concerned it's a team issue not just down to him. Wiikman has been sub par lately letting in soft goals. Lee isn't the same hasn't been all season. We seem to have taken out foot off the gas lately not able to get zone time offensively and all d pairings seem to mess around in their own zone too much.
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Post by PantherG on Dec 11, 2015 23:41:42 GMT
Shambolic from a team with pretentions of winning the league. Agree about Wilkman, seems to have gone off the boil, his early doors save percentage is down the toilet. To be fair the defence was abysmal tonight. Watch the highlights and you'll see how bad.
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Post by panthersdave on Dec 12, 2015 0:14:23 GMT
Like I said in the original post, I am not saying he's a bad player. He seems to move the puck well and is a good fast skater. However, since he came in we are playing less than .500 hockey, the stats don't lie. Coincidence, perhaps but the fact remains since he came in to what was a very solid D corps, our results have been average. It's a team sport, what excuses do we have for the other d pairings when they aren't up to scratch? He's not on the ice more than 20 mins a game so as far as I'm concerned it's a team issue not just down to him. Wiikman has been sub par lately letting in soft goals. Lee isn't the same hasn't been all season. We seem to have taken out foot off the gas lately not able to get zone time offensively and all d pairings seem to mess around in their own zone too much. AGAIN never said it was his fault (try reading my post, rather than the bits you want to read) I rate him as a player however I merely pointed out that him being brought in has coincided with us shipping more goals - that is a fact. He seems to want to carry the puck out rather than pass it, which seemed to be working all season. I think someone pointed out he appeared to be trying too hard in our home game against Sheffield. It seems ok on here to state that Wiikman is off form after tonight - how many of the four would he want back tonight? I would suggest none. And Hardy logs way more minutes than 20, he's a permanent fixture on the PP, or so it seems.
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Post by Mark on Dec 12, 2015 0:16:35 GMT
Shambolic from a team with pretentions of winning the league. Agree about Wilkman, seems to have gone off the boil, his early doors save percentage is down the toilet. To be fair the defence was abysmal tonight. Watch the highlights and you'll see how bad. Fair point about the defence and I'm not particularly singling Wilkman out, but his performances have dropped off a little of late in my opinion. It is however a team game and I' m just wondering if the Panthers flatter to deceive? Brilliant and abysmal in equal measure, with some average performances masked by a decent workrate. Not really sure what to make of it. Maybe after the next two games things will be clearer? It's pretty obvious a reaction tomorrow should be expected.
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Post by Pies on Dec 12, 2015 0:17:09 GMT
We just didn't turn up tonight.
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Post by iginla on Dec 12, 2015 0:44:20 GMT
A very very bad night,but chickens coming home to roost i'm afraid. Players tired,missing two top forwards,nine hours on a coach on game day,Wiikman was bailing them out earlier on in the season,loads of early season home games clouding how good the first 15 game start was etc etc.
Mmmm,now where did you read that before ?
Having said that we are still a decent team,but to win we have to work hard and we have to forecheck well,when we forecheck hard we win.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 12, 2015 1:11:01 GMT
The defence was utterly woeful tonight. Terrible positioning and every time Lee even saw a blue line he was smashing pucks into a smothered goal area (post once too) and for gods sake you can fall for a certain play a couple of times but it was happening all night. MW was very poor tonight (was he pulled or did he stomp off in a huff? Didn't see and was going to ask someone but lost interest and forgot) the second in particular was very soft. Passing was woeful all over the ice, Bohmbach was terrible (VERY unusual), Lacho looks smaller with every game and to be honest it's the worst performance of the season so far by a country mile.
Plus points were Hardy who never seems to give up and of course the Stars were spot on and well deserved the very one sided win. Well drilled and disciplined and and looked on top from the anthem onwards. Simple game played very well and must have thought Christmas had come early.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 12, 2015 1:17:55 GMT
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Post by panthers_nyr on Dec 12, 2015 1:50:10 GMT
Miika's brother has stated on the Facebook group that he said to him he hasn't been feeling too good with a temperature and stomach bug last few days and his brother was expecting him not to play tonight. Seems like the reason he has been slightly off form recently.
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Post by Bagheera on Dec 12, 2015 8:09:54 GMT
From watching the webcast my thoughts were. Wiikman was average not poor. The 2 reasons we lost were an aweful defensive display where the stars seemed to just be skating round cones to get clear chances. And Lakosil. Acctually think we looked decent going forward. Created plenty of chances and had made some decent shots which on most nights would have seen plenty more goals. Sometimes a goalie just stands on his head. Unfortunatly on those nights you have to ensure you keep it tight at the back.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 12, 2015 9:06:18 GMT
From watching the webcast my thoughts were. Wiikman was average not poor. The 2 reasons we lost were an aweful defensive display where the stars seemed to just be skating round cones to get clear chances. And Lakosil. Acctually think we looked decent going forward. Created plenty of chances and had made some decent shots which on most nights would have seen plenty more goals. Sometimes a goalie just stands on his head. Unfortunatly on those nights you have to ensure you keep it tight at the back. Sounds about right to me. Noticeable that Lakosil got their MOM too. This result puts even more pressure on the next 2 games as anything less than 4 points from this weekend would be a poor return.
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Post by wgray on Dec 12, 2015 9:32:49 GMT
Lakosil made 44 saves last night so offensively our lack of goals can be understood to an extent
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Post by wannabe2 on Dec 12, 2015 9:54:49 GMT
In fairness I thought the Stars played very well last night, they have some very good players in there squad, Panthers on there last visit to Cardiff were the best team I have watched this season. Thought Hardy had a good game, Scotland is always a tough place to go to and get results.
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