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Post by Shaggy on Dec 30, 2012 18:09:19 GMT
The NHLpa and owners have been locked in talks for the last 3 hours , no news as of yet .... It's an information meeting only - no negotiations...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 19:52:23 GMT
The NHLpa and owners have been locked in talks for the last 3 hours , no news as of yet .... It's an information meeting only - no negotiations... Errr it's a meeting to discuss the latest proposal been out forward from the owners . It's a step in the right direction
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 30, 2012 20:13:18 GMT
It's an information meeting only - no negotiations... Errr it's a meeting to discuss the latest proposal been out forward from the owners . It's a step in the right direction Hmmm... not so much a step... a slight shuffle at most. Only the supporting cast from both sides - legal and financial advisors - have been meeting... basically all they are doing is clarifying points of information and polishing up their presentations to each negotiating team. This dispute isn't about points of information or even really about the various conditions that each side have been putting forward or rejecting... that's just the superficial stuff. This is about power. This is about ideology. And 9 times out of 10, that means that there won't be any resolution until one side or the other fully accepts that it cannot win. Don't hold your breath.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2012 20:24:56 GMT
If you ve read the latest proposals from the owners they have moved slightly to where they were.
im always quietly confident as back in 1994/5 the league got underway on January 14th and the regular season went into the may if im not mistaken
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 30, 2012 20:43:10 GMT
If you ve read the latest proposals from the owners they have moved slightly to where they were. im always quietly confident as back in 1994/5 the league got underway on January 14th and the regular season went into the may if im not mistaken And the last lockout cost an entire season... so forgive me if I don't feel much confidence, quiet or otherwise. As for movement from the owners... so? They've only moved slightly - will it be enough? I have serious doubts. Remember that the players have already lost more money than they would ever gain even if they got everything they have been demanding. Which indicates that the owners simply shifting a bit on a few points cannot be assumed to be moving towards a resolution.
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Post by Dan on Dec 30, 2012 21:20:56 GMT
I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by Dan on Jan 6, 2013 14:46:02 GMT
And we're back.
I totally forgot we've got Luke Schenn!
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Post by Yotes on Jan 6, 2013 15:02:07 GMT
Great news that its sorted.
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 6, 2013 16:01:28 GMT
On the surface, this is very good news. The NHL is back - fans get their hockey, lower-league players who got displaced by NHLers have a chance to get their slots back, etc etc.
Below this thin veneer, however... there's a horrible mess to clear up:-
- any kind of trust between players and owners - if not gone completely - is going to need an awful lot of work and time to get back. Neither side has viewed the other as anything but the enemy for some time now... and some of the outbursts on social media etc may have cut even the thickest-skinned recipient.
- sponsors aren't going to be happy. I've seen it mentioned a few times that there could well be demands for refunds running into tens of millions of dollars (or more!). Bet some of the companies giving endorsements to superstar players aren't too chuffed neither. Might be a bit of a squeeze coming...
- a lot of the fans are livid. Much of what's been said online ("I'm not going to go back this season if there is a season") may well be just bluster... but you can bet that a fair amount of it isn't. Attendances could well be down, merchandise sales etc down... all this arguing over what percentage of HRR the players get... congratulations boys (both sides) - you've likely managed to shrink the total HRR pot quite noticeably. That as well as losing all of the money that could have been earned by 3+ months of hockey, the Winter Classic, the All-Stars weekend, etc.
- what about all of the employees (of clubs, of arenas, etc) and the owners & employees of outside associated businesses who lost their jobs or had income badly reduced by this... the 'collateral damage'? Trust & goodwill - badly damaged or gone completely. Legal action? With the litigation-obsessed nature of many across the pond, you can bet if there's a way they'll find it.
- can't see the TV networks being all that happy (no Winter Classic, no 24/7, schedules disrupted, etc). I don't know enough of the specifics to say... but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a fair amount of damage there as well.
I'm also wondering how long the honeymoon period - where both sides smile sweetly at the cameras and say how honourable their opponents were in coming to this agreement - will last before the backbiting starts. And not just from the participants, either. The media, fans and who-the-hell-knows-else are going to start picking it all apart and making claims as to who caved in, who 'won' and who 'lost', who is to blame, etc. The gravy train for the players and/or owners (delete according to prejudice) may be about to start running, but the diarrohea train of PR, spin, propaganda and plain bovine droppings is only going to pick up speed.
