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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 19:19:44 GMT
So if/when Janssen creams Doucet into the boards, the devils players are hardly going to do nothing are they? they ll take him on which in turn will play into Panthers hands by fighting him and tbh Panthers would cope fine if Cam sits for 5 etc
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Post by jdizpt8 on Sept 10, 2015 19:51:57 GMT
Gilly, there were some good games against you guys last year, you definitely have upgraded this year as we have. My question about Janssen was a genuine one, are panthers fan expecting him to contribute points wise on a fairly regular basis with more ice time or do you expect neilson to use him like giant's used westgarth?. Personally I can't see the point in any Devils player going with him as there's nothing to gain by fighting him, if it happens it will be a better trade off for panthers rather than the Devils. I can hardly see him being a bench warmer like westgarth was, he'll get regular shifts and I'd expect him to put up some points maybe around 20. His style of play will lead to him getting credited with assists for fishing picks out the corners or tipping shots in front of goal and getting some goals that way. As for your guys, if he runs Doucet, Martin or Hervato into next week your bid will defiantly jump in. And if they don't he'll keep doing it until they do
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Post by panthersdave on Sept 10, 2015 20:56:59 GMT
I think he may surprise a lot of people with regards to his hockey ability. I forget who it was but I saw an interview where it was said that Janssen actually is a very good, fast skater and has a fair bit of skill.
I'm not saying he will top the scoring charts but I think he is here to play rather than goon it up.
I personally can't wait.
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Post by wgray on Sept 10, 2015 22:04:10 GMT
Listening to the interview that the cats whiskers lads did with Brock I think the main difference that will set him apart from being labelled as a role player is the fact that he believes Janssen is coming here to give 110%, the effort that Janssen will put in to chase and hit and the eagerness to win the battles in the corners and get to lose pucks can be a catalyst for goals which is why I think he will get more points than people are expecting him to and he will be adored by the fans
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Post by Gilly on Sept 11, 2015 7:39:44 GMT
Gilly, there were some good games against you guys last year, you definitely have upgraded this year as we have. My question about Janssen was a genuine one, are panthers fan expecting him to contribute points wise on a fairly regular basis with more ice time or do you expect neilson to use him like giant's used westgarth?. Personally I can't see the point in any Devils player going with him as there's nothing to gain by fighting him, if it happens it will be a better trade off for panthers rather than the Devils. i personally think he will contribute a lot more than people think, hes a very good skater and will hit all night long, and will hopefully always be first into the dirty areas which are bound to get him scoring chances. im hoping for 10 goals out of him this year and maybe 20-25 points which to me would be a fair contribution from the "enforcer"
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Post by kezypanther on Sept 11, 2015 7:58:33 GMT
You don't play that much in the top leagues if you can't play as well. Looking forward to seeing him play.
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Post by PantherG on Sept 11, 2015 11:25:09 GMT
Really excited, just curious to learn who the final import will be
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Post by panthers_nyr on Sept 11, 2015 12:54:35 GMT
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Post by Optic on Sept 11, 2015 16:11:34 GMT
Well he's Arrived, looks in great shape... I can not wait to see what he brings to this team!
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Post by jdizpt8 on Sept 11, 2015 17:27:16 GMT
I bet his conditioning is on a whole new level!! He's just going to go and go and go all game when others are dead on their skates.
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Post by nate24 on Sept 11, 2015 19:03:22 GMT
Let's not make rash presumptions that could be embarrassing later.
Wait and see. Adjusting to the EIHL not always as simple as we think.
That said his actually fitness is probably in check!
