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Post by David on Jan 15, 2012 18:10:34 GMT
bobness we arent the NHL and this isnt america, its all about the league for the leagues that matter in this country and ice hockey is no different... in Rugby League now, I believe, the play offs are the main prize. I think the league is a greater prize though. It's how you perform over the course of a season, not just a few games at the end of it. The NHL play offs are a completely different format and go on a lot longer. It works more like a world cup; the league to qualify is just your first step to the main event.
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Post by texpef on Jan 15, 2012 18:22:57 GMT
David i did say for the leagues that matter...
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Post by David on Jan 15, 2012 18:25:18 GMT
David i did say for the leagues that matter... Haha I meant to put union But I quite like rugby.
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 15, 2012 18:28:59 GMT
I Bet they are already in talks with Kevin Bergin lol yep, on a part time basic so he can work in the chip shop and we can save money on wages. The league is most important because our play offs are pants.
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Post by texpef on Jan 15, 2012 21:40:17 GMT
And you can bet the "challenge cup finalist" will qualify quite nicely thank you as an adequate distraction....
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Post by Spooks on Jan 15, 2012 21:48:30 GMT
Moran is a professional. We're still a rock solid and profitable club. Last time i checked sport was about winning. Your talking about a business to line blacks pockets nothing more.
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Post by iginla on Jan 15, 2012 22:07:16 GMT
Of course the challenge cup is vitally important to Panthers.
If you make the semi final, its an additional home crowd pay day.
And if you make the final, its an even bigger additional home crowd pay day.
League..........what does that matter,that doesn't make you extra gate money if you win it !!!!
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Post by robbo2306 on Jan 16, 2012 1:05:25 GMT
Moran is a professional. We're still a rock solid and profitable club. Last time i checked sport was about winning. Your talking about a business to line blacks pockets nothing more. 100% correct. Businessmen are not interested in winning, only how much money is in their pocket. NB & GM have done an exceptional job off the ice but, for a club of your resources, they've not matched those heights on the ice *yet*.
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Post by Shorty on Jan 16, 2012 8:53:41 GMT
100% correct. Businessmen are not interested in winning, only how much money is in their pocket. Thats the complete opposite of how Sheffield have been run. Thats all been about winning, whatever the cost and who you trample on along the way.
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Post by sambo79 on Jan 16, 2012 9:06:12 GMT
If people weren't so rightly/wrongly cynical of the Panthers organisation, surely they would see that these 'distractions' are GM addressing problems that need to be addressed. I'm not Moran's biggest fan, but bringing in Strachan, extra imports as cover etc can only be good decisions by him for the benefit of the team, right? Haters gonna hate. As long as they fear?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 16, 2012 9:42:09 GMT
Of course the challenge cup is vitally important to Panthers. If you make the semi final, its an additional home crowd pay day. And if you make the final, its an even bigger additional home crowd pay day. League..........what does that matter,that doesn't make you extra gate money if you win it !!!! Bingo.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 16, 2012 9:43:33 GMT
Moran is a professional. We're still a rock solid and profitable club. Last time i checked sport was about winning. Your talking about a business to line blacks pockets nothing more. I have never ever followed any other sport in 40 odd years where the fans have been so happy to loose. NB is #winning.
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 16, 2012 13:32:51 GMT
Last time i checked sport was about winning. Your talking about a business to line blacks pockets nothing more. I have never ever followed any other sport in 40 odd years where the fans have been so happy to loose. NB is #winning. Who's happy to lose? No-one. Just not everyone goes overboard with the moaning, demands for everyone to be sacked etc.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 16, 2012 14:50:23 GMT
I have never ever followed any other sport in 40 odd years where the fans have been so happy to loose. NB is #winning. Who's happy to lose? No-one. Just not everyone goes overboard with the moaning, demands for everyone to be sacked etc. I meant at the arena actually.
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 16, 2012 17:37:37 GMT
Who's happy to lose? No-one. Just not everyone goes overboard with the moaning, demands for everyone to be sacked etc. I meant at the arena actually. Still struggling to see who is "so happy to lose"... Are you talking about people who clap the opposition off the ice? Or clap the Panthers off when they lose? If so, you're way off the mark.
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Post by robbo2306 on Jan 16, 2012 18:01:27 GMT
100% correct. Businessmen are not interested in winning, only how much money is in their pocket. Thats the complete opposite of how Sheffield have been run. Thats all been about winning, whatever the cost and who you trample on along the way. Nice of you to not quote the line about NB & GM so it reads out of context!!
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Post by robbo2306 on Jan 16, 2012 18:03:26 GMT
I meant at the arena actually. Still struggling to see who is "so happy to lose"... Are you talking about people who clap the opposition off the ice? Or clap the Panthers off when they lose? If so, you're way off the mark. I wouldn't say happy to lose, more content with not winning as long as you've been entertained.
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Post by texpef on Jan 16, 2012 18:09:32 GMT
Still struggling to see who is "so happy to lose"... Are you talking about people who clap the opposition off the ice? Or clap the Panthers off when they lose? If so, you're way off the mark. I wouldn't say happy to lose, more content with not winning as long as you've been entertained. Unbelievable Robbo you must be the 1% of sheffield fans that think more about a good game than the steelers winning everything...
