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Post by tootootrain on Oct 8, 2013 18:35:35 GMT
Forward Derek Campbell has been banned for 47 matches following a mandatory review by the Rapid Solicitors Elite League head of discipline Moray Hanson. Campbell was given a match penalty for excessive roughness in the third period (54:55) of Hull Stingrays' game with Dundee Stars on Saturday 5th October 2013. In addition, there was an off-ice incident involving Campbell after he had been escorted off the ice towards the dressing room. Listed below is a breakdown of the suspensions... Fighting off the ice = 15 matches Attempted eye gouge = 12 matches Knee to the head = 10 matches Excessive force to the head resulting in an impact to the ice = 10 matches One match of the 47 was served in Hull's game at Dundee on Sunday 6th October 2013. Hanson said: "There are many aspects to this serious incident and that is why I have broken it down into separate sections. "I have studied the game tape in great detail and I have spoken with the three officials, who all were able to give me detailed reports. "This is a very nasty incident and there is no place for any of these actions in our sport." I think that is his career over, at least in the IIHF-affiliated world. Whilst he may be able to appeal and get it reduced a little for restriction of trade or some such it won't shift much and any team that would sign him surely wouldn't be able to carry him until the ban was completed. Wow! Thought it would be big but not 47! Tight on Hull having to see out the season with an import down... Assuming they dont bother signing anyone for any few games they may have after the next 46 Hull don't have to see out the season an import down, when players are sacked the ban goes with them.
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Post by dp on Oct 8, 2013 18:38:57 GMT
Unbelievable. Never been a big fan of Campbell's, but that is just absolutely ridiculous. The number of games for each incident are just completely made up!
He'd have been better off fighting a fan than a player by the looks of it.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Oct 8, 2013 18:39:14 GMT
Moray Hanson is a God - well not really - but I am proud of him - when he needed to act decisively he has done just that - well done Moray - bye bye Soupy
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Post by ted logan on Oct 8, 2013 18:41:10 GMT
Wow 47 games!!!
That is massive but looking at his crime sheet when it's broken down there are some incriminating offences.
So do Hull have to play an import down for 47 games or does the fact that they sacked him mean they can sign a replacement and ice him immediately?
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Oct 8, 2013 18:42:55 GMT
Absolute joke!!!!!!!
10 games would of been fair.
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Post by joesteeler on Oct 8, 2013 18:43:30 GMT
dp is that serious or are you taking the pi55
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Post by ted logan on Oct 8, 2013 18:49:36 GMT
Absolute joke!!!!!!! 10 games would of been fair. Seriously? You called a 5 game ban for Chris Murray for what he did on Sunday at Coventry then say that Campbell should have only got 10 games for those offences? How's that work then?
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 8, 2013 18:52:42 GMT
Absolute joke!!!!!!! 10 games would of been fair. For each offense maybe (and this is bourne out by equivalent bans handed out in other leagues) but he didn't commit just one offense. Eye gouging alone is bad enough, absolute cowardice and a disgusting act to perform against a fellow sportsman. I understand you like the 'rougher' aspects of the game but this sort of idiocy has no place in it and (not that you probably care) but I believe to say such a list of offences deserves ten games suspended total undermines your credibility and perhaps nails your colours to the 'thuggery fan' mast rather than that of a fight fan in the eyes of some. Its not figure skating but there are lines that can even be crossed in this sport and Campbell ran past them.
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Post by dp on Oct 8, 2013 18:59:29 GMT
dp is that serious or are you taking the pi55 Well the Steelers nettie "appeared" to attack a fan at Dundee last season - not even reviewed. Olson attacks a fan at Cardiff last season - no suspension. Conboy barges the ref - 6 games was it? Limpwright TWO two handed baseball slashes on Olson - not even reviewed. Kelsey Wilson two handed baseball slash - 3 games....and lots of condemnation from officials at Limpwright's club. Belfast player barges ref against Sheffield - just a few games wasn't it? It's just bizarre.
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Post by panthermatt on Oct 8, 2013 19:03:29 GMT
I have to say I am a little surprised at the length of the ban but if he did do what the bans have accused him of then I have to say well done to Hansen for once with his ruling. I am all for the rough stuff but there has to be some limits to what is allowed. Hansen has set a marker for players to take notice of. I am just wondering how his ban will work presumably if he goes to any league that is affiliated to the IIHF then he will still have to serve his ban first.
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Post by joesteeler on Oct 8, 2013 19:13:15 GMT
But that's last season? This season there is a new bloke in charge so surely bans will be of different length?
I don't know how people can say it's harsh. He attempted an eye gouge, knee to the head and fought off the ice?
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 8, 2013 19:14:39 GMT
Just as a bit of balance to the "OMG, overreaction" crowd, an NHL player was once banned for 23 games for gobbing off to an official and leaving the penalty box to fight, and this was pre-Shanaban. No eye gouging, forcing head into ice, kneeing the head or fighting off the ice involved, just gobbing off to a stripey and leaving the box to fight.
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Post by panthermatt on Oct 8, 2013 19:15:19 GMT
I know someone is going to correct me on this but I have had a quick look on the internet at ice hockey suspensions and going on a site I have had a look at Campbells ban is about the fourth longest ever given out.
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Oct 8, 2013 19:18:54 GMT
Absolute joke!!!!!!! 10 games would of been fair. Seriously? You called a 5 game ban for Chris Murray for what he did on Sunday at Coventry then say that Campbell should have only got 10 games for those offences? How's that work then? What Murray did on Sunday was cheap and dangerous. It also looked a lot worse in person than it did on the video. The video shows next to no contact but a lot of intent was there.
