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Post by panthers4ever on Oct 29, 2015 7:45:59 GMT
All the cest Schultz lets hope its has bad has it looked
Credit to the Caps players for helping with the Schultz injury
2 points but dire from Panthers
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 29, 2015 10:28:47 GMT
Not sure why the NIC is getting so much grief over the delay getting assistance down to the ice. Unless things have changed recently the NIC was/is responsible for punter safety (hence the St John's staff in that room behind Block 5) whereas the Panthers were responsible for providing medical cover for the match itself.
This 'home team provides medical cover' is pretty much universal in professional hockey leagues world over, with home teams supposed to provide a medic (doctor) for providing at the scene assessment. Indeed I previously worked with a medic who was the 'Panthers Doctor' but having not seen him in a while I'm not sure of the current procedures on match night.
As for the actions of the Caps players, whilst laudable, they could have caused more damage. One of the reasons for having a medic on stand-by rink side is in order to do a spinal clearance before a player is moved, especially after high energy impacts. Adrenaline will hide a multitude of sins, which is why we're trained to ignore "I'm fine, get me up" and carry out a strict A to E assessment after such incidents.
As an aside, a spinal board can be purchased for as little as about £160. If Panthers don't have one already perhaps they should consider getting one?
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Post by Caesar on Oct 29, 2015 11:54:00 GMT
I don't get all this hysteria about the length of time it took for the stretcher to arrive. I've seen quite a few bad injuries happen on sports fields and in my experience the first thing to be done is a proper assessment of what's happened. Moving the patient without first finding out what's happened can often cause more damage. Schultz was obviously distressed but would getting him off the ice two minutes quicker have made a lot of difference to his treatment? No. In my opinion we did exactly the right thing, find out what was wrong then move him. If we could look back at the footage in real time then I think you'd all be surprised at how quickly it actually happened. There are a few folks on here who I think work in the medical profession (tootootrain is one I think) and I'm pretty sure they'd agree with me.
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Post by claretgiant on Oct 29, 2015 13:19:12 GMT
I would like to pass on my best wishes and a speedy recovery to Shultz, it sounded to be a bad injury....no one likes to hear of a hockey player getting a bad injury
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Post by fishman on Oct 29, 2015 13:51:55 GMT
Does anyone know what happened, I was at the game but didn't see the incident, Jordan Steel as a dislocated shoulder so he will be out for a few weeks,. Speedy recovery to both.
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Post by Carnell on Oct 29, 2015 14:09:44 GMT
Does anyone know what happened, I was at the game but didn't see the incident It looked to me like Shultz went to hit the caps player centre ice, but somehow the Caps guy either lost an edge or balance & fell feet first towards Shultz and basically delivered a two footed tackle to his ankles. (obv. this two footed tackle was completely accidently) I may be wrong but that's what I recall
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Post by GuinnessMan on Oct 29, 2015 14:29:51 GMT
I don't get all this hysteria about the length of time it took for the stretcher to arrive. I've seen quite a few bad injuries happen on sports fields and in my experience the first thing to be done is a proper assessment of what's happened. Moving the patient without first finding out what's happened can often cause more damage. Schultz was obviously distressed but would getting him off the ice two minutes quicker have made a lot of difference to his treatment? No. In my opinion we did exactly the right thing, find out what was wrong then move him. If we could look back at the footage in real time then I think you'd all be surprised at how quickly it actually happened. There are a few folks on here who I think work in the medical profession (tootootrain is one I think) and I'm pretty sure they'd agree with me. First of all, I am likely one of the least medical people I know, and I wasn't at the game (but followed it on twitter and felt peoples anxiety at the 'apparent' delay in getting a stretcher and medical help to Shultz). I would agree that proper assessment should be made before moving the patient in ensuring you do not make an injury worse. So I guess he questions from that would be a) did that on-ice assessment by a competent person / medical professional come quickly enough? and b) was the stretcher available once the assessment had concluded that he could be moved, or was there then a significant delay? I personally don't know the answers to either.
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Post by wgray on Oct 29, 2015 15:25:45 GMT
The injury to Schultz is a real punch in the gut
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Post by ted logan on Oct 29, 2015 16:53:28 GMT
I think our coach knows. He's the guy that said Edinburgh outbid us. Has anyone actually read this thread or the NEP article? Ted, people go on about our players wages all the time and alluded to other players salaries whilst talking about this. Did he mention reveal that too? Not from what I read. Personally, as far as this thread goes, the only player's salary that I've made reference to is the player in question. The only reference that CN made regarding player salaries was in direct reference to the player in question. I don't claim to know what our players earn or what other teams players earn. I've only ever been told once (by the player himself after a few beers) what one former Panthers player earned and it surprised me how low it was bearing in mind he was an established import. As I've already said (as have others) the quality of our import forwards this season is very, very good. Up until last night, we were/are maybe one quality D away from being serious contenders in all competitions this season and it would be nice to think that some of the money earmarked for Peckham would've been used to put that right before now.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 29, 2015 16:56:22 GMT
I would agree that proper assessment should be made before moving the patient in ensuring you do not make an injury worse. So I guess he questions from that would be a) did that on-ice assessment by a competent person / medical professional come quickly enough? and b) was the stretcher available once the assessment had concluded that he could be moved, or was there then a significant delay? I personally don't know the answers to either. a) Panthers physio quite quickly b) No there was a long delay to the point that the crowd were shouting and even the ref went off to see what the delay was. Quite shambolic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 9:34:40 GMT
I don't have an issue with waiting until you know he needs a stretcher. I still felt 2 whole minutes to locate a stretcher for a high-octane sport is far too long and Panthers repeated use of the word "eventually" when describing waiting for the stretcher shows how they feel about the whole thing.
