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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 11:34:16 GMT
Jacina has been off form for weeks. If Higgins was ill then we won't create much I'm afraid. We've got a pretty good D, it's obvious there are issues with the import forwards.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 7, 2014 11:40:29 GMT
We have been short handed since Robinson left. He was a major force in us grinding results in the bit of a run we had a few weeks back. Hugely influential player that made a big difference on the ice. I'd agree the loss of Robinson was a big blow.
You have your full quota of imports though don't you?
Full quota of imports but a very different team. You take out Wild, Benny (who was VERY lucky to stay on the ice last night) and Higgins through injury, illness or just having a bad night we can look pretty ordinary and our little gem of a player Boxhill took far too many penalties last night. Clark is more hit and miss than a £1 scratch card lately and personally I think that Lee should be captain and Clark should be allowed to concentrate on what he does best.
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Post by Mozzy on Dec 7, 2014 12:14:41 GMT
I'd agree the loss of Robinson was a big blow.
You have your full quota of imports though don't you?
Full quota of imports but a very different team. You take out Wild, Benny (who was VERY lucky to stay on the ice last night) and Higgins through injury, illness or just having a bad night we can look pretty ordinary and our little gem of a player Boxhill took far too many penalties last night. Clark is more hit and miss than a £1 scratch card lately and personally I think that Lee should be captain and Clark should be allowed to concentrate on what he does best. I'd heard a few good things about Boxhill but thought he got more involved with the handbags and spent too much time in the box last night.
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Post by iginla on Dec 7, 2014 12:15:53 GMT
We can't use the shorthanded excuse,Sheffield were missing Kohn,Bois and Hewitt,we were only missing Jacina,then Oakford and Higgins later,so if anything Steelers were worse off on that score. Panthers missed at least three guilt edged chances,a couple of Modig's rebounds cost us,they lacked any creativity,badly miss a real sniper and Sheffields top line showed us how to break open a close game.
It's the same as we have been saying for a couple of months at least,this team needs more than ONE piece of the jigsaw,it needs three or four.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 13:43:54 GMT
We can't use the shorthanded excuse,Sheffield were missing Kohn,Bois and Hewitt,we were only missing Jacina,then Oakford and Higgins later,so if anything Steelers were worse off on that score. Panthers missed at least three guilt edged chances,a couple of Modig's rebounds cost us,they lacked any creativity,badly miss a real sniper and Sheffields top line showed us how to break open a close game. It's the same as we have been saying for a couple of months at least,this team needs more than ONE piece of the jigsaw,it needs three or four. Be careful iggy you'll have the cage police on here saying you are being negative. Theres certain people on here who say im negative yet they post the same stuff i do but somehow try and justify it, anyway watching webcast it was so evident even stevie wonder would have noticed we need a goalscorer as top priority and secondly just how bad are panthers in the face off circle. Forney must have won 70% of his so a face off winning centre is a need as well.
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Post by Mozzy on Dec 7, 2014 13:54:06 GMT
We can't use the shorthanded excuse,Sheffield were missing Kohn,Bois and Hewitt,we were only missing Jacina,then Oakford and Higgins later,so if anything Steelers were worse off on that score. Panthers missed at least three guilt edged chances,a couple of Modig's rebounds cost us,they lacked any creativity,badly miss a real sniper and Sheffields top line showed us how to break open a close game. It's the same as we have been saying for a couple of months at least,this team needs more than ONE piece of the jigsaw,it needs three or four. Be careful iggy you'll have the cage police on here saying you are being negative. Theres certain people on here who say im negative yet they post the same stuff i do but somehow try and justify it, anyway watching webcast it was so evident even stevie wonder would have noticed we need a goalscorer as top priority and secondly just how bad are panthers in the face off circle. Forney must have won 70% of his so a face off winning centre is a need as well. When he wasn't chucked out and Roy had to go in.
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 7, 2014 14:03:24 GMT
Be careful iggy you'll have the cage police on here saying you are being negative. Come on, Pidge - give over playing the martyr card, it's getting boring. You (and a few others) churn out negative post after post, and hardly ever get called on it... far less often than you personally niggle at others for saying anything even remotely positive.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2014 14:14:26 GMT
We don't need 3 or 4 imo. The defence is sound enough. Look at the import forwards that aren't performing or give the impression they can't perform. I'd question Jacina straight away & potentially Graham as well.
