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Post by Doughnut on Oct 6, 2004 15:27:49 GMT
All sounds fair enough to me.
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Post by NevesMetro on Oct 6, 2004 15:33:28 GMT
Thanks Geoff Sounds fine to me as well. So Oct 31st isn't set in stone then?
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Post by nuttyrockeress on Oct 6, 2004 15:38:56 GMT
Sorry, just to confirm there have been a few fixture changes.........
The week leading up to the Sheffield game looks like this:-
Sat 23rd Oct Home Cardiff Tues 26th Oct Home Belfast Sun 31st Oct Home Sheffield
Hope that clears a few things - this list has been obtained by a collegue who has been given this today as the new fixture list from the Ice Arena....
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Post by NevesMetro on Oct 6, 2004 15:42:33 GMT
Sorry, just to confirm there have been a few fixture changes......... The week leading up to the Sheffield game looks like this:- Sat 23rd Oct Home Cardiff Tues 26th Oct Home Belfast Sun 31st Oct Home Sheffield Hope that clears a few things - this list has been obtained by a collegue who has been given this today as the new fixture list from the Ice Arena.... Sorry, Not really. Does this mean that we don't play Edinburgh on the Sat 30th?
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Post by twix on Oct 6, 2004 15:42:48 GMT
Thanks for your reponse Geoff. Although I can't pretend to agree with your views on this I'm not going to debate them (at the moment anyway).
One question I do have is in relation to this statement:
I may have missed a statement here but part of the reason fans aren't happy with the October 31st fixture is it means Panthers are playing 3 games in three nights including Edinburgh at home on Saturday 30th. Has this now been re-scheduled due to the Sheffield fixture change?
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Post by heja on Oct 6, 2004 15:53:04 GMT
but how many people do they get, i'm sure its not in the thousands, so why can't it be done on the olympic rink?? just a question, as it would make more sense
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2004 15:53:05 GMT
Whilst I appreciate the efforts of the NIC in providing information to clarify the situation, I just wonder when it would have come to light if it hadn't been raised on here first.
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Post by MP on Oct 6, 2004 15:56:58 GMT
Thanks for taking the time to explain the situation Geoff - knowing the whys and wherefors always helps put things in perspective.
Steve.
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 6, 2004 16:21:40 GMT
but how many people do they get, i'm sure its not in the thousands, so why can't it be done on the olympic rink?? just a question, as it would make more sense Any more than 100 people and there'll be no room for anyone to sit in the Olympic Rink. Be fair - any kind of Championship MUST be held in the main arena rather than the Olympic.... never mind the prestige of the event (even a championship that is 'obscure' to us is important to lots of others) - the facilities are better in the main arena (and so is the ice!). Geoff Huckstep has a fair point about the Panthers (or even ice hockey as a whole) not taking total control...... it's the National ICE Centre - for all ice sports. What right have we to denigrate other 'lesser' ice sports when we constantly complain about the low esteem that our sport is held in by most of the population?
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Post by grayhead on Oct 6, 2004 16:30:01 GMT
Any more than 100 people and there'll be no room for anyone to sit in the Olympic Rink. Be fair - any kind of Championship MUST be held in the main arena rather than the Olympic.... never mind the prestige of the event (even a championship that is 'obscure' to us is important to lots of others) - the facilities are better in the main arena (and so is the ice!). Geoff Huckstep has a fair point about the Panthers (or even ice hockey as a whole) not taking total control...... it's the National ICE Centre - for all ice sports. What right have we to denigrate other 'lesser' ice sports when we constantly complain about the low esteem that our sport is held in by most of the population? I agree 100% Shaggy. People should remember that without the ice centre's support there may not be any ice hockey in Nottingham. Also, we were seen as a minority sport for many years, although we always seemed to fill the old stadium even in the early 1980's. We should accept that consideration for both the Arena profitability and other sports be dealt with fairly, and that we have no right to demand that ice hockey has first option on the dates we want. I know its been said before, I think the main issue here is with us having to play three nights in a row, especially as the third game is with our biggest rivals. Lets hope common sense prevails.
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Post by Heanor Lair on Oct 6, 2004 16:37:40 GMT
Sorry, just to confirm there have been a few fixture changes......... The week leading up to the Sheffield game looks like this:- Sat 23rd Oct Home Cardiff Tues 26th Oct Home Belfast Sun 31st Oct Home Sheffield Hope that clears a few things - this list has been obtained by a collegue who has been given this today as the new fixture list from the Ice Arena.... Bugger! Was looking forward to going to London on the 29th. Suppose the Edinburgh date will now be in January. Whats going to happen to the games when we are playing in Norway and Hungary ;D Regards HL
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Post by nuttyrockeress on Oct 6, 2004 16:56:47 GMT
Sorry, Not really. Does this mean that we don't play Edinburgh on the Sat 30th? No, as I said. The fixtures I mentioned are the Panthers games for that week. If anyone would like me to e-mail them with the updated information, please pm me with your e-mail address and I will do so....
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Post by heja on Oct 6, 2004 16:58:36 GMT
i'm not say we should have first right to choice the dates we want but they should be allowed to book somthing else for that day when it has been booked for2 or 3 months.