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Post by Dan on Oct 30, 2015 10:29:37 GMT
You can't expect a stretcher to be brought onto the ice for every injury, 5 minutes seems a little slow but it looks like they followed protocol.
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Post by ManInBlack on Oct 30, 2015 10:50:41 GMT
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Post by Boyz22 on Oct 30, 2015 13:39:23 GMT
Just watched highlights... I've never seen Moran interview an opposition player before... He interviews Hayes (someone we wanted to sign in pre-season)... Anyone read into it that we're still after him and now Schultz is out its a decent replacement?
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 30, 2015 13:42:14 GMT
No break for Schultz. More tests next week. Good news for him. Sounds like it could be weeks rather than months. Fingers crossed.
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Post by Shorty on Oct 30, 2015 13:48:16 GMT
No break for Schultz. More tests next week. Good news for him. Sounds like it could be weeks rather than months. Fingers crossed. A break might have been better than ligament damage. It suggests he will be out for quite a while. "The update on Stephen Schultz makes less happy reading and he is sure to be out for a while. With the swelling still prominent he will undergo scans later today and he's booked in to see a specialist early next week. Meanwhile X-rays and other checks have confirmed there are no broken bones. Stephen made it in to the arena today to take part in the team photo shoot with those group shots on sale from the photo-desk as soon as possible."
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Post by Rob Scott on Oct 30, 2015 13:50:53 GMT
Strained ligaments could be a matter of weeks. If it's torn ligaments then they can be worse than a break and you could be looking at up to a year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2015 13:58:44 GMT
My guess is its badly sprained. Looking at 4-5 weeks . No way would he be stood up on a bench for a photo putting weight on it if he had torn them !!!
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Post by ted logan on Oct 30, 2015 14:19:42 GMT
Watching the highlights just confirmed what I thought on the night and that was how poor 2 calls in particular were:- the 'Instigator' on Bigos and the elbows call on Schultz.
Speaking of Schultz, his injury seemed to be caused by his leg kind of folding under the Caps player who was falling then landed full weight on Schultz's leg. Reports of the injury not looking to bad now, provided it's strained rather than torn ligaments.
Was a bit odd to see GM interview a member of the opposition post-game. Some 'tapping up' going off maybe.
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Post by Lord of the Rinks on Oct 30, 2015 15:19:12 GMT
Just watched highlights... I've never seen Moran interview an opposition player before... He interviews Hayes (someone we wanted to sign in pre-season)... Anyone read into it that we're still after him and now Schultz is out its a decent replacement? I was thinking the same thing, I hope the GM didn't scare Ryan Hayes off.
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Post by nate24 on Oct 30, 2015 16:39:46 GMT
I think it would be a real underhand move if we did this. We have the ability to find and sign any number of players and don't need to act like that.
I'm sure some won't care and say it's part of the game but it would be a prime of example of the big club abusing a lesser fortunate outfit.
I don't think we'd do it. It would just be a total lack of class.
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Post by fishman on Oct 30, 2015 17:17:47 GMT
Watching the highlights just confirmed what I thought on the night and that was how poor 2 calls in particular were:- the 'Instigator' on Bigos and the elbows call on Schultz. Speaking of Schultz, his injury seemed to be caused by his leg kind of folding under the Caps player who was falling then landed full weight on Schultz's leg. Reports of the injury not looking to bad now, provided it's strained rather than torn ligaments. Was a bit odd to see GM interview a member of the opposition post-game. Some 'tapping up' going off maybe. Also Jordan Steel was not involve in the Schultz incident it was Nate Fleming, Steel was cheek by Mosey and landed heavy and dislocated the shoulder
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Post by PantherTom on Oct 30, 2015 17:26:41 GMT
Watching the highlights just confirmed what I thought on the night and that was how poor 2 calls in particular were:- the 'Instigator' on Bigos and the elbows call on Schultz. Speaking of Schultz, his injury seemed to be caused by his leg kind of folding under the Caps player who was falling then landed full weight on Schultz's leg. Reports of the injury not looking to bad now, provided it's strained rather than torn ligaments. Was a bit odd to see GM interview a member of the opposition post-game. Some 'tapping up' going off maybe. It was defiantly an instigator, he just skated at dimmen and grabbed hold and removed his gloves? A while before Dimmen
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Post by Yotes on Oct 30, 2015 17:49:56 GMT
They seem to drop a glove each at about the same time, Dimmen's may even go first (difficult to see since it's the hands away from the camera). Look at 4.48/4.49ish on the vid, Bigos right hand is gloved, as is Jeff's left, but two gloves are on the ice by then.
The elbow was soft, was that sort of motion on the hit but I don't think it's a penalty.
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2015 18:53:09 GMT
We can't just poach Hayes from the Caps. The only way we could sign him is if the Caps let him go and they aren't going to do that.
The GM interview was very odd. I was dying for GM to just ask Hayes if he wished he'd signed in Nottingham now he'd seen it.....he may as well have done because that's what he meant !
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