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Post by Caesar on Sept 13, 2015 21:42:56 GMT
Couple of things from tonight: - intro should be ready soon now the last guys have arrived (bear in mind I am as eager to see it as you guys are and have no idea what it will be like) - the lights were on at the start (which killed the atmosphere aomewhat) due to the fact that a person had unfortunately fallen down the steps at the bottom of block 6 and the medical team needed the light to help them out - there is no change to the goal music/celebration it is the same as last year but I experienced an issue with the computer program which meant for some unknown reason it jumped in the sequence skipping Chelsea dagger. I had to shut down and re-boot As always I appreciate feedback and suggestionst to make the build up more interesting. Best to tweet me @kenpanthers if you have a suggestion for music choice As for the result, it is always disappointing to lose a game... Overall I thought that there are some promising early signs and once the guys relax and begin to get used to each other this will be a great team to watch. Ken Thanks for that Ken. Keep up the good work, it's improved a lot over the last few years.
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Post by cjmatt42 on Sept 14, 2015 6:59:13 GMT
Unfortunately the completely flat intro was carried on for 40 minutes which ultimately cost us. Three periods like the final one and we would have been fine.
Giants played a great road game, very tough nut to crack however in the main offered very little as a goal threat also. Lets be honest the only reason they got to OT was a horribly lucky goal otherwise you couldn't really see them getting past Wiikman. From a Panthers viewpoint I think Janssen has to be moved up for next weekend having had a whole week with the team. Lacho is currently treading water and offering nothing offensively. I'd fancy while Janssen might not have the flair his presence will create more space and opportunities for linemates with more ability. Was also impressed with Mosey coming in off the wing on a number of shifts and for me would earn more minutes in the top nine than Lacho.
There were a few coaching worries for me though yesterday mainly surrounding line match ups when we have home advantage. It seemed in the main we were intentionally matching our 4th line against what was probably their top line with Forney and Higgins on it. I can understand the principle of this but with no natural centre we ended up losing possession more often than not from the re start against some of their biggest attacking talent. Just seemed a strange choice.
More concerning though was the second period PK. We restarted immediately after the penalty with Lacho and Mosey as the two forwards with Lacho in the face off circle. The Giants easily won the draw as you'd expect and were camped against the same PK unit for around the first 75 seconds of PP time. With McMillan and Myers again performing well in the circle yesterday this just made no sense. Don't get me wrong Lacho and Mosey are amongst our better Penalty Killers but surrendering the puck so easily from the restart when on the PK is just baffling.
Finally, the off ice product being delivered is getting worse by the week. Going back 5 years we were light years ahead of others in terms of off ice activities, in that time we have watched the Sheffield and Belfasts of the league walk straight past us. I'm not buying this intro is ready soon stuff. Sheffield had a great promo video made as did Braehead for their Champions League campaigns, before players arrived using what they had at their disposal at the time. It seems that there is a what's the point in going to the trouble attitude for the first few games when we can just do something once and have it sorted for October. In addition the written literature on the website and twitter etc was again up to the usual level last night with things being corrected once scores of tweets and facebook messages had highlighted the glaring errors. They seem little things but they all make up the product as a whole. I now find myself visiting other rinks and seeing other teams websites and thinking I wish we seemed as professional. Says it all really.
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Post by Ian on Sept 14, 2015 7:19:56 GMT
Overall, very disappointed with the performance. Obviously also with the result although getting a point from such a sloppy performance is a bonus I suppose. Notice I use the word sloppy rather than bad or weak for our performance as that's what I thought it was. Good signs were there all over the ice but we were let down by individual errors and lapses of concentration at key moments. Both of Giants' goals were down to defencemen going to sleep on the job, especially the OT winner, where the D-man totally lost track of his man, who was left standing alone in front of goal to score. Passing was equally careless, with far too many promising situations being ended by a bad pass to a team mate. Steve Lee's play on the OT powerplay summed up the night for me, fanning on a shot, two missed passes and carelessly letting the opposition relieve the pressure. A shift he will have nightmares about I think.
I still think Corey is trying to work out his best lines. Moran and Schultz (who was the brightest point from the game from a Panthers perspective) are starting to click and they looked much better when teamed up with Bohmbach in the third. I definitely think Janssen will get more ice time once he's settled. In situations where we need a bit of spark (as we did last night) I'd like to see Corey use a line of Myers, Farmer and Janssen to really get amongst the opposition and ruffle a few feathers. Goal threat seems our biggest problem again though. I think the D looks fine, use the last import slot for a goalscorer, especially if Clarke has anything other than a very minor injury.