Graham earns the benefit of the doubt due to his slow start two years ago but we don't have the same play makers in this team so I'd ultimately question his worth. Lawrence carries out the same role & does it better. Jacina is ridiculously inconsistent. I'd get rid & look for another play maker straight away. Other than that we're fine imo.
Regarding Modig, as I said elsewhere his technique will give up rebounds. Kwall looks to absorb the biscuit far more than Modig. He's excellent positionally but the D need to be alert on the scrappy stuff.
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Post by pantherdman on Dec 8, 2014 6:33:55 GMT
Went in short handed. Ended up short. End of. You had more players on the ice than us pantherdman, hardly shorthanded. I don't give a monkeys about Sheffield tbh, if the richest team in the league is not signing cover and going into games short, there is a massive problem IMO regardless of result. Not giving ourselves the best chance possible = short changing the fans.
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Post by Mozzy on Dec 8, 2014 8:19:40 GMT
You had more players on the ice than us pantherdman, hardly shorthanded. I don't give a monkeys about Sheffield tbh, if the richest team in the league is not signing cover and going into games short, there is a massive problem IMO regardless of result. Not giving ourselves the best chance possible = short changing the fans. I hardly think you are being short changed. Black must have spent a fortune this year on the CHL and extra imports that went with it. All great exposure but at a price.
I'm not sure how many players you would like to sign as cover, 1/2/3/4 where does it stop?? Injuries happen, plenty of teams manage to get results when understrength. Just having a full roster doesn't automatically guarantee a better chance of success. You need the right players.
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Post by texpef on Dec 8, 2014 10:02:58 GMT
exactly what I would expect from a fan of another team... you want your team to do well and that means others have to do worse therefore of course you don't want panthers to be strengthened. As a panthers fan I want the panthers to do well in the league and hopefully win it and to do that i believe the team needs to be strengthened, take this weekend for example if we had signed a player to cover robinson (or even robinson himself again) then that one goal loss could well have been a win and this has happened all too often this season. (Very) narrow losses could well cost us at the end of the season...
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Post by Mozzy on Dec 8, 2014 12:18:17 GMT
exactly what I would expect from a fan of another team... you want your team to do well and that means others have to do worse therefore of course you don't want panthers to be strengthened. As a panthers fan I want the panthers to do well in the league and hopefully win it and to do that i believe the team needs to be strengthened, take this weekend for example if we had signed a player to cover robinson (or even robinson himself again) then that one goal loss could well have been a win and this has happened all too often this season. (Very) narrow losses could well cost us at the end of the season... But we had less players than you, being shorthanded wasn't the reason you lost in Sheffield. The players on the ice for you were poor and played a very one dimensional system. A 3-2 scoreline flattered you.
Having extra players doesn't automatically guarantee success, also playing 1/2/3 short doesn't automatically guarantee a loss. At the end of the day you were short of Jacina, who by many peoples admission on here hasn't been playing well. You won't get somebody of the quality of Robinson to come to be cover.
For me it wouldn't be signing extra players for you right now, it would be removing the current underperforming players and replacing them with better. That will be far more effective than just bringing in cover.
Also, you are 1 point off the top of the league, it's not a bad position.
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Post by texpef on Dec 8, 2014 14:07:08 GMT
when that player is the calibre of Robinson then it does make a difference, problem i have with the panthers is that they don't have enough players of that calibre whereas it could be argued that the whole first line of the steelers is not far off that...and they may have been poor and i know it means nothing as far as the points are concerned but 1 goal in it does not show steelers were than much better on the night..
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Post by Mozzy on Dec 8, 2014 16:27:45 GMT
when that player is the calibre of Robinson then it does make a difference, problem i have with the panthers is that they don't have enough players of that calibre whereas it could be argued that the whole first line of the steelers is not far off that...and they may have been poor and i know it means nothing as far as the points are concerned but 1 goal in it does not show steelers were than much better on the night.. Robinson was a good player but his points production wasn't up with the best and you didn't score more goals than you do now with him in the team. I just don't see this fixation with Robinson. He looked good but quite often flattered to deceive where it matters, on the scoring front.