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Post by pleximan on Sept 12, 2015 14:58:23 GMT
Funny that Cam has his own 2 page thread on the Devils forum already - and how they hope he wont lay a finger on their little darlings and how they're going to ignore him hope he puts Doucet/Martin etc through the boards on his first shift The ice is yours Cam What a daft post this is. I really don't think the Devils will be concerned with Janssen all that much. Respect to the guy he has played a lot of NHL, but as a 4th line glove dropping role player. It certainly wasn't for his ability to put up points!!! I strongly suspect he will offer nothing in this league other than intimidation and fighting, something that will only see him sat on his backside in the penalty box far too much for Panthers to offer a serious league title challenge. Discipline is a key component of winning championships so just what Corey Nelson thinks he's doing with this signing is just utterly head scratching. Sheffield Steelers took an embarrassing pasting from Frolunda 9-1 in the CHL and Zach Fitzgerald was just a passenger utterly out of his depth, another guy who only offers one thing...aggression. It's fine having tough players as long as they can put points on the board and keep the team discipline during games. Janssen and Fitzgerald are mere knuckle daggers, Janssen having done it in the NHL. But if they can't score points and regularly put their team short handed to concede on the resulting penalty, what's the point?? Progressive hockey is speed, skill, point scoring, yes a toughness too but to sign an import forward who will command a big pay packet and offers no points contribution is a complete waste of an import spot. Prediction.....Corey to realise his foolish error and gas Janssen by January. Better sign a point scorer instead! Doh!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 15:17:06 GMT
Funny that Cam has his own 2 page thread on the Devils forum already - and how they hope he wont lay a finger on their little darlings and how they're going to ignore him hope he puts Doucet/Martin etc through the boards on his first shift The ice is yours Cam What a daft post this is. I really don't think the Devils will be concerned with Janssen all that much. Respect to the guy he has played a lot of NHL, but as a 4th line glove dropping role player. It certainly wasn't for his ability to put up points!!! I strongly suspect he will offer nothing in this league other than intimidation and fighting, something that will only see him sat on his backside in the penalty box far too much for Panthers to offer a serious league title challenge. Discipline is a key component of winning championships so just what Corey Nelson thinks he's doing with this signing is just utterly head scratching. Sheffield Steelers took an embarrassing pasting from Frolunda 9-1 in the CHL and Zach Fitzgerald was just a passenger utterly out of his depth, another guy who only offers one thing...aggression. It's fine having tough players as long as they can put points on the board and keep the team discipline during games. Janssen and Fitzgerald are mere knuckle daggers, Janssen having done it in the NHL. But if they can't score points and regularly put their team short handed to concede on the resulting penalty, what's the point?? Progressive hockey is speed, skill, point scoring, yes a toughness too but to sign an import forward who will command a big pay packet and offers no points contribution is a complete waste of an import spot. Prediction.....Corey to realise his foolish error and gas Janssen by January. Better sign a point scorer instead! Doh!! You're entitled to your opinion but what utter garbage that post is!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2015 16:09:50 GMT
Corey Nelson.... ??
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Post by tootootrain on Sept 12, 2015 16:18:27 GMT
...Discipline is a key component of winning championships so just what Corey Ne ilson thinks he's doing with this signing is just utterly head scratching... Coming from a Cardiff fan this is utterly laughable. Have you watched any of your games of late? Lord and Marsh are hardly the most restrained people in ice hockey and they're your Player/Coach and Captain. Panthers have one potential loose cannon, Cardiff have already proved they have more and they're the team's leadership! Discipline starts at the top...
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Post by wgray on Sept 12, 2015 17:51:06 GMT
Don't take the bait guys, Janssen is going to prove a lot of people wrong, I'm pretty sure of it
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Post by Mark Mac on Sept 12, 2015 20:52:44 GMT
Some people seem to forget that he has played in a lot of games in the NHL, not just the odd game here and there. To be a regular his skill has to be good enough else he wouldn't allowed on the ice, irrespective of being someone used to fight. I'm expecting his skill level and hockey IQ to be higher than a number of other players in the league. Writing him off as a goon seems somewhat silly.
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Post by Mozzy on Sept 13, 2015 0:48:31 GMT
Funny that Cam has his own 2 page thread on the Devils forum already - and how they hope he wont lay a finger on their little darlings and how they're going to ignore him hope he puts Doucet/Martin etc through the boards on his first shift The ice is yours Cam Sheffield Steelers took an embarrassing pasting from Frolunda 9-1 in the CHL and Zach Fitzgerald was just a passenger utterly out of his depth, another guy who only offers one thing...aggression. What complete and utter garbage!!! For a start I'd hardly say losing to Frolunda was embarrasing, especially after being so close after 2 periods. Secondly, Fitzgerald may have his moments but the guy played 400 straight games in the AHL before coming over here. As others have said about Cam, you don't play at those levels for that long if you can't play. What was it said on the webcast in Coventry tonight "Chuck Webber thought Fitzgerald was Clan's best DMan last year". I'll take his opinion on Fitzgerald over yours every day of the week. And, how on earth a Devils fan can take the mick out of someone else's disciplinary record with some of the "goons" that have "graced" the ice in Cardiff over the years is beyond me.