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 16, 2012 19:13:01 GMT
Still struggling to see who is "so happy to lose"... Are you talking about people who clap the opposition off the ice? Or clap the Panthers off when they lose? If so, you're way off the mark. I wouldn't say happy to lose, more content with not winning as long as you've been entertained. Closer to the truth, I think... but still not there. I don't think that anyone is "content" to lose, however entertaining the game... what I think is that we have a situation where we have a vocal minority here on the forum who only seem to be satisfied by finding fault - no matter how hard they have to look - and anyone who doesn't jump on their condemnation bandwagon is derided as being "happy to lose" or a "happy-clapper" or some other such rubbish. There appears to be a view that if we don't win every single game or if we don't win the league then it's all 100% crap, everyone should be fired, and anyone who dares to disagree with this mindset is part of the problem and should join those in front of the firing squad. Basically, some people really need to get a grip...
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 16, 2012 19:14:18 GMT
100% correct. Businessmen are not interested in winning, only how much money is in their pocket. Thats the complete opposite of how Sheffield have been run. Thats all been about winning, whatever the cost and who you trample on along the way. Can't fault them, sure some of the things they've done haven't been squeaky clean, but the trophy cabinet don't lie. Panthers are too nice to be champions, that needs to change big time.
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Post by elliottstanley on Jan 16, 2012 19:22:04 GMT
I wouldn't say happy to lose, more content with not winning as long as you've been entertained. Closer to the truth, I think... but still not there. I don't think that anyone is "content" to lose, however entertaining the game... what I think is that we have a situation where we have a vocal minority here on the forum who only seem to be satisfied by finding fault - no matter how hard they have to look - and anyone who doesn't jump on their condemnation bandwagon is derided as being "happy to lose" or a "happy-clapper" or some other such rubbish. There appears to be a view that if we don't win every single game or if we don't win the league then it's all 100% crap, everyone should be fired, and anyone who dares to disagree with this mindset is part of the problem and should join those in front of the firing squad. Basically, some people really need to get a grip... Agree however more to the point I would suggest a large portion of the attendees at any given home game have no idea where Panthers are in the league and simply turn up to be entertained. No problem with that, that is their choice and I more than happily accept that my choice to attend very few games and keep my cash in my pocket is likely of no real concern to Mr Black and Mr Moran. I will take that on the chin. Sport is about winning to me and whilst I can accept my team not doing that every game I want to feel they've done everything possible to win in the first place. I don't feel that, not by a long shot, and therefore I've made that choice - which I will live with. I fully accept others feel differently and would not castigate anyone for that, we all have our own definitions of entertainment and enjoyment.
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Post by texpef on Jan 16, 2012 19:37:34 GMT
I wouldn't say happy to lose, more content with not winning as long as you've been entertained. Closer to the truth, I think... but still not there. I don't think that anyone is "content" to lose, however entertaining the game... what I think is that we have a situation where we have a vocal minority here on the forum who only seem to be satisfied by finding fault - no matter how hard they have to look - and anyone who doesn't jump on their condemnation bandwagon is derided as being "happy to lose" or a "happy-clapper" or some other such rubbish. There appears to be a view that if we don't win every single game or if we don't win the league then it's all 100% crap, everyone should be fired, and anyone who dares to disagree with this mindset is part of the problem and should join those in front of the firing squad. Basically, some people really need to get a grip... sorry about this shaggy but it really is a load of Bull, Personally speaking now i am not happy to moan, i moan because i am not happy its that simple. I dont expect panthers to win every game just one more than any one else. THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT THE CASE THIS SEASON. You can believe what ever you want thats your perogative but please dont tell me that i am happy to moan when the panthers loose, i am just unhappy when they do and am just expressing that particular feeling that is all. This is especially true when we play teams who are not as well supported and as financially stable as panthers and/or are short staffed. Imho it is unacceptable to loose.
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Post by Mark on Jan 16, 2012 19:58:43 GMT
I don't think anyone needs to get a grip. 32 years and no league title is long enough. No one expects to win every game but the league, I think after all this time that's a reasonable expectation.
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Post by elliottstanley on Jan 16, 2012 20:04:07 GMT
I don't think anyone needs to get a grip. 32 years and no league title is long enough. No one expects to win every game but the league, I think after all this time that's a reasonable expectation. Have to agree. As I say I respect anyone's choice to do as they want and attend matches, buy season tickets etc. I made a conscious choice to vote with my feet (and cash) for a number of reasons. Panthers have had less than £100 out of me this season and likely wont have a penny more - in previous years they would have had £1500 minimum in sponsorship, season tickets plus matches not on season tickets, other people brought to games who otherwise wouldn't attend, merchandise, programmes etc. Thus far I do not regret that decision one bit but that doesn't make me happy, actually I want nothing more than to regret not having a season ticket, to be shelling out game after game to see Panthers push all the way towards a league title - whether they win it or not.
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Post by spik on Jan 16, 2012 20:49:13 GMT
Of course the challenge cup is vitally important to Panthers. If you make the semi final, its an additional home crowd pay day. And if you make the final, its an even bigger additional home crowd pay day. League..........what does that matter,that doesn't make you extra gate money if you win it !!!! If a spare date is found of course. What I worry about is which league game we are going to fit it in with.
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