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Post by richard1969 on Apr 15, 2011 15:26:15 GMT
It seems to me some are scared that we cannot replace him why do we need to replace him like for like, we could get other guys in who may not have the hands, but a dam sight better work ethic and be putting up the points in a different way. Spot on - Its not just about Belfast its his laid back attitude full stop that doesnt fit with a squad intent on winning a League and performing week in week out We scored plenty playoff weekend where his contribution was limited to say the least IMO I will be very disappointed if he stays - a sign of weak management whilst I am hoping that Corey and Strachan will act decisively this season I honestly believe if we release Jade our chance of winning the League will improve enormously overnight
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Post by pantherdman on Apr 15, 2011 15:28:11 GMT
If only Hockey was played on paper, stats would mean something. Don't make me list the super stat flops we've had over the season.
Yes, some of those boys look like they'd do the business, some are defo out of our price range though.
Better the Devil you know and all that.
If you offered a swap Galbraith for Swez or Gallant I wold rip your arm off.
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Post by gcmandrake on Apr 15, 2011 15:49:18 GMT
If you offered a swap Galbraith for Swez or Gallant I wold rip your arm off. Ditto. But I can't help thinking that Jade would command a much lower wage than either of them.
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Post by bill238 on Apr 15, 2011 16:53:55 GMT
Almost every single one of these players would demand a higher wage than jade, some of the players on this list will be earning near to 10 times the amount jade is earning and I'm not exaggerating
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Post by oldman on Apr 15, 2011 17:11:48 GMT
Almost every single one of these players would demand a higher wage than jade, some of the players on this list will be earning near to 10 times the amount jade is earning and I'm not exaggerating However would they give us a better chance of a league win?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2011 17:18:27 GMT
I'm really not sure where I stand on this, I'll probably be leaning towards not resigning him however I would really not like to see him at another elite league club. He's the sort of fiery character who is likely to raise their game 10% against a former club and could potentially bite us on the ass.
If we keep him then the club would HAVE to nail discipline into him and other players, something I'm not too sure would happen.
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Post by richard1969 on Apr 16, 2011 7:11:10 GMT
I'm really not sure where I stand on this, I'll probably be leaning towards not resigning him however I would really not like to see him at another elite league club. He's the sort of fiery character who is likely to raise their game 10% against a former club and could potentially bite us on the ass. If we keep him then the club would HAVE to nail discipline into him and other players, something I'm not too sure would happen. The very fact he is a player who we may consider could raise his game against us actually sums him up IMO and is the very reason I dont want him part of the squad any more He coasts through so many games during the season and then when he has come in for a bit of stick and gets his bollockings etc he will put extra effort in for a while then disappear into the background again The team he signs for may well find he will raise his game against Panthers but be sure he will go missing for a lot of the other games as well. (I guarantee he would start well for a new team but he simply cannot maintain the focus and desire over a month let alone a season - once people start chanting his name at his new club he will relax and do his usual). I honestly believe he would do any other team in EIHL as much damage as good over a season. Anyone 35 + on here who has a football background on here may know of the description he is a"cheater" (Not someone who breaks the rules) but a term used to describe a footballer who will do just enough each week to look like he is putting in the effort and is a team player when really they are just going through the motions and doing it for effect. They flatter to deceive. Yes he puts the points up but if ever we had a player who "cheats" at our club then it is Jade I find the fact he doesnt back up his huge talent and brilliant hands with 100% application every single time he steps onto the ice for us totally unacceptable and inexcusable to us the fans It makes me upset just thinking about how he "cheats" us throughout the season as above - too many people on here make excuses for him and saying he is only on low wages is not a reason we should keep him at all IMO He has had his time - let's improve the whole team ethic and focus the club on winning the League If you want to talk about stats - look how far off the League we came last season with him as our so called "star performer" and "best player"
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Post by Pies on Apr 16, 2011 7:36:14 GMT
Richard, you out far too much emphasis on Galbraith being the reason we didnt win the league. I can think of many other reasons why we didnt win the league. For example, having a player like Mcdonald and Penner for so long into the season when it was clear they wernt right for this league. Zion's injury and complete lack of form after an injury. Neilson's lack of plan b for 75% of the season. Kowalski's shaky start and injury.