Finally, the MOM awards. What the hell? Beech was the best player on the ice for either side by some distance yet we get the old Panthers spin-trick of giving MOM to the opposition netminder to make it look like you've been robbed. And our MOM was won by the player who (despite a solid performance overall) I believe was at fault for the opposition's OT winner, how does that work? A minor detail though.
Not hitting the panic button yet as there are enough promising signs to suggest we can have a good season. But the time is rapidly coming where "they need time to settle in" stops being a viable excuse for disjointed and sloppy performances.
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Post by mattscold on Sept 14, 2015 7:22:46 GMT
Not going to comment on the game itself, but did anyone else notice how good Weidergut was? Thought he put in a great performance.
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Post by Pies on Sept 14, 2015 7:30:26 GMT
My opinion is we've got the defence doing their job brilliantly - we've conceded 2 goals in regulation this weekend. It's now up to the offense to come together. It takes longer to work out the best forward units, especially since we've not had them all together much. I agree wth putting farmer, Myers and Janssen together - I think Betteridge and mosey are under utilised on a 4th line checking whereas Janssen on that line will allow Farmer and Myers to crash and bang all night and make the chances they can.
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Post by Gilly on Sept 14, 2015 7:47:39 GMT
Was more frustrating than bad - and still a 100% improvement on last year even though we appear to have a few problems scoring at the minute
I thought Janssen was fantastic, played a high energy hard hitting game whilst using his head to know what to do when and didnt do anything which cost the team - 0 penalty minutes from a "goon" aint bad is it. Standing nose to nose with Nickerson, followed by Darryl Lloyd co-incidently missing Janssen's shift once again followed by a huge smile and a shake of the head - Great character and a nailed on fans favourite, but i agree with others would like to see what he can do when moved up a line or 2.
Wiedergut seemed solid and put a nice hit on Keefe which sent him flying early on - could be a decent addition.
Defence was again solid, first goal was a touch unfortunate / good skill from higgins and second was a lapse in concentration, nothing really to be worried about.
Our goal was a beauty, real tic-tac-toe stuff which left murphy about 10ft to the left of his net, great poise and good work from the Schultz-Moran-Bohmbach line which HAS to play together more often.
would have liked a win, but in a game i never thought we would score in and didnt play particularly well, i think ill settle with a point against a very organised and well drilled giants team.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 8:05:29 GMT
Dissapointing to lose but as has been said there are plenty of signs that this team is going to be a force to be reckoned with. 3rd period was by far our best, coincided with Clarke being out (I'm a big fan of his but facgts are facts) and the lines being reshuffled (thought Bohmbach looked a lot more comfortable playing with Schultz & Moran).
Kolnik is something special just waiting to happen, there was one pass he made to Lacho in the 2nd which was absolutley on point only for Lacho to mishandle it when he would have been 1 on 1 with Murphy. 3rd period when Kolnik was paired with Myers & Farmer I thought the balance was of the team was a lot better (mainly becuase I think Farmer has a better touch around the goal than Lacho). I also like the way he's first into the corners when the puck is dumped in, not being afraid to get in those dirty areas is always a good sign.
Having seen a few games now I'd like to see (assuming Clarke is out for a pro-longed period of time):
Bohmbach - Moran - Schultz Farmer - Myers - Kolnik Lacho - MacMillan - Janssen with Betteridge and Mosey filling in where and when they're needed.
The main problem I see with the powerplay is we can't seem to enter the zone effectively, we don't have a player like Cody Wild or Jordan Fox who will skate it in rather than dump it in. Maybe Dimmen could do that but Lee is getting more powerplay time than him for some reason, I get that Lee has a nice one timer but his distribution is poor which was evidenced in OT. I'd've let Waugh have a go, he's way more offensive that I thought he would've been (not a bad thing though).
I think Corey has to take some of the blame for the defensive breakdown in OT, I have no idea why he sent Mosey out there (who hadn't played on defense all game) rather than Waugh who hadn't seen the ice for any of OT. Was just an odd move.
Oh well, onto next week!
