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Post by cooperphil156 on Sept 7, 2015 20:05:20 GMT
"now first off I have nothing against the but he isn't a agitator and is very small for a defensive d man " "That contact tells me Andreas is a stay at home, solid, defence man." CN on the website. Now Eric Werner wasn't that big and he came with a reputation as a stay at home defence man ----------
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Post by nate24 on Sept 7, 2015 20:06:15 GMT
Just give the guy a chance. He is an international from a league far ahead of ours and has took a short deal to prove himself.
It's win win as without him we are short. If he is crap he will ice very little and no ones losing out.
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Post by iginla on Sept 7, 2015 20:13:22 GMT
If he has iced 250 times in the Austrian league.....he can play make no mistake !
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Post by allingtonskates on Sept 7, 2015 20:26:07 GMT
"now first off I have nothing against the but he isn't a agitator and is very small for a defensive d man " "That contact tells me Andreas is a stay at home, solid, defence man." CN on the website. Now Eric Werner wasn't that big and he came with a reputation as a stay at home defence man ---------- yeah I think he will be good but Eric was a great d man but he took a heap of shots for a defensive d man but hopefully he will be more defensive
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 7, 2015 20:31:29 GMT
If he has iced 250 times in the Austrian league.....he can play make no mistake ! Exactly. So he's not a fighter - so what? So he's not an agitator - so what? A skilled stay-at-home d-man can be far more valuable than both... and a team needs the full mix of players to succeed.
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Post by lepine28 on Sept 7, 2015 20:37:03 GMT
Still wouldn't be shocked if David Ling was the final signing. The new guy might stick around and if not Mosey will go back on to D.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Sept 7, 2015 20:54:48 GMT
This guy looks good to me he'll do a good job, the last import forward I'm hoping is a sniper ling would be good but iif he doesn't come in then Combs or Steffes id want and then it's the D man to come in and I think this chap could stay around for injury cover
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Post by allingtonskates on Sept 7, 2015 21:00:59 GMT
Still wouldn't be shocked if David Ling was the final signing. The new guy might stick around and if not Mosey will go back on to D. I cant see ling coming back because he is older now like graham was last year and we already have the likes of Moran and Kolnik so I can see Corey going for him
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Post by nate24 on Sept 8, 2015 5:37:44 GMT
Still wouldn't be shocked if David Ling was the final signing. The new guy might stick around and if not Mosey will go back on to D. I cant see ling coming back because he is older now like graham was last year and we already have the likes of Moran and Kolnik so I can see Corey going for him Slightly off piste but Graham was a serious let down. He is only 29!! Barely gets you veteran status in most league's. Corey thought he was getting a guy still in his prime. If we do get Ling we know he's 40 and beyond his best but we know that at 39 he was still getting training camp invites and playing hard in the AHL. I do agree the signing would make us veteran heavy.
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Post by dexter on Sept 8, 2015 7:30:26 GMT
I'm not saying that the guy is no good, I'm sure he is excellent as a D man, but IMO we need some toughness still over and above what Jenssen will bring. As someone said above, it's about getting the balance right. We already have a good D squad. I hope the last signing provides this.
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Post by mattscold on Sept 8, 2015 9:22:00 GMT
Still wouldn't be shocked if David Ling was the final signing. The new guy might stick around and if not Mosey will go back on to D. I would, I'd be bloody amazed. No way is Ling going to get a Visa with the legal issues he is currently facing.
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Post by pingchowchi on Sept 8, 2015 9:24:36 GMT
I thought all the charges had been dropped?
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Post by mattscold on Sept 8, 2015 9:28:03 GMT
I thought all the charges had been dropped? If thats the case, then possibly. Hadn't heard that. Last i heard he was released on bail.
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Post by PantherB on Sept 8, 2015 9:28:27 GMT
Still wouldn't be shocked if David Ling was the final signing. The new guy might stick around and if not Mosey will go back on to D. I would, I'd be bloody amazed. No way is Ling going to get a Visa with the legal issues he is currently facing. since all charges were dropped against him, technically he isn't facing any legal issues. But, he would have to disclose his arrest and reason for arrest when applying for a visa, which I'm pretty sure would see him be denied one. I'd much rather see a big defenceman who can fight come in as it's unfair on Janssen to be left with the majority of fights, can only really go badly if he was to fight every game against the heavyweights. Another import forward would also mean players like Betteridge would be a healthy scratch, we'd have 4 full lines of forwards plus Betteridge. Defence is more important than offence.
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Post by cjmatt42 on Sept 8, 2015 11:31:47 GMT
Looks a reasonable pick up, as mentioned 250 games at that level means he will know how to play!
In terms of the remaining import not sure what is the better option.
Defence looked reasonably solid at the weekend so the additional of Weidergut will see Oakford lose his ice time and ensure Mosey stays on forward lines. The 4 import D plus Lee and Swindlehurst backed up by Wiikman should hopefully be solid enough to launch a charge so that leads you to another import forward.
In terms of forwards you can see Lacho dropping out of the top 9 forwards based on last season and lackluster start on Saturday to make way for Janssen. Then for me a centre to allow Mosey and Lacho to play wing on the fourth line would be advantageous. Anyone for a Matt Francis type player, quick, end to end, scored a fair number of goals and reform a superfast line similar to that of 2012/13 including Pat Galivan?