Anyone care to guess how long - if ever - it will take to get things back to 'normal'? How many years, I mean...
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Post by qlue on Jan 6, 2013 16:54:57 GMT
Jumping the gun on the NHL being back on IMO.
Still a lot of potential for a spanner to be thrown into the works.
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Post by qlue on Jan 6, 2013 17:00:07 GMT
On the surface, this is very good news. The NHL is back - fans get their hockey, lower-league players who got displaced by NHLers have a chance to get their slots back, etc etc. Below this thin veneer, however... there's a horrible mess to clear up:- - any kind of trust between players and owners - if not gone completely - is going to need an awful lot of work and time to get back. Neither side has viewed the other as anything but the enemy for some time now... and some of the outbursts on social media etc may have cut even the thickest-skinned recipient. - sponsors aren't going to be happy. I've seen it mentioned a few times that there could well be demands for refunds running into tens of millions of dollars (or more!). Bet some of the companies giving endorsements to superstar players aren't too chuffed neither. Might be a bit of a squeeze coming... - a lot of the fans are livid. Much of what's been said online ("I'm not going to go back this season if there is a season") may well be just bluster... but you can bet that a fair amount of it isn't. Attendances could well be down, merchandise sales etc down... all this arguing over what percentage of HRR the players get... congratulations boys (both sides) - you've likely managed to shrink the total HRR pot quite noticeably. That as well as losing all of the money that could have been earned by 3+ months of hockey, the Winter Classic, the All-Stars weekend, etc. - what about all of the employees (of clubs, of arenas, etc) and the owners & employees of outside associated businesses who lost their jobs or had income badly reduced by this... the 'collateral damage'? Trust & goodwill - badly damaged or gone completely. Legal action? With the litigation-obsessed nature of many across the pond, you can bet if there's a way they'll find it. - can't see the TV networks being all that happy (no Winter Classic, no 24/7, schedules disrupted, etc). I don't know enough of the specifics to say... but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a fair amount of damage there as well. I'm also wondering how long the honeymoon period - where both sides smile sweetly at the cameras and say how honourable their opponents were in coming to this agreement - will last before the backbiting starts. And not just from the participants, either. The media, fans and who-the-hell-knows-else are going to start picking it all apart and making claims as to who caved in, who 'won' and who 'lost', who is to blame, etc. The gravy train for the players and/or owners (delete according to prejudice) may be about to start running, but the diarrohea train of PR, spin, propaganda and plain bovine droppings is only going to pick up speed. Anyone care to guess how long - if ever - it will take to get things back to 'normal'? How many years, I mean... Most of the sponsors would of entered into an agreement knowing that there was a very real possibility of a lockout happening this year. I know all the TV networks agreed to pay even if no hockey was played so while they won't be very pleased they did sign the deal. I reckon in a lot of players the attendances could actually be up to start with every hockey fan knows how much they miss there hockey after a very short while. Not to mention with such a short season every regular season game will be crucial to get into the play-offs
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Post by LUFC on Jan 6, 2013 18:51:54 GMT
On the surface, this is very good news. The NHL is back - fans get their hockey, lower-league players who got displaced by NHLers have a chance to get their slots back, etc etc. Below this thin veneer, however... there's a horrible mess to clear up:- - any kind of trust between players and owners - if not gone completely - is going to need an awful lot of work and time to get back. Neither side has viewed the other as anything but the enemy for some time now... and some of the outbursts on social media etc may have cut even the thickest-skinned recipient. - sponsors aren't going to be happy. I've seen it mentioned a few times that there could well be demands for refunds running into tens of millions of dollars (or more!). Bet some of the companies giving endorsements to superstar players aren't too chuffed neither. Might be a bit of a squeeze coming... - a lot of the fans are livid. Much of what's been said online ("I'm not going to go back this season if there is a season") may well be just bluster... but you can bet that a fair amount of it isn't. Attendances could well be down, merchandise sales etc down... all this arguing over what percentage of HRR the players get... congratulations boys (both sides) - you've likely managed to shrink the total HRR pot quite noticeably. That as well as losing all of the money that could have been earned by 3+ months of hockey, the Winter Classic, the All-Stars weekend, etc. - what about all of the employees (of clubs, of