Galbraith was our star preformer in terms of stats. He was in the top 5 point scorers in the league still and his 2 line mates had the best seasons of their careers and I dont think thats a coincidince. And I can assure you he is not the only player who doesnt put 100% effort into every shift.
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Post by Ghost on Apr 16, 2011 7:59:53 GMT
I initially voted to get rid, now I'm not so sure. I don't really know how anyone could know jades wages, but if they do fair enough. I know I don't go round discussing my wage, it's not worth mentioning anyway it's that small! I think I would be more disappointed if Jade signed elsewhere, especially for an EIHL team. Jade has a temper we all know this. He can also be lazy, selfish and stupid. I don't know how many times he's cost us goals though, don't seem to remember that many. There are players on this team that make more costly mistakes, Clarke or Corey for example. I say keep him for what it's worth.
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Post by marshalfish on Apr 16, 2011 9:31:12 GMT
I'm really not sure where I stand on this, I'll probably be leaning towards not resigning him however I would really not like to see him at another elite league club. He's the sort of fiery character who is likely to raise their game 10% against a former club and could potentially bite us on the ass. If we keep him then the club would HAVE to nail discipline into him and other players, something I'm not too sure would happen. I have lurched from one side to the other on this, but I have settled on the "get rid" side. The playoff weekend really did it for me. Of course we won, but IMO we did it without Jade, because once again he went missing in the big ones. Something I think he has been all too prone to do. He has won us many a shoot-out, but the only really effective move he does is beginning to get sussed. When he changes it he often misses. He does have brilliant hands, but the attitude and application outweigh them for me. As far as "biting us on the bum" goes, he seems to routinely go missing in the games against Sheffield, supposedly the biggest we play. His histrionics as he exits a shift either shaking his head or nursing his leg only adds to my frustration towards a player who promises so much, but so often doesn't give it. Edited for grammar
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Post by richard1969 on Apr 16, 2011 11:30:03 GMT
Richard, you out far too much emphasis on Galbraith being the reason we didnt win the league. I can think of many other reasons why we didnt win the league. . And I can assure you he is not the only player who doesnt put 100% effort into every shift. Pies - my last point re not winning the League was just an add on to my major concerns about him - I know he isnt the only reason we didnt win the League but just wanted to point out to all those worried about replacing him that we do need to significantly improve our week in week out results if we are to ever win the League I am up for getting rid of any of our players who dont give 100% every time (unless they are having to play injured) He stands out as the worst culprit though to me - releasing him would send the perferct message to everybdoy at our club (players and fans alike) that things have changed IMO
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Post by Pies on Apr 16, 2011 12:33:20 GMT
The problem is he's out of contract now so in theory cannot be released. It wouldn't send any message not re-signing him. Ultimately its the coaches job to tell players what is acceptable and what isn't. If jade does come back the buck is on Corey to get 100 percent out of him every shift and make sure he follows the rules. If jade breaks them again then by all means sack him. I just think letting our top point man go would be a mistake. We need proven players over players who look good on paper
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Post by panthermatt on Apr 16, 2011 13:01:14 GMT
I completely and utterly agree with the last post from pies he is spot on. great points.
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Post by pantherman66 on Apr 16, 2011 14:01:40 GMT
The posters on this thread that are against wanting Galbraith to come back, see to be wanting him to have the work ethic of a Richardson/Garden. This is not going to happen, whilst admiring players that seem to be 'putting more in' than others, you have to have a mix of attributes to produce a 'team'. It can't be too bad when you can enjoy a beer, and the ladies, like Galbraith does and still have the best hands in the league. I personally do not think that Galbraith cost us the league, as it cannot be that Clarke and Myers had career seasons, and both spent the majority of the season on a line with Galbraith. Having said all that I think he is replaceable, but it would be very difficult (better the devil you know).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2011 21:07:50 GMT
There’s been quite a lot of mud slung at our top scorer on this thread.
He’s petulant – so was John Craighead. So was Craig Melancon. He’s lazy – so was Mike Jeffrey. He drifts in and out of games – so did PC Drouin. So did Dan Dorion.
There are other examples over the years but I can’t think of them right now. The point is that like Galbraith, all of these players were great players, exciting to watch, who should have been playing at a higher level but who, because of who they were, found themselves in the relative backwater in hockey terms that is GB, playing for us. And I’m glad they did.