Schultz / Moran / Farmer Bohmbach / McMillan / Janssen Clarke / Myers / Kolnik Lacho/ Import in the Matt Francis mould / Mosey
4 Lines of genuine ability and each would bring something slightly different to the table? You'd feel a bit for Ollie Betteridge who I thought had a good game on Saturday but with injuries, suspensions and covering game misconducts his time will come.
Only slight concern maybe a little toughness, personally based on Saturday there seemed to be enough willing to do their bit and that was before Janssen's hopefully imminent arrival. If this was a concern I'd go more down the Adam Keefe type player, solid wind up merchant who will mix it with anyone but ultimately gives his all each night to give his team a chance to win. Using the lines above you'd be disappointed assuming everyone stayed fit if each of the top three lines weren't scoring 60 - 70 goals between them. This means I'm not too concerned that we need another out and out goalscorer as between whatever the fourth line ends up being and the D men there should be another 50 to 60 goals to share around. Low end estimate 230 goals high end 270 which if we defend well should be plenty!
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Post by Yotes on Sept 8, 2015 11:48:43 GMT
I thought all the charges had been dropped? If thats the case, then possibly. Hadn't heard that. Last i heard he was released on bail. There was a tweet that charges were dropped the next day, although it wasn't reported elsewhere from what I can see. Assuming that's correct, although I think he'd still get a visa, I'm sure it'd delay the process, they'd at least look into it. I'm not sure at this point it's worth the effort. So, it'd be a no for me, I'd leave Ling as a nice memory from a good team and move on. Never go back, as they say. He may well have retired anyway.
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Post by mattscold on Sept 8, 2015 11:50:04 GMT
If thats the case, then possibly. Hadn't heard that. Last i heard he was released on bail. There was a tweet that charges were dropped the next day, although it wasn't reported elsewhere from what I can see. Assuming that's correct, although I think he'd still get a visa, I'm sure it'd delay the process, they'd at least look into it. I'm not sure at this point it's worth the effort. So, it'd be a no for me, I'd leave Ling as a nice memory from a good team and move on. Never go back, as they say. He may well have retired anyway. I see, must have missed that one. Thanks
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Post by Yotes on Sept 8, 2015 11:53:46 GMT
It was this Bobby Murray chap, for info:
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Post by allingtonskates on Sept 8, 2015 15:26:53 GMT
Looks a reasonable pick up, as mentioned 250 games at that level means he will know how to play! In terms of the remaining import not sure what is the better option. Defence looked reasonably solid at the weekend so the additional of Weidergut will see Oakford lose his ice time and ensure Mosey stays on forward lines. The 4 import D plus Lee and Swindlehurst backed up by Wiikman should hopefully be solid enough to launch a charge so that leads you to another import forward. In terms of forwards you can see Lacho dropping out of the top 9 forwards based on last season and lackluster start on Saturday to make way for Janssen. Then for me a centre to allow Mosey and Lacho to play wing on the fourth line would be advantageous. Anyone for a Matt Francis type player, quick, end to end, scored a fair number of goals and reform a superfast line similar to that of 2012/13 including Pat Galivan? Schultz / Moran / Farmer Bohmbach / McMillan / Janssen Clarke / Myers / Kolnik Lacho/ Import in the Matt Francis mould / Mosey 4 Lines of genuine ability and each would bring something slightly different to the table? You'd feel a bit for Ollie Betteridge who I thought had a good game on Saturday but with injuries, suspensions and covering game misconducts his time will come. Only slight concern maybe a little toughness, personally based on Saturday there seemed to be enough willing to do their bit and that was before Janssen's hopefully imminent arrival. If this was a concern I'd go more down the Adam Keefe type player, solid wind up merchant who will mix it with anyone but ultimately gives his all each night to give his team a chance to win. Using the lines above you'd be disappointed assuming everyone stayed fit if each of the top three lines weren't scoring 60 - 70 goals between them. This means I'm not too concerned that we need another out and out goalscorer as between whatever the fourth line ends up being and the D men there should be another 50 to 60 goals to share around. Low end estimate 230 goals high end 270 which if we defend well should be plenty! kolnik over janssen a player like franny would be not like to be on bottom line for a UK team
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Post by fishman on Sept 8, 2015 16:05:33 GMT
Head coach Corey Neilson said: "Andreas wants to prove himself, he had a fraught year last season with various issues" I would hope this guy is quick with good hands and can clear the D and turn defence in to attack.
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Post by dp on Sept 8, 2015 18:04:49 GMT
Toughness is still an issue for me. Janssen will be one of the toughest in the league but NHL enforcers generally don't come over here to fight - they come here wanting to play and change their role so I'm not expecting him to be dropping the gloves too often. Yes a couple of Brits stood up on Saturday, but neither of them would've fancied Clarkson, and he's not the toughest in the league by any means.
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Post by Ian on Sept 9, 2015 10:09:33 GMT
The correct pronunciation of his surname - in case anyone was wondering is: VEE-DER-GOOT, with emphasis on the first syllable.
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Post by jd on Sept 10, 2015 8:28:20 GMT
He's wearing 33 according to the website, that feels wrong
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Post by allingtonskates on Sept 10, 2015 15:53:32 GMT
He's wearing 33 according to the website, that feels wrong imo I would have liked k-walls number to be retired
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Post by nate24 on Sept 12, 2015 5:54:39 GMT
I spoke in support of number retiring a while back but not I feel it's a pointless process.
It doesn't really honour anyone anymore than just having the jersey raised to the rafters.
Raise the jersey? Yep. Retire the number, nope.
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