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Post by 5+game on Sept 14, 2015 9:11:46 GMT
Dissapointing to lose but as has been said there are plenty of signs that this team is going to be a force to be reckoned with. 3rd period was by far our best, coincided with Clarke being out (I'm a big fan of his but facgts are facts) and the lines being reshuffled (thought Bohmbach looked a lot more comfortable playing with Schultz & Moran). Kolnik is something special just waiting to happen, there was one pass he made to Lacho in the 2nd which was absolutley on point only for Lacho to mishandle it when he would have been 1 on 1 with Murphy. 3rd period when Kolnik was paired with Myers & Farmer I thought the balance was of the team was a lot better (mainly becuase I think Farmer has a better touch around the goal than Lacho). I also like the way he's first into the corners when the puck is dumped in, not being afraid to get in those dirty areas is always a good sign. Having seen a few games now I'd like to see (assuming Clarke is out for a pro-longed period of time): Bohmbach - Moran - Schultz Farmer - Myers - Kolnik Lacho - MacMillan - Janssen with Betteridge and Mosey filling in where and when they're needed. The main problem I see with the powerplay is we can't seem to enter the zone effectively, we don't have a player like Cody Wild or Jordan Fox who will skate it in rather than dump it in. Maybe Dimmen could do that but Lee is getting more powerplay time than him for some reason, I get that Lee has a nice one timer but his distribution is poor which was evidenced in OT. I'd've let Waugh have a go, he's way more offensive that I thought he would've been (not a bad thing though). I think Corey has to take some of the blame for the defensive breakdown in OT, I have no idea why he sent Mosey out there (who hadn't played on defense all game) rather than Waugh who hadn't seen the ice for any of OT. Was just an odd move. Oh well, onto next week! Mosey was out there because he hadn't logged a great deal of ice time so was a bit fresher than most and also because of his speed which should have been a massive advantage in a 4 on 4 situation. Oh and had we had Doucet or a player like him out there we would have won that game.
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Post by panthers4ever on Sept 14, 2015 9:30:40 GMT
Agree with others forwards need to start scoreing more D looks solid
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 9:46:42 GMT
Dissapointing to lose but as has been said there are plenty of signs that this team is going to be a force to be reckoned with. 3rd period was by far our best, coincided with Clarke being out (I'm a big fan of his but facgts are facts) and the lines being reshuffled (thought Bohmbach looked a lot more comfortable playing with Schultz & Moran). Kolnik is something special just waiting to happen, there was one pass he made to Lacho in the 2nd which was absolutley on point only for Lacho to mishandle it when he would have been 1 on 1 with Murphy. 3rd period when Kolnik was paired with Myers & Farmer I thought the balance was of the team was a lot better (mainly becuase I think Farmer has a better touch around the goal than Lacho). I also like the way he's first into the corners when the puck is dumped in, not being afraid to get in those dirty areas is always a good sign. Having seen a few games now I'd like to see (assuming Clarke is out for a pro-longed period of time): Bohmbach - Moran - Schultz Farmer - Myers - Kolnik Lacho - MacMillan - Janssen with Betteridge and Mosey filling in where and when they're needed. The main problem I see with the powerplay is we can't seem to enter the zone effectively, we don't have a player like Cody Wild or Jordan Fox who will skate it in rather than dump it in. Maybe Dimmen could do that but Lee is getting more powerplay time than him for some reason, I get that Lee has a nice one timer but his distribution is poor which was evidenced in OT. I'd've let Waugh have a go, he's way more offensive that I thought he would've been (not a bad thing though). I think Corey has to take some of the blame for the defensive breakdown in OT, I have no idea why he sent Mosey out there (who hadn't played on defense all game) rather than Waugh who hadn't seen the ice for any of OT. Was just an odd move. Oh well, onto next week! Mosey was out there because he hadn't logged a great deal of ice time so was a bit fresher than most and also because of his speed which should have been a massive advantage in a 4 on 4 situation. Oh and had we had Doucet or a player like him out there we would have won that game. I get that he was out there for his speed in a 4v4 situation, but he hadn't played defence for the whole game so the potential for a mistake to be made was far greater. Also as much as much as I rate the guy I in no way shape or form want him on defence against 2 of the oppostions best forwards in Forney & Beech (I have no issue with him playing as a forward against these players as he then has a bit more freedom to follow the puck) when Waugh hasn't had a shift since the end of regulation. It was a bad match up and a situation we shouldn't have been in due to being the home team and having last change.
