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Post by PantherB on Oct 18, 2015 11:46:12 GMT
For all we know Corey might just be saving his rough stuff for the important league games. Obviously playing Steelers will always be important as the bragging rights are great to have but league games should always come first when playing Steelers in the CC which effectively was dead rubber.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 11:56:52 GMT
I think after tonight's performance we ought to be more worried about whether the other forwards are being effective, not Janssen. He did what he does, which is throw checks and try to create space. He needs to play on a REGULAR line with players good enough to take advantage, not Myers and Clarke (neither of whom can keep up), nor Betteridge, who hasn't yet got the nous to know where to be. Spot on. Why we are debating Cam I don't know. He's doing his role perfectly imo.
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Post by iginla on Oct 18, 2015 12:40:02 GMT
I agree,he is on the wrong line,we seem to play all the hitters on one line,there should be a hitter,a passer and a scorer on each line.
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Post by dp on Oct 18, 2015 13:24:30 GMT
From tonight's game the question could be is he effective? How many hits did he make? Not how many he threw, but how many did he connect, it's all well making the plexi sway but he misses a lot of the time. Tonight, there was a need to send a message out, to give the team a boost and to rouse the crowd and he was the one to do it by doing what he is known for. Is CN keeping him on a short lease? A 20 second shift every so often and the smiles and waves to please the crowd at the end of the game? I like Cam because of his energy but would question whether he is doing his role. Agreed, I would have liked him to drop the gloves tonight or at least send a message. There were long periods in the game where we needed a momentum change. I have a feeling he may not fight at all This is the thing - NHL enforcers don't come to the Elite league to prove they're tough and fight - they come to get some ice time and play hockey. I said when we signed him that we still needed an enforcer, because Janssen won't fight much if at all over here - why would he?
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Post by nate24 on Oct 18, 2015 22:17:26 GMT
Do people actually think he misses hits by accident?!?
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Post by pantherman66 on Oct 18, 2015 22:35:27 GMT
I do, because he actually makes contact with some of his checks. I am beginning to think he is a bit of a luxury. His presence didn't stop Duco elbowing Betteridge, and Lachowicz still avoids contact like the plague. Schultz, Bohmbach and Macmillan all throw enough hits on the boards. I would really hate to think they are only doing this because they think they have Janssen to back them up.
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Post by wgray on Oct 18, 2015 23:17:40 GMT
I do, because he actually makes contact with some of his checks. I am beginning to think he is a bit of a luxury. His presence didn't stop Duco elbowing Betteridge, and Lachowicz still avoids contact like the plague. Schultz, Bohmbach and Macmillan all throw enough hits on the boards. I would really hate to think they are only doing this because they think they have Janssen to back them up. he's not going to prevent everything from happening as that's the nature of the sport and he can't always be on the ice, Lacho from my recollection hasn't played on a line with Janssen but I still don't think that is the issue with him atm, Janssen is here to do a job which is to force defensive turnovers, hit the opposition hard, create space, start and try to finish attacking breaks, be a nuisance around the net and enforce, all of which he is doing to a tee, I don't know what people are expecting to see from him because everything I imagine Corey is wanting him to do he is doing wonderfully
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 8:28:17 GMT
I do, because he actually makes contact with some of his checks. I am beginning to think he is a bit of a luxury. His presence didn't stop Duco elbowing Betteridge, and Lachowicz still avoids contact like the plague. Schultz, Bohmbach and Macmillan all throw enough hits on the boards. I would really hate to think they are only doing this because they think they have Janssen to back them up. Wow.... I've never disagreed with an internet post so much in my life. The mind truly boggles.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Oct 19, 2015 8:55:03 GMT
Forgetting the last two games - Last season we had a couple of players giving their all most games and a lot giving a bit when they felt like it - this season we have what appears to be a team (forget the last two games again) that all give everything on the ice - the one who seems to be everywhere when he is on the ice is Janssen, his work rate is second to none, he does intimidate, I think he misses a lot of checks on purpose, as the way the refs are here if he did connect he would end up getting banned, he only has to breathe too close to a player to get a roughing penalty - as it is the mere threat of him connecting is enough tho put most players off their stroke. But he cannot do everything and things will happen whilst he is not playing. As far as I know both Lacho and Waugh got injured blocking shots, not foul play by the opposition. Cam is not here to injure opponents, he is here to police them when he is on the ice, and in the mean time has scored a couple of goals as a bonus - I hate to say it but the problem is not Janssen, who I think is not being used to his full potential due to the lines he is on
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Post by Ian on Oct 19, 2015 11:54:33 GMT
I think we have seen different sides to his game this weekend. On Saturday he played as a hitter. Yes, he missed plenty of times but on almost every occasion the player in his sights was forced to hurry a pass or just ice the puck. We got loads of possession and attacking zone face-offs from the pressure Janssen put on the Steelers defencemen. On Sunday, he played as the "grinder" on the Schultz/Bohmbach line and did a different kind of job. He had more puck possession, created space for his skilled linemates, caused a bit of havoc in front of the net and scored one of our three goals. So two solid contributions playing two different kinds of roles. OK so we lost both games but I don't think you can attribute that in any way to his performance.