arenas, etc) and the owners & employees of outside associated businesses who lost their jobs or had income badly reduced by this... the 'collateral damage'? Trust & goodwill - badly damaged or gone completely. Legal action? With the litigation-obsessed nature of many across the pond, you can bet if there's a way they'll find it. - can't see the TV networks being all that happy (no Winter Classic, no 24/7, schedules disrupted, etc). I don't know enough of the specifics to say... but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a fair amount of damage there as well. I'm also wondering how long the honeymoon period - where both sides smile sweetly at the cameras and say how honourable their opponents were in coming to this agreement - will last before the backbiting starts. And not just from the participants, either. The media, fans and who-the-hell-knows-else are going to start picking it all apart and making claims as to who caved in, who 'won' and who 'lost', who is to blame, etc. The gravy train for the players and/or owners (delete according to prejudice) may be about to start running, but the diarrohea train of PR, spin, propaganda and plain bovine droppings is only going to pick up speed. Anyone care to guess how long - if ever - it will take to get things back to 'normal'? How many years, I mean... Most of the sponsors would of entered into an agreement knowing that there was a very real possibility of a lockout happening this year. I know all the TV networks agreed to pay even if no hockey was played so while they won't be very pleased they did sign the deal. I reckon in a lot of players the attendances could actually be up to start with every hockey fan knows how much they miss there hockey after a very short while. Not to mention with such a short season every regular season game will be crucial to get into the play-offs It took years to get attendances and tv/sponsorship revenue back to where it was before the last lock out. They keep shooting themselves int he foot by being pathetic. Both sides had good and bad points. But end of the day without the owners there would be no hockey clubs. They should hold the power imo. I would hate for the players get the sort of power they have in football and let salaries spiral even further out of control.
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Post by Dan on Jan 6, 2013 22:12:41 GMT
Jumping the gun on the NHL being back on IMO. Still a lot of potential for a spanner to be thrown into the works. Not a prayer mate, it'd be career and possibly literal suicide to cockerel it up now.
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Post by Jay on Jan 8, 2013 18:57:58 GMT
Moved to Canada in September and was gutted there is no hockey, the bar i work in is right by the saddledome and we used to get stupid busy and we've been so quiet, this works well for me!
bring it on.
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Post by Outlaw on Jan 9, 2013 16:54:45 GMT
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Post by Dan on Jan 9, 2013 16:59:34 GMT
Aye, conference only is nailed-on but the irritating thing is how the divisions will line up. A 48 game schedule means that you play two of your divisional rivals five times and the other two four times. That's not in any way fair, especially as we've got the Islanders.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2013 21:27:15 GMT
schedule to be released FRiday/saturday , hurry up i wanna buy my Rangers tickets!!! (hopefully they will be at home when im there)
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 9, 2013 23:30:07 GMT
Is there a requirement to play 48 games for some strange reason. O.k if it's too tight to squeeze in the extra 2 games to play an even amount against your division then i can understand, but why not drop to a 46 game season and play them all 4 times rather than an inbalance? seems odd to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 15:25:03 GMT
The Rangers schedule has apparently been leaked, as all 30 teams got handed their schedule this morning. Crazy for the players but great for the fans !! 4 games a week all season .
Luckily ive done good, the day i arrive into New York ... the rangers are at home to ... Philly ;D ;D
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Post by Dan on Jan 11, 2013 21:22:59 GMT
It's not all that bad for the players at all. Last season we played our last 48 games over only 4 more days.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 21:27:04 GMT
latest is the schedules will be released tomorrow ...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2013 7:50:06 GMT
The lockout is officially over !! Season starts next sat and runs to April 27th . Bring it on . I've just got to get tickets now to a rangers game very soon
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Post by David on Jan 14, 2013 17:59:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 16:14:38 GMT
Get in!! just purchased a pair of tickets to see the Rangers and Leafs next saturday . whats the views like in the 200s?
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Post by TSM on Jan 16, 2013 18:58:41 GMT
Not sure buddy, but my mate is going NYC got tickets to see Rangers v Bruins at MSG, hope he brings me a program back.
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