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Post by whiskey1 on Sept 14, 2015 10:13:00 GMT
GM on the website "A draw's a draw.". Well not really mate, in hockey it's called an overtime loss! And we've let Giants pick up a point on us. Stuff like this frustrates me so much from GM as it just puts our credibility into question. Why not just say we weren't good enough and couldn't score for poo. That was pretty much the top and the bottom of it.
On a positive note I thought Wiikman continues to do well, Weidergut was a nice surprise (and looks like Boxill's long lost Austrian twin) and Janssen was full of energy.
Please use the Peckham money to bring in a forward who can score.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Sept 14, 2015 10:41:10 GMT
Thought it was a good games from the goalie and the D, we got caught out here and there but on the whole the D was solid, I think our forwards are looking good and when they click we will see goals flying in for fun, I agree that at the minute we are missing that out and out goal scorer and I'm sure Corey is aware of this so I guess it might be a case of watch this space. Janssen looked hungry last night which is good to see and he played a great game, hoping to see him jump up the lines and Lacho drop down, he should have seeked a contract abroad because he's continued to look disinterested. Hope Clarkes injury isn't a bad one and he can get out for next weekend but if not then I think we'll see a forward come in sharpish
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Post by Thomas Elliott on Sept 14, 2015 12:25:58 GMT
PP is a Panthers issue V Dundee 1 from 4, Cardiff 0/2 and this afternoon 0/7 needs sorting. Whilst I appreciate that overall it's not great, it's still early days yet and players are still gelling and learning the system... Plus harsh to put 1 from 4 against Dundee up there. If we score at 25% all year round I'll be a happy man.
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Post by Thomas Elliott on Sept 14, 2015 12:43:44 GMT
And our MOM was won by the player who (despite a solid performance overall) I believe was at fault for the opposition's OT winner, how does that work? A minor detail though. I personally disagree with this. I agree that there will be some level of blame on Schmidt's door for the OT winner, but Peacock had beat Dimmen along the boards and was skating around the back of the net towards Schmidt's side. I personally think that Schmidt had a difficult and relatively lose/lose situation to make. He either skates to Peacock looking to take the pass away but leaving the man in front alone, or he stays with the man in front and Peacock is able to at the very least attempt the wraparound if not waltz out in front of Wiikman unchallenged. I think overall Schmidt was the best defenceman on the ice for either team, and thought that the MOM was the correct call in a tight, low scoring defensive game. Again, all my own personal opinion, and will happily revoke if the highlights show that Schmidt was absolutely in the wrong to go to Peacock. EDIT: Having read some of the later posts it appears that it was Mosey and not Dimmen on defence with Schmidt for the OT winner.
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Post by Thomas Elliott on Sept 14, 2015 12:47:33 GMT
I think Corey has to take some of the blame for the defensive breakdown in OT, I have no idea why he sent Mosey out there (who hadn't played on defense all game) rather than Waugh who hadn't seen the ice for any of OT. Was just an odd move. Because of Mosey's speed and the extra space during OT I'd imagine. I for one have no problem with that kind of move.
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Post by fishman on Sept 14, 2015 12:51:56 GMT
PP is a Panthers issue V Dundee 1 from 4, Cardiff 0/2 and this afternoon 0/7 needs sorting. Whilst I appreciate that overall it's not great, it's still early days yet and players are still gelling and learning the system... Plus harsh to put 1 from 4 against Dundee up there. If we score at 25% all year round I'll be a happy man. Overall from 6 games Panthers have only score 3 goal from 21 PP, and was it me not paying attention or did Panthers lose an awful lot of the faceoffs yesterday afternoon?
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Post by dill1015 on Sept 14, 2015 13:37:56 GMT
Whilst I appreciate that overall it's not great, it's still early days yet and players are still gelling and learning the system... Plus harsh to put 1 from 4 against Dundee up there. If we score at 25% all year round I'll be a happy man. Overall from 6 games Panthers have only score 3 goal from 21 PP, and was it me not paying attention or did Panthers lose an awful lot of the faceoffs yesterday afternoon? It not just you, i think the first 2 periods we must have won 30% at most. Moran isn't strong in the face off, but i expect better from Myers and Macmillan after the first few games where it felt like we won nearly everything. Just some more stats for people like me who love them. We've taken 108 shot in 3 games so far this season but only scored 4 goals... This means we're scoring 1 out of every 27 shots! It should be more like 1 in 11. Or to put it another way the opposition keepers so far have a 96.3% save against us atm... Thats awful! we're not working keepers atm all shots are straight at them when they are already set. This is the area that Corey needs to work on.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 14, 2015 14:06:29 GMT
It looks like the last guy we need to sign this season is the first guy who left at the end of last season. He was an absolute slam dunk for the job.