He doesn’t turn up for the big games – over the two legs of the Challenge Cup final, Galbraith scored or assisted on all of our goals. OK, he only got one assist over the play-off weekend, but it was an assist that only he could have produced, at a crucial time in the final.
He’s not a team player – Ryan’s comment about the advice he received from Galbraith between periods in the play-off final seems to contradict that. What little I see behind the scenes on match nights suggests Galbraith is very much part of the team, but only the coach and players know the truth in that regard.
He can do better/he should be tearing up the league – if he did he wouldn’t be here, but would playing at a higher level somewhere else.
Belfast curfew-gate – hockey players have been doing this sort of thing since the game began, from the NHL down. They are young men with a lot of spare time who want to live life, just as I did at that age. It will never be eradicated. Clubs have to manage it. Panthers did that.
There are a couple of things from this season that stand out for me with regard to Galbraith.
8 February. Panthers mired in a horrible slump. Two days after a shocking defeat in Newcastle, with seven minutes left at home to Coventry we’re 1-0 down to a short-handed goal. Mr Black’s finger is tightening on the trigger of the gun pointing at Neilson. We don’t need a good game or a good period or a good shift. One good play could make the difference.
Van Hoof passes the puck to Galbraith in the neutral zone. He takes the pass in a single movement that immediately takes the player marking him out of the play. He skates into the Coventry zone where he is confronted by two defencemen with a gap between their sticks about six inches wider than the puck. Galbraith puts the puck through that gap, simultaneously taking Jaegar out of the play, leaving Neilson with an empty net to score into. Watch the DVD. That play was a thing of beauty and I don’t think anyone else in the league could have done it. The little bit of momentum it created helped us to a huge win, clinched with an empty netter set up by Galbraith, and the recovery was under way.
Secondly, just after the final, a friend of mine, together with her husband and nine-year old daughter, were walking outside the arena when who comes the other way but Galbraith, still in his sweat gear, on his way to the Bunkers having been to the Castle. He stopped for a photo with the little girl, which I've seen and which is fantastic. Made her weekend, and her parents too. Hockey’s not just about winning. It’s about stuff like that too.
Players of Galbraith’s undoubted skill come along once in a generation. I’m glad I’ve been able to sit and watch him for three seasons, warts and all. He has shown continuous improvement year on year and I want to watch him some more. I want him back next season.
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Post by darrylolsen on Apr 16, 2011 21:44:58 GMT
There’s been quite a lot of mud slung at our top scorer on this thread. He’s petulant – so was John Craighead. So was Craig Melancon. He’s lazy – so was Mike Jeffrey. He drifts in and out of games – so did PC Drouin. So did Dan Dorion. There are other examples over the years but I can’t think of them right now. The point is that like Galbraith, all of these players were great players, exciting to watch, who should have been playing at a higher level but who, because of who they were, found themselves in the relative backwater in hockey terms that is GB, playing for us. And I’m glad they did. He doesn’t turn up for the big games – over the two legs of the Challenge Cup final, Galbraith scored or assisted on all of our goals. OK, he only got one assist over the play-off weekend, but it was an assist that only he could have produced, at a crucial time in the final. He’s not a team player – Ryan’s comment about the advice he received from Galbraith between periods in the play-off final seems to contradict that. What little I see behind the scenes on match nights suggests Galbraith is very much part of the team, but only the coach and players know the truth in that regard. He can do better/he should be tearing up the league – if he did he wouldn’t be here, but would playing at a higher level somewhere else. Belfast curfew-gate – hockey players have been doing this sort of thing since the game began, from the NHL down. They are young men with a lot of spare time who want to live life, just as I did at that age. It will never be eradicated. Clubs have to manage it. Panthers did that. There are a couple of things from this season that stand out for me with regard to Galbraith. 8 February. Panthers mired in a horrible slump. Two days after a shocking defeat in Newcastle, with seven minutes left at home to Coventry we’re 1-0 down to a short-handed goal. Mr Black’s finger is tightening on the trigger of the gun pointing at Neilson. We don’t need a good game or a good period or a good shift. One good play could make the difference. Van Hoof passes the puck to Galbraith in the neutral zone. He takes the pass in a single movement that immediately takes the player marking him out of the play. He skates into the Coventry zone where he is confronted by two defencemen with a gap between their sticks about six inches wider than the puck. Galbraith puts the puck through that gap, simultaneously taking Jaegar out of the play, leaving Neilson with an empty net to score into. Watch the DVD. That play was a thing of beauty and I don’t think anyone else in the league could have done it. The little bit of momentum it created helped us to a huge win, clinched with an empty netter set up by Galbraith, and the recovery was under way. Secondly, just after the final, a friend of mine, together with her husband and nine-year old daughter, were walking outside the arena when who comes the other way but Galbraith, still in his sweat gear, on his way to the Bunkers having been to the Castle. He stopped for a photo with the little girl, which I've seen and which is fantastic. Made her weekend, and her parents too. Hockey’s not just about winning. It’s about stuff like that too. Players of Galbraith’s undoubted skill come along once in a generation. I’m glad I’ve been able to sit and watch him for three seasons, warts and all. He has shown continuous improvement year on year and I want to watch him some more. I want him back next season. Quite simply spot on! Brilliant post.