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Post by Zukiwskyfan on Oct 8, 2013 19:25:22 GMT
Absolute joke!!!!!!! 10 games would of been fair. For each offense maybe (and this is bourne out by equivalent bans handed out in other leagues) but he didn't commit just one offense. Eye gouging alone is bad enough, absolute cowardice and a disgusting act to perform against a fellow sportsman. I understand you like the 'rougher' aspects of the game but this sort of idiocy has no place in it and (not that you probably care) but I believe to say such a list of offences deserves ten games suspended total undermines your credibility and perhaps nails your colours to the 'thuggery fan' mast rather than that of a fight fan in the eyes of some. Its not figure skating but there are lines that can even be crossed in this sport and Campbell ran past them. 10 games is a huge suspension for an import on a EIHL team. 10 games would of hurt the team a lot more than 47 as they would of probably kept him and ran short for the duration. You can't go round attacking players off the ice but compared to other suspensions handed out 47 games is ott.
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Post by ted logan on Oct 8, 2013 19:34:13 GMT
Seriously? You called a 5 game ban for Chris Murray for what he did on Sunday at Coventry then say that Campbell should have only got 10 games for those offences? How's that work then? What Murray did on Sunday was cheap and dangerous. It also looked a lot worse in person than it did on the video. The video shows next to no contact but a lot of intent was there. Even if it was that bad and he did get 5 games, you can't seriously believe that Campbell should only get 5 games more? I'd probably agree with you that 47 games is excessive but 10 wouldn't have been enough. Somewhere inbetween maybe?
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Post by tootootrain on Oct 8, 2013 19:41:39 GMT
For each offense maybe (and this is bourne out by equivalent bans handed out in other leagues) but he didn't commit just one offense. Eye gouging alone is bad enough, absolute cowardice and a disgusting act to perform against a fellow sportsman. I understand you like the 'rougher' aspects of the game but this sort of idiocy has no place in it and (not that you probably care) but I believe to say such a list of offences deserves ten games suspended total undermines your credibility and perhaps nails your colours to the 'thuggery fan' mast rather than that of a fight fan in the eyes of some. Its not figure skating but there are lines that can even be crossed in this sport and Campbell ran past them. 10 games is a huge suspension for an import on a EIHL team. 10 games would of hurt the team a lot more than 47 as they would of probably kept him and ran short for the duration. You can't go round attacking players off the ice but compared to other suspensions handed out 47 games is ott. You can't go handing out bans for mulitple offenses equivalent to those that have been given for single offences just because "thats enough to hurt the team". He is judged to have committed four clear offenses, each one worthy of the suspension that has been levied against it. Ten games for the lot would not only belittle the seriousness of the offenses but also likely be under the IIHF recommended minimums for said offences. Also what message would it send? "If you're gonna go nuts really lose it, its all the same". There is an arguement that he got off lightly really, especially regarding the eye gouging. In another physical sport that recognises the cowardice and danger such actions carry with them (Rugby Union) David Attoub got a 70 week ban, later reduced to 52 for an eye gouge alone.
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Post by Nemesis on Oct 8, 2013 19:47:29 GMT
As the bans are for four offences, do the bans run concurrently or consecutively?
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Post by dp on Oct 8, 2013 19:50:54 GMT
Whatever we say about how bad his offences were, we're talking here about a league who only give a few games for attacking an official. For me, however bad the officials are, their personal space is absolutely sacrosanct.
If you look at the video of the Campbell incident, there's absolutely no way you could make out any eye gouging etc from that. And if they're going on the view of the officials rather than a video - if what he's doing is that bad, then why is Hicks just standing there leaning on the plexi chatting???
If one thing could sum up how terrible the Elite League is...!
Just to give a comparison, for what many consider to be the worst (or best) scenes in British hockey history, the following bans were handed out:
Allison - 14 games Vial - 6 games Nieckar - 5 games
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 8, 2013 19:53:53 GMT
Is there a video?
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Post by PantherG on Oct 8, 2013 20:17:40 GMT
Absolute joke!!!!!!! 10 games would of been fair. This post is a joke right? So you think ten games is ok for someone who tried to gorge someone's eye out, this is the most sickening thing I read and I think he's been let off lightly with only 47 games. In Rugby you can be banned for three years for attempting such a disgusting thing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 20:52:34 GMT
Whatever we say about how bad his offences were, we're talking here about a league who only give a few games for attacking an official. For me, however bad the officials are, their personal space is absolutely sacrosanct. If you look at the video of the Campbell incident, there's absolutely no way you could make out any eye gouging etc from that. And if they're going on the view of the officials rather than a video - if what he's doing is that bad, then why is Hicks just standing there leaning on the plexi chatting??? If one thing could sum up how terrible the Elite League is...! Just to give a comparison, for what many consider to be the worst (or best) scenes in British hockey history, the following bans were handed out: Allison - 14 games Vial - 6 games Nieckar - 5 games I'm sure Barry got in excess of 10 games for THAT incident
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Post by oldman on Oct 8, 2013 21:08:09 GMT
to be honest he is no loss to our league the guy is a bit of a joke and has been for a long while.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 21:21:15 GMT
If it hasn't been done already, I would have thought something needs to be said to the Hull arena management about preventing players getting at each other off the ice.
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Post by Vazarenka on Oct 8, 2013 21:21:35 GMT
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