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Post by pleximan on Sept 13, 2015 7:33:30 GMT
Sheffield Steelers took an embarrassing pasting from Frolunda 9-1 in the CHL and Zach Fitzgerald was just a passenger utterly out of his depth, another guy who only offers one thing...aggression. What complete and utter garbage!!! For a start I'd hardly say losing to Frolunda was embarrasing, especially after being so close after 2 periods. Secondly, Fitzgerald may have his moments but the guy played 400 straight games in the AHL before coming over here. As others have said about Cam, you don't play at those levels for that long if you can't play. What was it said on the webcast in Coventry tonight "Chuck Webber thought Fitzgerald was Clan's best DMan last year". I'll take his opinion on Fitzgerald over yours every day of the week. And, how on earth a Devils fan can take the mick out of someone else's disciplinary record with some of the "goons" that have "graced" the ice in Cardiff over the years is beyond me. Mmmmm considering Coventry have started this season leaking goals at an alarming rate Chuck Weber needs to concentrate on his on defence rather than talking about Braehead's 400 AHL game glove dropper Fitzgerald. If he was the Clan's best Defencemen it really doesn't say much about the others. I think Chuck Weber has his hands full trying to keep his job in Coventry right now. If getting hammered by Frolunda 9-1 is talking garbage in your opinion then I don't think your opinions on ice hockey generally are worth a penny. Having watched last night's Devils 2-1 win over the Panthers in OT I can tell you that both sides played a great game of hockey to AHL standard. I would suggest that either team on last night's showing would have put up a better display against Frolunda then the Steelers who got hammered 9-1. Having seen the Steelers last week I didn't think they were all that impressive nor Fitgerald's face high hit on Joey Martin which levelled the Devils centre to the Ice, which was why Tyson Marsh reacted and went with Fitzgerald. I'm sure you wouldn't be calling your own players goons when they are standing up for their own Teamates. Andrew Lord has a team that won't be messed with by the Fitgerald's, Valabik's and Janssen's of this league. Last night the Devils and Panthers played a great game of hockey of quality that was a great advert for the EIHL.
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 13, 2015 7:54:32 GMT
Andrew Lord has a team that won't be messed with by the Fitgerald's, Valabik's and Janssen's of this league. Let me guess - Cardiff have 'enforcers', everyone else has goons? Not a blinkered viewpoint at all, oh no... We'll just have to see if Cardiff top the PIMs charts this season like they did in 2014-15... sorry, you were saying something about "aggression"?
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Post by Gilly on Sept 13, 2015 9:31:18 GMT
They've won 1 cup in recent years and suddenly their whole team are angels and everyone else's grinders are goons, and obsessed with telling everyone, who is willing to listen - give me a break
We may play dirty on occasions, as Cam probably will too, and for that I say good. You've no doubt seen the panthers teams of the past 2 years who the majority of them wouldn't say boo too a goose, and we've been totally walked over. So it's about time in my eyes we had some fire back in our bellies, similar to Cardiffs team last year and probably similar to this year too, who will occasionally go out to upset opponents, put them off their game, throw big hits and maybe have a few scraps along with a bit of controversy, tie that all in with players like Schultz, Moran, Bohmbach etc and you have the makings of a successful team. janssen is the perfect final piece of our jigsaw, and as I've said to many people over the summer, I genuinely can't think of a department (on paper) which we are currently lacking in. Whereas if we'd signed another under 6ft playmaker, to me, our balance would have been wrong. It's fine margins but thems the difference between winning and losing
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Post by pleximan on Sept 13, 2015 10:52:39 GMT