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Post by ellyjay on Apr 17, 2011 6:33:33 GMT
Quite the best summing up of this whole thread, brilliant!
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Post by asbo26 on Apr 17, 2011 8:21:31 GMT
Spot on post Stef, He can do better/he should be tearing up the league – if he did he wouldn’t be here, but would playing at a higher level somewhere else. Thats the point most people miss.
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Post by texpef on Apr 17, 2011 9:23:16 GMT
let him prove himself then...
Oh wait....
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Post by Shorty on Apr 17, 2011 9:54:53 GMT
let him prove himself then... Oh wait.... 2008-09 Nottingham Panthers EIHL 52 21 46 67 49 2009-10 Nottingham Panthers EIHL 56 20 57 77 92 2010-11 Nottingham Panthers EIHL 56 28 65 93 89
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Post by Jasper on Apr 17, 2011 10:38:38 GMT
You're preaching to the converted with me Stef. Unfortunately it seems there are many more who would rather see a team of Bruce Richardson's skating their nads off but ultimately producing absolutely nothing. Perhaps it takes all sorts to make a team...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2011 11:12:00 GMT
You're preaching to the converted with me Stef. Unfortunately it seems there are many more who would rather see a team of Bruce Richardson's skating their nads off but ultimately producing absolutely nothing. Perhaps it takes all sorts to make a team... A team of Galbraiths would also produce nothing. As you say, it takes all sorts to make a team, and you need some Richardson-style grit as well (in my opinion).
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Post by richard1969 on Apr 17, 2011 20:18:44 GMT
Everybodys entitled to their opinion about Jade
Those guys on here who still support him I cant knock you for doing that but to be honest I believe you guys care more about whether we wn the League than he does IMO
I remember the day after the Belfast debacle when he sent a message out on twitter
"To all my fans - dont believe the rumours - I'm not leaving - I love Nottingham" or words to that effect
He should have been apologising to all Panthers fans - not re-assuring the Jade fans that he would still be with us
That comment summed him up IMO - he really doesnt understand commitment to the cause IMO
So We will have to disagree - seems pretty evenly split from the poll - I fear he will stay and I fear another very entertaining but inconsistent season from the Panthers with no League coming our way once again if he does stay - but lets see what happens
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Post by Block 10 on Apr 18, 2011 8:38:08 GMT
I think Jade's time is at an end. He scores points regularly, but at others hinders us rather than helps. Effort wise he's cack, he can't skate hard to chase a puck or defend, he just slowly drifts. He doesn't hit hard enough for someone of his size. I believe also that the lines he's played on have helped him this year, I mean look at Clarkie's points. He's an annoying sod too, but whose idea was that, putting them on the same line?
Overall, Jade has to go. Set an example. What an arrogant man.
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Post by pantherfan007 on Apr 18, 2011 12:51:34 GMT
I think a lot of the Galbraith haters would do well to read Stef's post a few times. Then put your keyboards away.
You have to re-sign Neilson after winning two trophies and you have to re-sign Jade after putting up the points he has done. To get rid and try to find someone to replace him would be a much bigger gamble than keeping him.
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