Bad finishing and good goaltending was why it ended up 3-2.
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Post by pantherdman on Dec 8, 2014 21:50:36 GMT
Robinson was the best player in the league by a country mile. Vastly better than any steelers player.
Steelers currently have better team ethic and chemistry but it's still close.
Quality is down as a whole this season IMO
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Post by doug on Dec 9, 2014 10:44:55 GMT
when that player is the calibre of Robinson then it does make a difference, problem i have with the panthers is that they don't have enough players of that calibre whereas it could be argued that the whole first line of the steelers is not far off that...and they may have been poor and i know it means nothing as far as the points are concerned but 1 goal in it does not show steelers were than much better on the night.. Tex, surely you have seen sporting events where one team/participant is better then the other but the result doesn't neccessarily convey that. Steelers were much better Tex and a three goal difference wouldn't have flattered them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2014 12:07:51 GMT
HighlightsDowd gets away with 2+10. Who scored their winner again?
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Post by jd on Dec 9, 2014 12:13:24 GMT
HighlightsDowd gets away with 2+10. Who scored their winner again? Such a joke call. The league is so dodgy it's unreal. How can smith run the league and the steelers? Seth Bennett who was involved with the steelers is the voice over guy on the DOPS videos. Simmsey says it's all honest, can't imagine he'd be happy if Neil Black was the league chairman and we get the amount of decisions the steelers do
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Post by Yotes on Dec 9, 2014 12:50:56 GMT
While I'm quite happy to believe the Steelers are always up to no good... Seth Bennett who was involved with the steelers is the voice over guy on the DOPS videos. Maybe they're just getting a professional broadcaster, probably on the free or cheap at least, to voice the videos?
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Post by jd on Dec 9, 2014 13:16:58 GMT
While I'm quite happy to believe the Steelers are always up to no good... Seth Bennett who was involved with the steelers is the voice over guy on the DOPS videos. Maybe they're just getting a professional broadcaster, probably on the free or cheap at least, to voice the videos? Maybe, maybe not. Just find it a joke that no one knows who is in the DOPS either. Just a bit too fishy when the steelers get a few decisions going there way and then Dowd gets off with nothing.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 9, 2014 13:27:06 GMT
While I'm quite happy to believe the Steelers are always up to no good... Maybe they're just getting a professional broadcaster, probably on the free or cheap at least, to voice the videos? Maybe, maybe not. Just find it a joke that no one knows who is in the DOPS either. Just a bit too fishy when the steelers get a few decisions going there way and then Dowd gets off with nothing. Maybe if the resultant head injury from the Dowd check to the head had meant Oakford missed a few games injured. Oh, hang on...................
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Post by Shorty on Dec 9, 2014 13:40:55 GMT
Does the highlights show the blatant trip in the last minutes of the game when we were already 5 on 4? Even Bennett said on the commentary Steelers got away with it. With Modig pulled, we would have had 6 on 3, and whilst there is no guarantee we would have scored, it could have led to us getting a point at least.
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Post by iginla on Dec 9, 2014 20:22:34 GMT
That blatant trip on Lawrence not being called was ridiculous,it was almost a rugby tackle.
The Dowd elbow call should have been reviewed,but there was probably a deal done by trading off the hit from behind that Benny could possibly have been cited for. A case of "we won't ask if you don't" scenario.
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Post by dp on Dec 9, 2014 21:05:59 GMT
Reckless - yes.
Avoidable - yes.
Primary point of contact to the head - yes.
Injury on the play which resulted in Oakford playing no further part in the game and missing subsequent games - yes.
And plenty of the other things that Seth Bennett, Steelers commentator and supporter, cites when he's reading out the results of the DOPS reviews.
Iginla - normally I'd agree, but any play that results in an injury is reviewed automatically isn't it, so there'd be no way we could ask for it not be reviewed?
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Post by iginla on Dec 9, 2014 21:30:46 GMT
Dowd wasn't give a major game/matchtch pen though.
I'm not certain but I think Panthers would have had to ask for a review on Dowd. Why would they not have,or even if they did and it got reviewed but no action taken I reckon we would have heard about it.
Why would we not want Dowd banned if we could have done so and therefore weakened our biggest rivals ?
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