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Post by Bretters on Oct 6, 2004 17:26:51 GMT
I agree, they should stick to what they have arranged, instead of booking over the Panthers and then arranging a concert instead.
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Post by grayhead on Oct 6, 2004 17:37:02 GMT
I agree, they should stick to what they have arranged, instead of booking over the Panthers and then arranging a concert instead. I understand what you are saying, but do you know that the game with Sheffield had been booked, confirmed and paid for. I remember reading earlier in the thread that Panthers may not have paid the bond. If this had been a provisional booking, then any business would do the same thing. I'm not saying this is the case, but just suggesting that dates may need to be confirmed and paid for closer to the game date. Remember that Manchester pulled out of the league last season. I wonder if Panthers lost their deposit for not fulfilling the remaining fixtures, although the league was re-arranged. Just a thought!!
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Post by Bretters on Oct 6, 2004 17:39:47 GMT
Can see what your saying and agree with you on it. would of been nice for the Panthers to of put it the website though and let us know.
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Post by grayhead on Oct 6, 2004 17:46:10 GMT
Can see what your saying and agree with you on it. would of been nice for the Panthers to of put it the website though and let us know. I guess it will only be confirmed on the website (Panthers/Steelers and EIHL) when all parties have agreed to the date. From my understanding, the NIC and Panthers have simply made suggestions to new dates for several games. I would suspect it would take a couple of days for all the teams involved to confirm thay accept the changes. Think of the backlash if the dates were changed again in a couple of days time.
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Post by Lynne on Oct 6, 2004 20:59:13 GMT
Geoff - many thanks for replying again. I know how easy it would have been to have not done so and I respect you for speaking out, even when, to quote yourself, "it was a case of damned if you did and damned if you didn't". I assure you that there are some of us who DO appreciate your point of view and the situation you are in. I personally am delighted that the NIC is now moving towards breaking even as this will help to ensure the future of ALL ice sports in nottingham, and also of its availability of the arena. During the time I lived in Nottingham I enjoyed skating at the NIC and going to concerts at the arena as well as watching the Panthers!
To those on here who are saying that the NIC should honour commitments made - nowhere has Geoff said that they haven't. We don't know for sure that the date was set in contractual stone - I suspect that if it was then Neil Black would be complaining about it being changed. The fact that, to my knowledge he hasn't complained, implies that the contract between Panthers and NIC is not so rigid, and so NIC are perfectly within their right to do this.
As for staging a major ice skating championship in the Olympic rink - PLEASE don't make me laugh any more! Those people are professional skaters, they deserve as good treatment as Nottingham is able to give them, and definitely deserve the best ice, best facilities and room for as many people to support them as wish to.
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Post by girdeaux on Oct 6, 2004 21:01:06 GMT
As for staging a major ice skating championship in the Olympic rink - PLEASE don't make me laugh any more! Those people are professional skaters, they deserve as good treatment as Nottingham is able to give them, and definitely deserve the best ice, best facilities and room for as many people to support them as wish to. Great point Lynne
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Post by Lynne on Oct 6, 2004 21:03:31 GMT
Hmm, I'm now rather confused...
Does this mean that the home game against Edinburgh on Sat 30 October is now postponed? I was going to be up in Nottingham for that one too!
Any info gratefully received!
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Post by novahob on Oct 7, 2004 6:57:15 GMT
I just wish the Panthers organisation would let us, the fans know whats happening on this weekend asap. I think it's very poor that the NIC is telling us what's happening before the Panthers are, though i'm very thankful for the NIC sharing this information (good on them).
Hopefully we're not playing 3 games in 3 days that's pure suicide for at least losing 1 game especially if the last one is against the Steelers. If it means waiting longer for the first home game against the Steelers then so be it. I bet the players will not be looking forward to 3 in 3 if thats happening.
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 7, 2004 7:39:23 GMT
Sorry, just to confirm there have been a few fixture changes......... The week leading up to the Sheffield game looks like this:- Sat 23rd Oct Home Cardiff Tues 26th Oct Home Belfast Sun 31st Oct Home Sheffield Hope that clears a few things - this list has been obtained by a collegue who has been given this today as the new fixture list from the Ice Arena.... No offence intended to your colleague.... but shouldn't we wait until we have official public confirmation of this? After all - we've already GOT a fixture list which shows the Sheffield game on Nov 27th..... and that's now not happening... but it's still official (for now). If that can change.... so can a (provisional?) list given to Arena staff, no?
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Post by ktglitz on Oct 7, 2004 9:09:35 GMT
Just to add to the confusion regarding the Edinburgh fixture on the 30th, this date has NOT yet been confirmed as having been moved as far as Edinburgh are concerned.
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Post by Helen B on Oct 7, 2004 9:31:51 GMT
Dave Simms has just confirmed on our forum that the match will be in 31st October F/O at 5pm.
I'll go dressed for Hallowe'en, I'll go as a Steelers supporter, lol.
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Post by nuttyrockeress on Oct 7, 2004 9:41:45 GMT
No offence intended to your colleague.... but shouldn't we wait until we have official public confirmation of this? After all - we've already GOT a fixture list which shows the Sheffield game on Nov 27th..... and that's now not happening... but it's still official (for now). If that can change.... so can a (provisional?) list given to Arena staff, no? He was advised by arena staff that it was an update from the league......
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