They've won 1 cup in recent years and suddenly their whole team are angels and everyone else's grinders are goons, and obsessed with telling everyone, who is willing to listen - give me a break We may play dirty on occasions, as Cam probably will too, and for that I say good. You've no doubt seen the panthers teams of the past 2 years who the majority of them wouldn't say boo too a goose, and we've been totally walked over. So it's about time in my eyes we had some fire back in our bellies, similar to Cardiffs team last year and probably similar to this year too, who will occasionally go out to upset opponents, put them off their game, throw big hits and maybe have a few scraps along with a bit of controversy, tie that all in with players like Schultz, Moran, Bohmbach etc and you have the makings of a successful team. janssen is the perfect final piece of our jigsaw, and as I've said to many people over the summer, I genuinely can't think of a department (on paper) which we are currently lacking in. Whereas if we'd signed another under 6ft playmaker, to me, our balance would have been wrong. It's fine margins but thems the difference between winning and losing Ho hum! Boring! Their are some very good posters on here, good Panthers fans who know hockey and are balanced in their views. Then there are others who post silly nonsense that a 12yr old would, perhaps that is the case that they are 12? Well whatever, one thing is certain there are a lot on here who simply want to kick the Devils at any opportunity, I take that as a compliment, after all it shows you are feeling threatened by anything devil. The jokes about the blue tent will soon fade as the Devils new arena home nears completion, 3000 seats is plenty big enough and we wont be paying rent as a joint owner. Please continue with your jibes, it's amusing, I would imagine losing to the Devils again has probably upset some people even more. But that is the bottom line here isn't it? Winning hockey games. You need goal and point scorers to do that
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2015 10:56:11 GMT
They've won 1 cup in recent years and suddenly their whole team are angels and everyone else's grinders are goons, and obsessed with telling everyone, who is willing to listen - give me a break We may play dirty on occasions, as Cam probably will too, and for that I say good. You've no doubt seen the panthers teams of the past 2 years who the majority of them wouldn't say boo too a goose, and we've been totally walked over. So it's about time in my eyes we had some fire back in our bellies, similar to Cardiffs team last year and probably similar to this year too, who will occasionally go out to upset opponents, put them off their game, throw big hits and maybe have a few scraps along with a bit of controversy, tie that all in with players like Schultz, Moran, Bohmbach etc and you have the makings of a successful team. janssen is the perfect final piece of our jigsaw, and as I've said to many people over the summer, I genuinely can't think of a department (on paper) which we are currently lacking in. Whereas if we'd signed another under 6ft playmaker, to me, our balance would have been wrong. It's fine margins but thems the difference between winning and losing Ho hum! Boring! Their are some very good posters on here, good Panthers fans who know hockey and are balanced in their views. Then there are others who post silly nonsense that a 12yr old would, perhaps that is the case that they are 12? Well whatever, one thing is certain there are a lot on here who simply want to kick the Devils at any opportunity, I take that as a compliment, after all it shows you are feeling threatened by anything devil. The jokes about the blue tent will soon fade as the Devils new arena home nears completion, 3000 seats is plenty big enough and we wont be paying rent as a joint owner. Please continue with your jibes, it's amusing, I would imagine losing to the Devils again has probably upset some people even more. But that is the bottom line here isn't it? Winning hockey games. You need goal and point scorers to do that Looks like you're searching for a rivalry, shouldn't you be a Giants fan?
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 13, 2015 11:13:15 GMT
In your first 3 posts on this forum, you have managed to come over as very arrogant and contemptuous of anyone who dares to think differently from you, and to insult posters who have been around here for a hell of a lot longer than you. Not to mention displaying a staggering level of hypocritical tinted-viewpoint of your own team whilst delighting in slagging off others. All in just 24 hours. If getting hammered by Frolunda 9-1 is talking garbage in your opinion then I don't think your opinions on ice hockey generally are worth a penny. & Ho hum! Boring! Their are some very good posters on here, good Panthers fans who know hockey and are balanced in their views. Then there are others who post silly nonsense that a 12yr old would, perhaps that is the case that they are 12? May I suggest that you moderate your attitude before someone has to Moderate your presence? Now, back to Cam Janssen... personally, I'm interested to see him play this afternoon - although I'm not going to be shocked or disappointed if he doesn't stand out yet.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 13, 2015 11:43:59 GMT
One thing for sure is that Janssen hits like a freight train...
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