There are issues with the balance of our squad but Cam Janssen is not one of the problems as far as I can see.
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Post by Pies on Oct 19, 2015 13:03:13 GMT
Janssen problem at the moment is that he's being asked to play winger to our best 2 players and be on a scoring line rather than a checking line. Simple as that.
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Post by iginla on Oct 19, 2015 18:41:52 GMT
What you have to remember is it's harder to hit on big ice than Janssen is used to on smaller ice. He's smart,I think he sometimes realises he can't make the hit,so just makes the point that he "could" have hit them by hitting the boards instead rather than risk taking a bad penalty for a late hit. He just needs to play on the right line to create space for others,it's no good playing him with Myers and Macmillan who both play a similar grinding game.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Jan 30, 2016 10:01:55 GMT
Pulled this back up after reading an article in the Nottingham Post about Cam wanting to stay beyond next season. Can only be a good thing and with his contacts I wonder if he could convince a few over here.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 30, 2016 10:11:40 GMT
Pulled this back up after reading an article in the Nottingham Post about Cam wanting to stay beyond next season. Can only be a good thing and with his contacts I wonder if he could convince a few over here. I agree 100%
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 10:13:35 GMT
Cam's been brilliant in his role & severely underused by Corey imo. Such a clever enforcer/hitter. Knows the boundary's & sticks within them. His KO of Marsh will live with me forever.
Complete no-brainer, if he wants to stay then sign him up.
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Post by panthersnation on Jan 30, 2016 10:38:52 GMT
keep him at the club as long as possible, like been stated already he has been under used this year big time
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Post by iginla on Jan 30, 2016 10:57:47 GMT
No brainer......just SIGN HIM,and use him properly !
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Post by dexter on Jan 30, 2016 11:05:36 GMT
Great player on the ice and great PR off it. Hope he's back next year.
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Post by GuinnessMan on Jan 30, 2016 11:13:06 GMT
Certainly a greater communicator, would he be able to fulfill a captains role, as per keefe in Belfast, or do you think his hockey ability that seemingly affects his ice-time leave him off the ice too long to be an effective leader on it?
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Post by wgray on Jan 30, 2016 12:30:20 GMT
Certainly a greater communicator, would he be able to fulfill a captains role, as per keefe in Belfast, or do you think his hockey ability that seemingly affects his ice-time leave him off the ice too long to be an effective leader on it? if you play him on a line consistently with players who have a similar style to him, like Keefe and Lloyd in Belfast, then he will be success and more ice time will be the reward. If he stays then the captaincy should be his imo.
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Post by pantherlee on Jan 30, 2016 12:44:16 GMT
Thinking a little further down the line if he does stay with us for the next year or two would he become the head coach like Corey did?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 30, 2016 13:15:29 GMT
Thinking a little further down the line if he does stay with us for the next year or two would he become the head coach like Corey did? Possible
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Post by pantherman66 on Jan 30, 2016 14:21:54 GMT
No
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Post by nate24 on Jan 30, 2016 15:00:06 GMT
He knows the league, he knows the team and he knows the goals. Let him loose to play how he wants. If it doesn't work you can bench him again but give him a bit if respect and trust him.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jan 30, 2016 15:23:41 GMT
The most underused import I've ever seen in the EIHL. He steps out on the ice and his simple presence intimidates opponents (you see them choke pucks up or rush passes off) and gives his line mates so much extra room.
I am no hockey coach or great tactician, but if he was used to match lines with the likes of Joey Martin, Mike Forney, Ben O'Connor, Tyler Mosinko etc then you would see a different performances from them!
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