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Post by Mark on Sept 14, 2015 19:07:56 GMT
Hopefully the Peckham cash will go on a sniper. The defence looks solid and Wiedergut has slotted in like he's always played here. Why we didn't re-sign Doucet is beyond me.
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Post by Yotes on Sept 14, 2015 19:13:47 GMT
Maybe he wanted to go to Cardiff?
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Post by Shaggy on Sept 14, 2015 19:34:26 GMT
Most definitely a disappointing game and result... but this team already looks so much better than last season! The defence is looking very good - and Wiikman looks like a very good pickup - especially solid on breakaways (and penalty shots! ). Special shout out to Schmidt, seeing as the news of his return was greeted with a marked lack of enthusiasm... overall he's looking very solid and useful. Up front... not so much. Plenty of good hitting (at a rough guess, about 3 times as many hits getting thrown per game than last season - thankfully!) and plenty of energy... just the execution is a bit off. The passing was atrocious - both sending and receiving - and I nearly fell asleep watching the powerplay. The face-offs - in stark contrast to the Dundee game last week - seemed to be won almost exclusively by Belfast. And the finishing was definitely off... plenty of playmaking, but just missing the sharp bit at the end. But - again in contrast to last season - it probably won't take much to fix this. Either a minor re-shuffling of the lines, or just let them settle down for a week or two, and some more practice... they're only a few percentage points off, not massively. And how about the hits? Ollie Betteridge chucking a hit on Nickerson (OK, he bounced off - but who says young Brits won't check?)... Wiedergut chucking himself around (yes, European players can hit!)... and, of course, the Hit-Man himself - Cam Janssen. Talk about your human wrecking ball... and appears to have a good hockey brain on him, managing to deter without feeling the need to pointlessly drop the gloves. Tons of energy when he's got (or is after) the puck, too. There appear to be arguments either way as to whether he will rack up many points for us or not, but to my mind he'll make a solid contribution even without many points. But 4 goals in the last 12 periods? (plus 3 OT periods)... that needs work, and it needs work NOW. Something, however, that is so obvious there is no way that the coaches and the players won't already be aware of and working on. It's not as if we can do anything about it anyway, so I'm just going to wait and see - hopefully a massive improvement, and soon. Here's hoping for an absolute blitzkrieg on the Storm come Saturday... goals, hits, more goals, more hits... I know it's not a nice thing to do to a new team, but a huge crushing victory for the Panthers is just what the doctor ordered. And then to do the same to Coventry the following day... but who cares about being nice to them?
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Post by iginla on Sept 14, 2015 21:23:16 GMT
A blitzkrieg will happen to the Storm on Saturday Shaggy.
And there is a very nice tasty big signing just around the corner too !
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 21:41:00 GMT
A blitzkrieg will happen to the Storm on Saturday Shaggy. And there is a very nice tasty big signing just around the corner too ! Give me an 'I', give me a 'T', give me a 'K'. What have you got? Make believe.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 8:17:03 GMT
Hopefully the Peckham cash will go on a sniper. The defence looks solid and Wiedergut has slotted in like he's always played here. Why we didn't re-sign Doucet is beyond me. Doucet openly said that Cardiff wanted him at the same time as we did. He signed for us because we needed him more at the time. Cardiff were always a first choice for him, assuming the atmosphere etc. He's signed a 2 year deal there. We're 1 of 5 teams now who can challenge for honours (6 if you include Coventry). I agree with your Weidergut point though, looks to be a shrewd move by Corey!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Sept 15, 2015 9:25:46 GMT
Hopefully the Peckham cash will go on a sniper. The defence looks solid and Wiedergut has slotted in like he's always played here. Why we didn't re-sign Doucet is beyond me. Doucet openly said that Cardiff wanted him at the same time as we did. He signed for us because we needed him more at the time. Cardiff were always a first choice for him, assuming the atmosphere etc. He's signed a 2 year deal there. We're 1 of 5 teams now who can challenge for honours (6 if you include Coventry). I agree with your Weidergut point though, looks to be a shrewd move by Corey! It was the two year deal that made up his mind.
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